Reclassifications: A Long Term Analysis

[E1k]

I feel like for skill positions like rb,wr,db i dont sweat it much but for qb, oline dline its more risky because of the consistent reps needed in real games plus for a dline the jump from hs to college in the trenches is probably the biggest adjustment

I think blount with a year or two can be a good player for sure he has the traits its on him and the coaches to get the potential out

 

[Da Jumbo Mutombo]

JT Daniels
Quinn Ewers
And some 5 star CB that signed with UNC. I think recently transferred out.

 

[canes00]

UNC kid Tony Grimes now at TA&M

 

[Astcloud11]

Table updated. The fact that he flaked out and bailed before playing a down is probably something we should track. Sign of immaturity.

He didn't flake or show immaturity. He went to ECU to be with his gf and trusted that he can still make it to the league on his own ability. Stupid decision but not immature or running away from anything. He actually had a good year as a True Frosh for ECU. He tried to flip to ECU before signing with Miami, but I wouldn't be surprised if a bag was dropped to keep him cuz the staff thought he was worth it. Looks like he played someone cuz he took the bag, signed with Miami, then portaled out the first chance he got anyways.

 

[JHallCanes]

@lindend didnt want to make an entire thread about asking for this but what about a

Flip Tracker thread

As well?

Could go back to the last two years under Mario if you want.

Scott
Carr
Rudolph
Jackson

Blount flipped the other way (for now)

Last year we had

Fletcher
Acheampong
Horton the DT (I think)
Kinsler
Spencer

Lew went the other way

I’m sure I’m forgetting some

 

[lindend]

And some 5 star CB that signed with UNC. I think recently transferred out.

UNC kid Tony Grimes now at TA&M

Grimes added to the OP.

 

[lindend]

JT Daniels

We offered Daniels, but we ever seriously recruit him? @Rellyrell or @Memnon do you remember?

His CIS thread is pretty sparse

2019 QB JT Daniels receives offer

830574271420207104 video/3/2505201/57e6bebd3bd8140b84c47c44 JT Daniels, Mater Dei, Pro-Style Quarterback 6'1 195lbs Pro-style QB playing for West Coast Powerhouse & #2 ranked team in the Nation (same school that produced Matt Barkley & many others). Apparently, this kid threw for 4,849yds...

www.canesinsight.com

 

[lindend]

@lindend didnt want to make an entire thread about asking for this but what about a

Flip Tracker thread

This is much bigger undertaking. I'll think about it.

 

[wnycanesfan]

Purely opinion from me but depends on the position for reclass and I believe DL isn’t one to do it as especially speaking on Blount case. I wouldn’t really expect him to ply next year unless he’s in college for spring ball he really needs to develop his body more. And he doesn’t seem like the type to want to RS so no matter where he goes he may hit the portal next year and really ruin his development

I would also add their actual age and what their correct class is. For example, Walton reclassified but it was back into his correct grade as he should have been a senior anyways but was held back at some point.

 

[lindend]

I would also add their actual age and what their correct class is. For example, Walton reclassified but it was back into his correct grade as he should have been a senior anyways but was held back at some point.

Excellent points. Added both columns. Problem with the age is this info doesn't seem to be readily available.

 

[lindend]

Walton reclassified but it was back into his correct grade as he should have been a senior anyways but was held back at some point.

Just checked an article, Donnell Harris was behind a grade also.

 

[San Amaro Dr]

Unless they are going to age out of the sport they play, I think you let kids be kids. What is the rush?

 

[lindend]

I rediscovered QB Austin Jackson while looking for Donnell's age. He jumped ahead two classes! Forgot about that recruitment. Gators beat us out but he eventually flipped to Ole Miss.

 

[Scrape into the C Gap]

Davi Belfort (VTech), Ryan Williams (Bama), Lebbeus Overton (A&M), EJ Colson (UCF). Just any reclassifications or guys we recruited?

 

[lindend]

Davi Belfort (VTech), Ryan Williams (Bama), Lebbeus Overton (A&M), EJ Colson (UCF). Just any reclassifications or guys we recruited?

Thread scope was tweaked to just guys we recruited

 

[Gi0logy]

Thread scope was tweaked to just guys we recruited

Yeah was gonna say this could get out of hand real quick if we try to track everyone.

Not overly concerned about the guys that reclassified 3+ years ago, pre NIL era. Still a relevant data point but feel like this is going to become such a common thing moving forward. Whereas before it was pretty rare to see.

 

[lindend]

TJ Capers for Louisville. He’s a Miami HS kid that should have been in this years class but had the knee injury and enrolled a year early if I remember correctly.

Added TJ Capers to the OP.

 

[Bird4um]

The general consensus on CIS is that kids that reclassify often either are busts or don't live up to the hype. However, not a lot of hard evidence. After seeing a post from @Ghandi , @Gi0logy suggested that we create a thread to track this long term and see if the CIS hypothesis can be verified. Please post names of kids that have reclassified and we'll add them to the OP. Also, let me know if we should add any additional data to the table.

It could be that the skill position players can reclassify and live up to expectations while the big uglies need the time to mature. We'll see.

Recruit	Position	Age	Rating before	Rating After	Class	Original Class	NLI	School	Portal	Consensus
Armondo Blount	DT		5*	5*	24
Amaree Williams	DE		4*	?	24
Ryan "Hollywood" Williams	WR		5*	?	24
Davon Mitchell	TE		5*	4*	24
TJ Capers	DE/LB		5*	4*	23		Louisville	Louisville		Reclassified very late in the cycle (July) after an ACL. Much negativity on CIS about him being tweener
Austin Jackson	QB		4*	3*	23	25	Ole Miss	Ole Miss		Apparently old for his class and would've aged out. Had credits to graduate. Reclassified two years! Committed to the Gators then flipped to Ole Miss.
Antoine Jackson	CB		5*	4*	23		Miami	ECU		Very good FR year.
Desmond Ricks	CB		5*		23		Bama	Bama
Donnel Harris	DE		5*	4*	20		A&M	A&M		Disappointing career and medically retired. Was a lot older than HS competition and undersized for college.
Tony Grimes	CB		5*	4*	20	20	UNC	UNC	A&M	Contributed as a FR, started at UNC for a couple of years. Has not lived up to 5* potential. Many on CIS labeled him a bust.
Mark Walton	RB		4*	4*	15	15	Miami	Miami		Very productive college career. Some legal issues in college and serious legal woes after being drafted by the NFL.

Well done. Back it with science!!! I say they all bust

 

[lindend]

Blount may be young, but I either read or heard that he was playing varsity football in 8th grade and he's obviously academically gifted given the 5.x GPA. You'd have to think that he would be a good reclassification candidate.

 

[lindend]

@lindend didnt want to make an entire thread about asking for this but what about a

Flip Tracker thread

As well?

Could go back to the last two years under Mario if you want.

Scott
Carr
Rudolph
Jackson

Blount flipped the other way (for now)

Last year we had

Fletcher
Acheampong
Horton the DT (I think)
Kinsler
Spencer

Lew went the other way

I’m sure I’m forgetting some

I'm warming up to this idea. I was very surprised when I finished tallying up the number of flips (eight) this cycle. Didn't expect that to be such a large percentage of the class.

What do you want to track? Whether or not they end up being impact players?