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Richardson... Another gator bust
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He’s a good athlete but not a natural runner. He also has zero instincts when to see the run is over and slide. Or just throw it away and live to see another day. My guy thinks being 6’4 250-260 makes him invincible. The nfl will humble you and break your body having that attitude.
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Post in thread '2023 NFL Combine & Miami Pro Day' https://www.canesinsight.com/threads/2023-nfl-combine-miami-pro-day.183517/post-6471557
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This might be one of the dumbest tweets I've ever seen.
One minute of AR-15 getting "no help" from his WRs?
There were two bad drops.
Everything else was a poorly-thrown-ball or a hard-hit or a well-defensed play.
Poooor, poor AR-15. His receivers never help him...
What a load of bull****.
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Flacco must be getting help when he plays lol
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Shannon Sharpe and Chad Ocho said that all of his passes are 100 mph which makes it harder on the receivers. They said throwing a catchable ball is a real skill for good QB’s.
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Right does anyone remember Peyton first full season with Colts, he was a disaster, By the way I think he was the first pick. Then second went Leaf, with all the trimmings, another major bust. It's a crap shoot.
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Cool. Colts drafted him betting on his development long term, so benching him mid way thru the year after that game is just stupid
Flacco isn’t winning you anything and isn’t gonna be there long term so you should play Richardson if he is bad u draft his replacement or he becomes good enough for you to build around him
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There’s genuinely one bad ball in that clip, the second to last one. Idk what you’re seeing
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I get that it is a crapshoot on whether a guy is good. And it is not about whether a player is a "disaster" in Year 1. Peyton did not have a solid offense behind him in Year 1.
It is the issue of taking a guy who has started THIRTEEN college games (something you can't say about Manning or Leaf) as a Top 5 pick and then acting like he won't be good or develop until his third year in the league. And we don't want to call him a "bust". And we should be "patient".
Leaf was a bust in Year 1 and Year 2 and Year 3 and in life.
Manning was a guy who was picked #1 by a very bad team that got very good as they built around him.
**** AR-15. He is a bust.
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Lol this makes zero sense
1. Yes you draft a player especially a qb and their first 3 years is gonna be them developing
2. He got hurt and the playbook or film is clearly not an issue so idk why u even mentioned that
3. Maybe he is a bust but drafting a player that barely played in college means they believed in his development..GM and coach publicly said development comes with reps and now in his 10th game you bench him? Whether anyone thinks he will be good or not this is a stupid decision
Why would he give back millions, he didnt ask them to draft him, thats just a stupid comment lol and i dont think you’re stupid
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Wasn't even good in college
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You are completely full of ****, you're either a Colts fan or an AR-15 fan eager to delude yourself.
1. I never said this was a bad ball, this was a hard hit. How is the "receiver not doing AR-15 any favors" when he gets hammered by the DB. What, is a receiver supposed to catch the ball every time the ball touches his hands? He was hit hard before he could secure the ball, there should be no blame on the WR for this, simply praise for the DB.
2. This ball should not have been thrown where it was thrown. The WR is almost running backwards towards the goal line, and all the defender has to do is reach out one hand to knock the ball away easily. Where was the open spot? If AR-15 throws deeper, maybe. If AR-15 throws closer to the sideline, maybe. But to throw it in a direct line in close coverage makes it incredibly easier for the DB to do a one-armed swipe. This is not a "bad ball" as much as a poorly placed ball, where AR-15 put it was almost impossible for the WR to catch it without the DB breaking up the pass. Did the WR do something wrong here? How is the WR "not doing AR-15 any favors" here? This is insane.
3. This pass is the only one that I MIGHT POSSIBLY re-think. It's not an easy drop like the two that I identified (the sixth and the eighth passes described below), but it is thrown into double coverage, along the sideline, and from the video, it looks like the ref said that the WR came down with the ball out-of-bounds. Is this the most poorly-thrown ball ever, no. But if a WR can't come down with the ball in-bounds, who bears primary responsibility? The QB, for ball-placement. If AR-15 throws it a foot more to the inside and a foot deeper, it's an easy TD.
4. Sorry, but this is one of those AR-15 "athletic" specials, where he is completely off-balance and throwing the ball with as much power as he can muster. This is like #2 above, why is the WR running backwards with such close coverage. I don't understand where the open area was where AR-15 was trying to throw it. If you are under pressure, put the ball somewhere where ONLY the WR has a shot, don't throw it straight at a guy in close coverage where the DB has an EASY chance to break up the pass. ****, if the DB simply turned his head, he has an easy pick, that ball was thrown flat and would have generated big INT return yardage.
5. Again, we will see a theme here. Yes, the WR was going down the sideline, but you can see him slowing up because AR-15 is almost throwing a back-shoulder comeback pass...when the DB is not deeper than the WR, but is instead between the WR and the QB. If AR-15 throws this ball a yard or two deeper, it's an easy TD.
