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Brains said:
@No_Fly_Zone Motion For Redshirt nunc pro tunc?
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If I'm the judge it'd be motion denied. That's a slippery slope I would never want opened. If you can sue over a coach's decision not to RS you, what's next?

You a WR and coach calls "too many" running plays? That's a lawsuit.
A RB, but coach calls "too many" passes? That's a lawsuit.
You think you're better than the guy ahead of you on the depth chart? That's a lawsuit.
Coach should take a knee for the win, but asks you to run the ball resulting in a fumble and hurting your stats? That's a lawsuit.
 
No_Fly_Zone said:
If I'm the judge it'd be motion denied. That's a slippery slope I would never want opened. If you can sue over a coach's decision not to RS you, what's next?

You a WR and coach calls "too many" running plays? That's a lawsuit.
A RB, but coach calls "too many" passes? That's a lawsuit.
You think you're better than the guy ahead of you on the depth chart? That's a lawsuit.
Coach should take a knee for the win, but asks you to run the ball resulting in a fumble and hurting your stats? That's a lawsuit.
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It's not a lawsuit about the coaching decisions. It's a lawsuit about the arbitrary NCAA rule 4 games for a redshirt to still apply.

Once the NCAA gave 1 free year to transfer, them limiting the 2nd transfer was arbitrary and is being challenged and a restraint on players choice.

Here Tau would make that same argue that once the NCAA made it a blanket rule that it would grant redshirts while playing, it was arbitrarily set at 4 games. Why? Tau played lest than 2 snaps in 2 of the games. Some players could start and play 4 full games and still get a redshirt while Tau playing very meaningless football loses a full year.

Add in stupid **** like McCormick playing 8 plus years in many more games in those seasons that Tau did that 5 game year is a joke. All these medical redshirts over 6 years is just more evidence of the NCAA's arbitrary ways.

It's all about the NCAA limiting people playing based on an arbitrary rule that limits eligibility without a valid reason. It's all about violations of antitrust laws like the Sherman Act.

The NCAA is on a major losing streak, this argument is enough to get past the initial phase of the lawsuit and into an injunction against the rule that would severely impact Tau's right to play that would cover his 1 year here
 
wnycanesfan said:
Crazier things have happened but you would think he wouldn't enter the portal without having a pretty good idea the waiver will be granted. Otherwise he would be better served trying to get into one of the showcase games/preparing for the draft.
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Still crazy to believe that Saban actually "burned" his red shirt basically FOR NOTHING:

-BAMA Vs Duke 2019 opener. Tua entered the game ... no stats. Took a knee??
-Miss. State - Handed the ball off to run out the clock.

THEN ... games he actually "plays" in:
-So. Miss was 1-1 ... one pass play.
-Arkansas was 6-8 ... biggest game of the season
-West Carolina was 2-3.

Saban owes that kid an assist with the NCAA.
 
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thegrimreefer said:
Just not good planning or projecting at all from Mario, and guys who say “wait and see what happens” will be sorely disappointed I’m sure. When Ward is off the table (which he left long ago to have Mario still sitting there) and Taulia fizzles out, whats the rest of the board look like? Was there even a board? The famous “1 and1” strategy netted zero, now we are hoping that someone will take our chump change to play QB. 24 season shaping up to be rough no matter who starts at QB if this is all going “according to plan”
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I agree.

The only piece to this is, it’s foolish to only have 3 scholarship QBs on the roster. You’ve gotta have 4

Yes I know it’s harder in this transfer portal age, but even if we dont land Ward or Baby Tua, we 100% need to bring in another guy, considering Emory isn’t healthy and Judd is a project
 
Rickd said:
Still crazy to believe that Saban actually "burned" his red shirt basically FOR NOTHING:

-BAMA Vs Duke 2019 opener. Tua entered the game ... no stats. Took a knee??
-Miss. State - Handed the ball off to run out the clock.

THEN ... games he actually "plays" in:
-So. Miss was 1-1 ... one pass play.
-Arkansas was 6-8 ... biggest game of the season
-West Carolina was 2-3.

Saban owes that kid an assist with the NCAA.
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would be unprecedented for the NCAA to approve

just not sure how they could / would do it
 
407cane said:
would be unprecedented for the NCAA to approve

just not sure how they could / would do it
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Would be surprised if NCAA fails to grant waiver. This is a new and kinder NCAA. They’re not looking for fights. And sounds like Saban is supportive of the waiver.
 
Ispyin said:
Okay dude. Whatever. NFL drooling over him. You’re right.
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We just need someone who can execute the offense at a high level and not turn the ball over.

There are a lot of QBs who could fit the bill and it's more important to find the right guy than get someone with a big name. Mario thinks Ward is the right guy, but logic would suggest there are a handful of QBs (if not more) who could run the offense effectively.
 
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bacane said:
Would be surprised if NCAA fails to grant waiver. This is a new and kinder NCAA. They’re not looking for fights. And sounds like Saban is supportive of the waiver.
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waivers to not sit when transferring and medical waivers one thing, waivers just based on a player wanting to play more games is another

I'm looking now, but would be shocked if this situation has ever been approved or ever will be, would unleash the flood gates

this thread gives insight

 
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AirCane said:
It's not a lawsuit about the coaching decisions. It's a lawsuit about the arbitrary NCAA rule 4 games for a redshirt to still apply.

Once the NCAA gave 1 free year to transfer, them limiting the 2nd transfer was arbitrary and is being challenged and a restraint on players choice.

Here Tau would make that same argue that once the NCAA made it a blanket rule that it would grant redshirts while playing, it was arbitrarily set at 4 games. Why? Tau played lest than 2 snaps in 2 of the games. Some players could start and play 4 full games and still get a redshirt while Tau playing very meaningless football loses a full year.

