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R.I.P. JoJo Nicolas

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BALDYCHUTES said:
EDIT: Googled it and it is called an ICC for Interstate Commerce Commission as the feds required them to prevent cars from driving under the back of trucks decapitating passengers.

I might be wrong, but I believe that bar was put there precisely to stop cars from getting sheared off and I believe it is a federal law for all 18-wheelers to have one.

I remember reading about it, but could be wrong.

OBLIVION said:
ScubaCane said:
PUNCICANE said:
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WOW!

Prayers are with him and his family!
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****, didn't that semi have the bar which is supposed to prevent this type of accident
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That bar is called an ICC bumper, and no. It isn't meant to stop cars from running up underneath it. When they are traveling at a high rate of speed.

The purpose of an ICC bumper is to stop the trailer from moving from a loading dock. Some places have a claw that is engaged from the inside of the dock. When the loading ramp is lowered. That grasp onto the bumper. This is to stop movement of the trailer when a forklift goes onto it.
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I get that the Federal D.O.T states that is the reasoning for the ICC bumper, but as i said. That bumper is not intended to stop a vehicle that is traveling at a higher rate of speed from going up under it. It is made from thin metal tubing. That is lucking if it is a quarter inch thick, and it is welded to the bottom of the trailers frame. Not very structurally sound.

It is good for many things.

Like stopping recap tires from slinging back at your car.

A step to get into the trailer.

Being used at loading docks to prevent forklift drivers from being seriously hurt from trailer movement.

Yet stopping anything traveling fast from going up under it. Isn't one of the things that it is good at.

I have been around the trucking industry for 38 years, and can tell you. That the D.O.T is full of **** in making the general public believe that the ICC bumper is intended to stop cars from going up under it.
 
FMVSS 224

Rear Impact Protection

This Standard applies to trailers and semitrailers with a GVWR of 10,000 lbs. (4,536 kg) or more. It requires those new trailers and semitrailers be equipped with a rear-impact guard conforming to FMVSS 223. It also specifies that the guard is mounted on the trailer or semitrailer in accordance with the instructions of the guard manufacturer.

Applicability:



Classification Applies
Trucks & MPVs 10,000 GVWR or Less No
Trucks More than 10,000 GVWR No
Buses 10,000 GVWR or Less No
Buses More than 10,000 GVWR No
Trailers Yes

Read the Complete Standard
 
Hang in there Jojo. Once a Cane, always a Cane. Far too many have gone before their time.
 
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Cam on twitter is saying that Jojo's mother has said he has not yet passed away. not sure about the other reports, but I hope his mothers comments are what is really true right now
 
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My dad is a driver for that company. I'm 99% sure he doesn't run to Miami anymore but I'm sure he knows the guys who do.
 
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OBLIVION said:
BALDYCHUTES said:
EDIT: Googled it and it is called an ICC for Interstate Commerce Commission as the feds required them to prevent cars from driving under the back of trucks decapitating passengers.

I might be wrong, but I believe that bar was put there precisely to stop cars from getting sheared off and I believe it is a federal law for all 18-wheelers to have one.

I remember reading about it, but could be wrong.

OBLIVION said:
ScubaCane said:
PUNCICANE said:
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WOW!

Prayers are with him and his family!
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****, didn't that semi have the bar which is supposed to prevent this type of accident
Click to expand...

That bar is called an ICC bumper, and no. It isn't meant to stop cars from running up underneath it. When they are traveling at a high rate of speed.

The purpose of an ICC bumper is to stop the trailer from moving from a loading dock. Some places have a claw that is engaged from the inside of the dock. When the loading ramp is lowered. That grasp onto the bumper. This is to stop movement of the trailer when a forklift goes onto it.
Click to expand...
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I get that the Federal D.O.T states that is the reasoning for the ICC bumper, but as i said. That bumper is not intended to stop a vehicle that is traveling at a higher rate of speed from going up under it. It is made from thin metal tubing. That is lucking if it is a quarter inch thick, and it is welded to the bottom of the trailers frame. Not very structurally sound.

It is good for many things.

Like stopping recap tires from slinging back at your car.

A step to get into the trailer.

Being used at loading docks to prevent forklift drivers from being seriously hurt from trailer movement.

Yet stopping anything traveling fast from going up under it. Isn't one of the things that it is good at.

I have been around the trucking industry for 38 years, and can tell you. That the D.O.T is full of **** in making the general public believe that the ICC bumper is intended to stop cars from going up under it.
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I'm addressing, specifically, what you wrote about the PURPOSE of an ICC bar in your original post.

You dismissed the notion that the ICC bar was supposed to stop under rides and posited, The purpose of an ICC bumper is to stop the trailer from moving from a loading dock."

I disagree. The first, primary and main purpose of the ICC is to stop under ride accidents. That is why they were mandated and installed. Sure, the industry adapted/modified them to enhance loading dock safety and to prevent the type of accidents you mention, but the primary purpose for which they were adopted, over vehement industry objection, was to stop under rides. Period. The point cannot be argued, just read the regulations.

As for your assertion that "the D.O.T is full of **** in making the general public believe that the ICC bumper is intended to stop cars from going up under it," you conclude that because ICC bars are ineffective at stopping under rides (you are correct), that stopping under rides could not have been the intent of the law. Actually, that is exactly what was intended, and yes, in the case of high speed impacts, it has been an epic failure. In other words, the fact that ICC bars are not "good at" their intended purpose does not change their intended purpose.

That is all.
 
RyanCane26 said:
My dad is a driver for that company.

I'm 99% sure he doesn't run to Miami anymore but I'm sure he knows the guys who do.
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Ok.. I thought someone was trying to get a bounty on the dudes family or something. (don't know his name)
 
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I came across JoJo's instagram account and seeing all of the photos of his baby makes this situation all the more gut-wrenching. Prayers to him and his family.
 
Is this really the place to argue the merits/intentions of an ICC bar? One of our Canes fam has likely left this life, and if he hasn't...he's in a LOT of pain and has a long road to try to recover...if he does at all.

Call me crazy, but I think the focus needs to be on that.
 
Enough with the **** ICC bar guys. Show some respect to the man. (Edit:beat by 2 mins)

Hang in there JoJo!
 
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