Butch had far worse to deal with than Al
Yes, everyone here understands that 31 compared to 9 scholarship deductions is worse. What you need to also throw into the equation is the team Butch inherited was also FAR better than the team Golden inherited. Add to that the lack of recruiting done the last year under Shannon, and that 31 vs 9 gap closes significantly. Given that, it still took Butch until his 6th year to win 10 games, understandably so, building a team back up takes a little time.
That 95 team was not that stacked. I'm not sure how it was far better that what Golden got. Better, but not that much better. There were some good players, but lets not act like the 95 team was anything great. Let's also not forget the team Golden inherited was actually pretty good, but it lacked depth. Streeter, Brandon Washington, Forston, Lamar Miller, Vernon were all part of this team. They were not world beaters, but they were all good players in college and only Vernon was suspended 6 games before you say they were all suspended so many games.
Secondly, Butch while under a bigger cloud, went 8-3, 9-3, 5-6, 9-3, 9-4, 11-1 (we should have went to the title game this year). In the process he actually beat good teams and many of the losses were to good teams. Year 1 lost to UCLA, FSU, and VT and beat a ranked Syracuse. Every year of Butch's time was as good or better as Golden's best year except year 1 (we played 1 less game so we could have gotten 9 if we played another) and 3. Also, with actual scholarship reductions (which there is nothing you can do to fix that scenario) as opposed to just negative recruiting (which Al persevered through in recruiting), Butch maintained a respectable record of 9 wins in all of the following years except 1 (you know, the years where the scholarship reductions would have a real effect). So yes, Butch took 6 years to reach 10 wins, but with 31 scholarship reductions, each year he still matched Al's best year with sanctions not even close to what Butch was facing.
I see what the issue is. Your baseline is thinking the 95 and 96 teams were not all that. It's simple, you don't need to be ignorant or guess if they had good players or not. All you have to do is man up, count how many players were drafted in 96 and 97, which would be the players Dennis left, also count the eventual pro bowlers. Report back, let everyone know how many, exactly.
Or you can just come up with a lame excuse as to why you don't have to do anything, blah blah. If that's the case, save your effort, no need to hear them.
Which will it be?
We had this before a couple weeks back where I did research and then you tried to put it on me later without doing any yourself and I called you out for it which must be why you're trying to pull it again. I didn't guess anything douche. I looked at the roster before I posted and I told you that the team had some good players. Having some drafted players don't make a team elite. I also said the team was better than what Al had. You are acting like this team was some kind of all time great team.
We had 10 drafted players in 1996 and 1997. 2 in 1996 (1st rd and 6th rd), 8 in 1997 (3- 1st rd, 1- 4th, 2- 5th, 1-6th, and 1- 7th). So half of that 10 went 5th round or later. I guess that makes us elite.
By your standard, Al's team was not much worse (as I said). The first 2 classes after Al got here had 8 picks (6 in 2012, 2 in 2013). 2012 (2 -3rd, 2- 4th, 2- 6th). 2013 (1- 5ht and 1- 6th). Look at that, half the players also went 5th round or later. Only 2 less total draft picks. The only real difference is there were some 1st rounders for Butch.
Also by your standard. USC for example should have been beyond elite in 2010 and 2011. They had 16 draft picks, but only went 9-4 and 8-5.
See I had no problem with keeping this civil. I didn't have to do more research last time because I already did the research. You avoided the questions and responses I proposed to you after that research, because you're a tool and tried to put all the work on me with new questions, so I called you out. I did the research again for you this time and I'm sure you will come up with another lame excuse for being a lazy *****.