6. Drop.
7. This is another terribly thrown ball for the situation, in that it is low, but it was also the right idea. There was no DB who could have defended that pass, if only it was a foot or two higher. I guess this is the one that you are saying is the "only bad ball" in the clip. But, honestly, do you think this is a case of "the receiver not doing AR-15 any favors"? And if it's not, if it is an uncatchable ball, why include it?
8. Drop.
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I was happy for the Panthers to stay at 9 in the Draft and take him (obviously he didn't fall) because he's incredibly talented. His feel for the pocket, considering he had so few college starts, was astounding.
I'd have sat him for at least a year and worked on his mechanics. Sadly QBs don't get developed in the NFL anymore, they get thrown to the wolves.
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The two QBs I've had the easiest evaluation / strongest opinion on were Mahomes and Young.
Alas I was dead on with both.
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I’m convinced some of these GMs don’t even watch college football. The guy was a bum in college and he’s a bum in the NFL. Shocker.
This is not even a case of a guy being a raw athlete who can be developed into a good passer. He’s not Lamar Jackson or Jalen Hurts. Those guys were both productive college players who made their respective offenses dynamic and dangerous. Richardson struggled in college. He did nothing to make the UF offense dynamic or dangerous. Sure, once in a while he’d pop a big run but overall they struggled to move the ball and score points with him.
It’s telling that the only QB with a lower career completion percentage than Tebow is this other gator bum.
This is not even a case of a guy being a raw athlete who can be developed into a good passer. He’s not Lamar Jackson or Jalen Hurts. Those guys were both productive college players who made their respective offenses dynamic and dangerous. Richardson struggled in college. He did nothing to make the UF offense dynamic or dangerous. Sure, once in a while he’d pop a big run but overall they struggled to move the ball and score points with him.
It’s telling that the only QB with a lower career completion percentage than Tebow is this other gator bum.
Or high school - obviously a physical specimen, but a 50% passer at that level... He's not quite at the Taylor Mays level of overrated, but he's close.
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I remember you wasn’t big on Young but you liked Richardson more ? I had stroud as the best in the draft, i said I’d rather take Young later but if you needed a qb go ahead and reach for young. I think that situation was more of the issue , it’s a compete dumpster fire and arguably the worst franchise in sports. Btw here’s my post on the draft that year.
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Obviously, I've touched a nerve. Just tell us if you are a Colts fan and/or an AR-15 fan. We need to know why you are digging your heels here.
1. No. No no no no no. Their "first 3 years" is not gonna be "them developing". That is a load of bull****. Yes, we know that teams with "the highest draft picks" tend to be the ones with the worst records. Yes, we know it will take a couple of years for the TEAM to succeed. But a Top 5 drafted QB has to at least be playable by the beginning of Year 2. I'm not talking about the "Green Bay situation", where you have the LUXURY of Favre or Rodgers that allows you to let Rodgers (24th pick) and Love (26th pick) sit for a while. I'm talking about teams with immediate needs who use a Top 5 pick to take a QB and pay him accordingly. You can't wait until Year 4. There are plenty of articles that talk about teams that have a COMPETITIVE ADVANTAGE by being able to spend money on other positions when they have a first-round QB who is cost-controlled during his rookie contract. AR-15 is a disastrous pick by the Colts from every angle.
2. He got hurt. Waaaah waaah. If it was a fluke, that would be one thing. But he had an injury history in college, which the Colts ignored. And you don't get a "redshirt year" to develop due to injury. If he has so little experience (which he does) and he is going to need so much time to develop (which he does, if he even develops), then you need to USE THE INJURY TIME to accelerate the learning process. Which simply didn't happen. Why are you (falsely) claiming that AR-15 doesn't struggle with the playbook or film ("clearly not an issue") when that absolutely was one of his issues at Florida? Why are you in denial?
3. I don't give a **** if the Colts "believed" in AR-15's development. If you think a guy needs time, draft down and hope he is still there. I am not saying that every other first round QB would have succeeded, but there is such an obvious mismatch of "Top 5 pick" and "needs years and years of development, if ever" that the entire front office for the Colts should be fired. And their houses burned to the ground. I don't care wha the Colts "believed", but they were WRONG. Flat-out wrong. You have fallen for the same fallacy that the Colts fell for. Yeah, that ONE LONG PASS that he completed was beautiful, let's ignore all of his other terrible throws and the fact that the Colts lost the game (I'm talking about that play that was on all the highlight reels a few weeks ago).
I'm done with this nonsense. It's just silly. To argue that a guy on a multi-million dollar 5-year contract should get 3 years to "develop" is just a joke. The Colts wanted to buy a winning lottery ticket. And they vastly overpaid for that ticket. And the ticket was a loser.
Facts.
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