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Recruiting under Al Golden

grover said:
LOL at his 2012 Class:

9 Canestime/Canesport/CIS Approved: Duke, Tracy, Jelani Hamilton, McCord, Bush, Raphael Kirby, Flowers, Malcolm Lewis, Isadora,

6 Worthy takes but there were others out there we failed or passed on: Herb Waters, Robert Lockhart, Rayshawn Jenkins, Taylor Gadbois, Gabe Terry, Jean-Louis (never made it)

18 undistinguished development kids: Dwayne Hoilett, Earl Moore, Jacolby Briscoe, Preston Dewey, Gray Crow, D'Mauri Jones, JaWand Blue, Jontavious Carter, Antonio Crawford (I liked him TBH), Vernon Davis, Danny Dillard, Larry Hope, Nate Dortch, Josh Witt, Ladarius Gunter, Jake O'Donnell, Dequan Ivery, David Thompson (never played football)

Every one of his classes were like this. Some super solid guys at the top surrounded by a swarm of question marks and uninspired recruits. Nearly all Golden's development kids washed out.
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Jake O’Donnell was a steal!
 
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grover said:
LOL at his 2012 Class:

9 Canestime/Canesport/CIS Approved: Duke, Tracy, Jelani Hamilton, McCord, Bush, Raphael Kirby, Flowers, Malcolm Lewis, Isadora,

6 Worthy takes but there were others out there we failed or passed on: Herb Waters, Robert Lockhart, Rayshawn Jenkins, Taylor Gadbois, Gabe Terry, Jean-Louis (never made it)

18 undistinguished development kids: Dwayne Hoilett, Earl Moore, Jacolby Briscoe, Preston Dewey, Gray Crow, D'Mauri Jones, JaWand Blue, Jontavious Carter, Antonio Crawford (I liked him TBH), Vernon Davis, Danny Dillard, Larry Hope, Nate Dortch, Josh Witt, Ladarius Gunter, Jake O'Donnell, Dequan Ivery, David Thompson (never played football)

Every one of his classes were like this. Some super solid guys at the top surrounded by a swarm of question marks and uninspired recruits. Nearly all Golden's development kids washed out.
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that is an all star list of guys who should have been playing at FAU

unbelievable
 
I don’t care what anyone says but Manny/Shannon >>>>>>>>>>>> Golden

That dude had absolutely no business at Miami.. he did everything possible to turn Miami into Penn State..

He had a lot to do with the long lasting effect of HS coaches and players saying F Miami, we ain’t going to that joke.. he hurt the coaches that came after him too..

I think Mario is the coach that will finally fix all this.. and it’s about dam time.
 
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I may be wrong here but seems to me like over the last 15 years south Florida’s most loaded recruiting classes was when Golden was here, which makes his failure as a coach and recruiter even worse.
 
Golden did actually build a talented roster at one point. Let’s not get into the conversation of D’OhNo! Please. I try and block that waste of space out of the memory banks.
 
Zbrod95 said:
We can’t talk **** about Reeder. He plays for the LA Rams.
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They were discussing Troy’s brother Colby Reeder. Troy originally signed with Penn St and he was a legit recruit. Colby signed with Delaware and had no business on a Miami recruiting board. That video was the most ridiculous thing I’ve ever seen.
 
Koke said:
Saw this on Twitter about Manny's recruiting, he would tell kids if they didn't sign with Miami he would get fired lol.

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Interesting because if Manny was anything positive he was the off-season champ!

Now player development, game prep, game day play calling, not so much. Lol
 
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aleahy said:
They were discussing Troy’s brother Colby Reeder. Troy originally signed with Penn St and he was a legit recruit. Colby signed with Delaware and had no business on a Miami recruiting board. That video was the most ridiculous thing I’ve ever seen.
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You have to be kidding me. Wow. Delaware
 
Yeah we took a lot of projects under Golden. Seems like a good man but was in over his head and the market played that out. I always got the sense that he was the kind of guy that cooked with instructions from the box. If he had all the stuff the box said, it might look like the picture on the box at the end. But the world doesn’t work that way and he couldn’t adjust. We were very behind tactically, to the lol degree. With Manny, I think it’s the constant little things adding up to big things. With Golden we were lining up in 4th and inches with 2 high safety and 3 men on the ball.

Golden got good recruit rankings if I recall but the classes were giant and the turnover was outrageous and we’d always end up with 4 guys who it was impossible to imagine playing at all being the only option. His problem with offering camp guys was an ego thing. The studs here didn’t know who he was or care and didn’t go to his camp. I was out on Golden early, even when we started 9-0, I didn’t buy any of it. But at the top, we had studs. The team that went 6-7 Kaayas Freshman year was loaded. He should have been fired then.

I’ve always said you can’t blame a coach for the guys they recruit that don’t come. The Dalvin Cool types. It sucks to lose em but at least you tried. The ones that kill are the ones we didn’t recruit. To me, the death of the last 7-8 years was the Lamar Jackson miss. That was a springboard opportunity to launch yourself into relevance at the time and after. He was good enough to overcome incompetence/mediocrity around him. His tape was incredible and he was right ******* there and we needed to go to Cali for Kaaya, who was fine, but it was more about showing that they were geniuses with National pull than watching one of the greatest athletes on the planet and asking “why not just give him the ball every play?”
 