Add in stupid **** like McCormick playing 8 plus years in many more games in those seasons that Tau did that 5 game year is a joke. All these medical redshirts over 6 years is just more evidence of the NCAA's arbitrary ways.

It's all about the NCAA limiting people playing based on an arbitrary rule that limits eligibility without a valid reason. It's all about violations of antitrust laws like the Sherman Act.

The NCAA is on a major losing streak, this argument is enough to get past the initial phase of the lawsuit and into an injunction against the rule that would severely impact Tau's right to play that would cover his 1 year here
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So you're suing the NCAA on a dec action? That's how I'd approach it due to the "arbitrary rule" argument, but this is a pretty difficult challenge. He's not really in privity with the NCAA, and, unlike a government, due process isn't a consideration here. What you might argue, is that, functionally, the NCAA is like a government agency, and ask the court as to a determination of rights on both an ambiguity and substantive due process argument. Weak, but I want it to work out in our favor, regardless.
 
AirCane said:
It's not a lawsuit about the coaching decisions. It's a lawsuit about the arbitrary NCAA rule 4 games for a redshirt to still apply.

Once the NCAA gave 1 free year to transfer, them limiting the 2nd transfer was arbitrary and is being challenged and a restraint on players choice.

Here Tau would make that same argue that once the NCAA made it a blanket rule that it would grant redshirts while playing, it was arbitrarily set at 4 games. Why? Tau played lest than 2 snaps in 2 of the games. Some players could start and play 4 full games and still get a redshirt while Tau playing very meaningless football loses a full year.

Add in stupid **** like McCormick playing 8 plus years in many more games in those seasons that Tau did that 5 game year is a joke. All these medical redshirts over 6 years is just more evidence of the NCAA's arbitrary ways.

It's all about the NCAA limiting people playing based on an arbitrary rule that limits eligibility without a valid reason. It's all about violations of antitrust laws like the Sherman Act.

The NCAA is on a major losing streak, this argument is enough to get past the initial phase of the lawsuit and into an injunction against the rule that would severely impact Tau's right to play that would cover his 1 year here
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If you go back and read the discussion history, it was typed, "It was a coach at a school who should have known better." That's a coaching decision. That's what I was responding to.

Now you'd like to argue that 4 games is arbitrary for a RS... different argument/premise, but ok, let's discuss it.

Putting aside the comparison to the transfer rule (which is a poor comparison because the RS does not limit a player's ability to transfer, but merely limits their overall eligibility), let's take your position to it's logical extreme... why have any limit to eligibility other than enrollment and "so-called" "amateurism"? At the end of Year 4, let's pay Bain $10 MM/year over 3 years to stick around and get a couple master's degrees. Maybe by then we have a few more rich benefactors and can pay Bain $20 MM/year over 4 years to get his PhD. And play football for UM, of course.

Outlandish? Ok. What's an NFL punter make? Let's get Lou back here at $500K/year and not have to recruit a punter for a decade (had he not already gone pro). What about all of the position players with minimal NFL prospects that could be kept around indefinitely to fill in a roster and provide (grown man) depth?

It would be the end of college football.

On the other hand, if you acknowledge that there is some number of games that would not be arbitrary and destroy the RS, then you eventually run up against a coach's decision to play/not play a player when challenging the application of the rule for a waiver. If that's the argument being made by the NCAA, then to protect eligibility I'd say, "fine. **** it. Playing in even 1 game in a season makes your ineligible to take a RS that season." Or maybe just "no more RS year, everyone gets 4 years to play 4." I suspect such an eligibility rule would do more harm than good to the majority of college football players, but be much easier for the NCAA to defend.

Be careful what you wish for.
 
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Maybe 60 or 75 games max. Thats a total of 15 games a year since playoff format changing. And a potential graduate year transfer. Anything past 75 games is extremely excessive for collegiate football. Shouldnt be having 28 29 year old men playing college football unless they have an exorbitant situation like military service or religious reason.
 
jakobbee said:
Maybe 60 or 75 games max. Thats a total of 15 games a year since playoff format changing. And a potential graduate year transfer. Anything past 75 games is extremely excessive for collegiate football. Shouldnt be having 28 29 year old men playing college football unless they have an exorbitant situation like military service or religious reason.
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This leads to Bama, texas, A&M, etc coming up with 10s of millions to have a qb play 8 games a season for 8 or 9 years and sit the gimme games.

Which would be hilarious, imo
 
TwentySix said:
This leads to Bama, texas, A&M, etc coming up with 10s of millions to have a qb play 8 games a season for 8 or 9 years and sit the gimme games.

Which would be hilarious, imo
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True would have to have some way to limit that. But 8 years like McCormick is ridiculous
 
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Rickd said:
Still crazy to believe that Saban actually "burned" his red shirt basically FOR NOTHING:

-BAMA Vs Duke 2019 opener. Tua entered the game ... no stats. Took a knee??
-Miss. State - Handed the ball off to run out the clock.

THEN ... games he actually "plays" in:
-So. Miss was 1-1 ... one pass play.
-Arkansas was 6-8 ... biggest game of the season
-West Carolina was 2-3.

Saban owes that kid an assist with the NCAA.
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we burned a redshirt with randy with I believe Lamar Miller? or someone else over snaps in the final game of the year against USF
 
All of the digital ink being spilled about how a waiver for Taulia would "end college football" is ridiculous.

Sixth-year players who haven't had a medical redshirt are hardly rare- the 2020 COVID year freebie guaranteed that. Taulia is in the weird situation where his redshirt year happens to coincide with everyone else's mulligan received for a once-in-a-century pandemic. So it wouldn't take a rewriting of the laws of the universe to allow that accommodation a wee bit of flexibility.
 
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