Liberty City El said:
He did a horrendous job in terms of scouting & not making offers to kids who were begging to come to Miami that would then go elsewhere & play great while we would be stuck with kids who had no business being here.

The amount of NFL players locally he missed on was astounding & he constantly recruited players that didn’t fit the system he ran so rather than adjusting the system he tried to force round pegs into square holes & completely wasted the talent of some of the actual good players he did manage to get here, particularly on Defense.

He was also an incredulous recruiter & God awful game-day coach.

The list of players he missed on is a football field’s length long & features names like Amari Cooper, Teddy Bridgewater, Ricardo Louis, Devonta Freeman, Matthew Thomas, Mackensie Alexander, Denver Kirkland, Eddie Jackson, Dalvin Cook, Sony Michel, Isiah McKenzie, Johnnie Dixon, Quinton Flowers, Calvin Ridley, Lamar Jackson, Antonio Callaway & a about a 100 or so others.

Basically, he had no clue wtf he was doing & couldn’t really recruit high caliber players unless they just really really loved Miami & wanted to be here, hence Duke Johnson, Chad Thomas, Mark Walton etc..
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Manny Dias wasn’t the coach for a lot of these players when they were getting recruited. I 100% agree with your point that he missed out on so much NFL talent. But we shouldn’t name players like Chad Thomas Duke Johnson and Devonta freeman, when in reality it wasn’t his job to get those players. These specific players committed before Diaz was even at Miami
 
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PimpCane7 said:
Manny Dias wasn’t the coach for a lot of these players when they were getting recruited. I 100% agree with your point that he missed out on so much NFL talent. But we shouldn’t name players like Chad Thomas Duke Johnson and Devonta freeman, when in reality it wasn’t his job to get those players. These specific players committed before Diaz was even at Miami
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Did you read the first page of this thread?
 
Another point to be made in this thread is that despite the fact that Golden **** the bed so bad at recruiting, he still ended up with a slew of NFL talent. Basically, even if you are a **** up, you can still get talent at Miami
 
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grover said:
LOL at his 2012 Class:

9 Canestime/Canesport/CIS Approved: Duke, Tracy, Jelani Hamilton, McCord, Bush, Raphael Kirby, Flowers, Malcolm Lewis, Isadora,

6 Worthy takes but there were others out there we failed or passed on: Herb Waters, Robert Lockhart, Rayshawn Jenkins, Taylor Gadbois, Gabe Terry, Jean-Louis (never made it)

18 undistinguished development kids: Dwayne Hoilett, Earl Moore, Jacolby Briscoe, Preston Dewey, Gray Crow, D'Mauri Jones, JaWand Blue, Jontavious Carter, Antonio Crawford (I liked him TBH), Vernon Davis, Danny Dillard, Larry Hope, Nate Dortch, Josh Witt, Ladarius Gunter, Jake O'Donnell, Dequan Ivery, David Thompson (never played football)

Every one of his classes were like this. Some super solid guys at the top surrounded by a swarm of question marks and uninspired recruits. Nearly all Golden's development kids washed out.
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Gunter did make the league for a short spell, at least
 
HurricaneKush said:
Yeah we took a lot of projects under Golden. Seems like a good man but was in over his head and the market played that out. I always got the sense that he was the kind of guy that cooked with instructions from the box. If he had all the stuff the box said, it might look like the picture on the box at the end. But the world doesn’t work that way and he couldn’t adjust. We were very behind tactically, to the lol degree. With Manny, I think it’s the constant little things adding up to big things. With Golden we were lining up in 4th and inches with 2 high safety and 3 men on the ball.

Golden got good recruit rankings if I recall but the classes were giant and the turnover was outrageous and we’d always end up with 4 guys who it was impossible to imagine playing at all being the only option. His problem with offering camp guys was an ego thing. The studs here didn’t know who he was or care and didn’t go to his camp. I was out on Golden early, even when we started 9-0, I didn’t buy any of it. But at the top, we had studs. The team that went 6-7 Kaayas Freshman year was loaded. He should have been fired then.

I’ve always said you can’t blame a coach for the guys they recruit that don’t come. The Dalvin Cool types. It sucks to lose em but at least you tried. The ones that kill are the ones we didn’t recruit. To me, the death of the last 7-8 years was the Lamar Jackson miss. That was a springboard opportunity to launch yourself into relevance at the time and after. He was good enough to overcome incompetence/mediocrity around him. His tape was incredible and he was right ******* there and we needed to go to Cali for Kaaya, who was fine, but it was more about showing that they were geniuses with National pull than watching one of the greatest athletes on the planet and asking “why not just give him the ball every play?”
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His 2012 class had what can best be described as ludicrously high turnover. I think a third of the players were gone within one or two years. And Golden always would seem to sign at least one player who never qualified.
 
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