Protecting the OT's

[tdubs_truckernutz]

I noticed something while rewatching the game.

Every time that Franks made a successful throw to a WR, his TE (#84) stayed back to block. This was the case for both PI calls and the long pass to Swain. Every other time, Franks either:

- got hit
- threw a quick pass to his backs
- rushed an incomplete
- threw an INT

This excludes the play where the officials blew a false start call and our DL stood around and watched him pitch and catch to Hammond.

The Gators knew they had OL issues and schemed accordingly. They were limited but did just enough to win.

Meanwhile, I only saw two plays where Miami helped its OTs. In the first half, Brevin chipped the **** out of the RDE and allowed Jarren to step up in that direction and deliver a third and long dart to Jeff Thomas. The other time, in the fourth quarter, Brevin stayed back and allowed Jarren to hit Osborn for a first down. It’s surprising we didn’t see this more often.

Another way we could’ve helped our OTs was by running the ball. Both guys are more comfortable run blocking (watch Campbell on Deejay’s two Wildcat runs) and the team was running effectively. When you exclude Jarren, the team ran for 131 yards on 22 carries. They were really getting going late on the Cam run that got called back and another Cam run where Gaynor pancaked the DT. It seemed we were about to break through before pass protection and penalties put us behind the sticks.

I came away from the rewatch more encouraged with Zion than Campbell, although they were both terrible. Zion’s problem is that he is the last OL off the snap. That’s not a physical thing (he’s the twitchiest guy on the line) and it usually gets better with experience. Tyree St. Louis is an example of a guy who used to really struggled off the snap as a young player. But for the time being, it is a huge problem. I would give Scaife increased snaps during the bye week as an insurance policy for both guys.

Go back and watch on espn sky zone. This is a must. The above qb was helped a lot more than twice. The regular broadcast is a totally different game; much more entertaining but misses a lot of what is actually happening on the field. Agree Zion was better the second time around, Campbell was awful, and Williams took coverage sacks. Delayed blitzes worked

 

[CaneOil]

I noticed something while rewatching the game.

Every time that Franks made a successful throw to a WR, his TE (#84) stayed back to block. This was the case for both PI calls and the long pass to Swain. Every other time, Franks either:

- got hit
- threw a quick pass to his backs
- rushed an incomplete
- threw an INT

This excludes the play where the officials blew a false start call and our DL stood around and watched him pitch and catch to Hammond.

The Gators knew they had OL issues and schemed accordingly. They were limited but did just enough to win.

Meanwhile, I only saw two plays where Miami helped its OTs. In the first half, Brevin chipped the **** out of the RDE and allowed Jarren to step up in that direction and deliver a third and long dart to Jeff Thomas. The other time, in the fourth quarter, Brevin stayed back and allowed Jarren to hit Osborn for a first down. It’s surprising we didn’t see this more often.

Another way we could’ve helped our OTs was by running the ball. Both guys are more comfortable run blocking (watch Campbell on Deejay’s two Wildcat runs) and the team was running effectively. When you exclude Jarren, the team ran for 131 yards on 22 carries. They were really getting going late on the Cam run that got called back and another Cam run where Gaynor pancaked the DT. It seemed we were about to break through before pass protection and penalties put us behind the sticks.

I came away from the rewatch more encouraged with Zion than Campbell, although they were both terrible. Zion’s problem is that he is the last OL off the snap. That’s not a physical thing (he’s the twitchiest guy on the line) and it usually gets better with experience. Tyree St. Louis is an example of a guy who used to really struggled off the snap as a young player. But for the time being, it is a huge problem. I would give Scaife increased snaps during the bye week as an insurance policy for both guys.

Yup I said it in another thread they didn't make any adjustments at halftime, that's all on the coaches.

 

[ssvir]

What’s a “dolt”..

See post 11

 

[305to954]

See post 11

Can u possibly just give me the full definition..I’m not a overachiever

 

[954cane]

This is what I was yelling from the stands all night. It was very basic and common sense. After first drive I actually thought Enos would have a clue. Enos overall grade was clearly a F

 

[rayray]

sorry dmoney but i don't buy the idea that we only helped jarren twice all night. on the little dump off pass to cam harris where he trucked the UF LB he first nearly decapitated an edge rusher helping campbell out. you can see it clearly here... just one instance off the top of my head.

enos didn't call a perfect game. he also schemed us into most of the points we did get including the wildcat runs. on the first pass that brevin caught in the game he was one broken tackle away from taking it to the house... on the sky cam feed you can see our sideline celebrating before the tackle because they expect him to break it and score. it's hard to come back in the fourth quarter of a game when you can't drop back to pass and block with your linemen. last night left me feeling pretty confident that we have the combo of talent and coaching to shred most of the teams on our schedule provided our line can get to the point of being able to... pass block.

 

[filmcane]

I noticed something while rewatching the game.

Every time that Franks made a successful throw to a WR, his TE (#84) stayed back to block. This was the case for both PI calls and the long pass to Hammond. Every other time, Franks either:

- got hit
- threw a quick pass to his backs
- rushed an incomplete
- threw an INT

This excludes the play where the officials blew a false start call and our DL stood around and watched him pitch and catch to Hammond.

The Gators knew they had OL issues and schemed accordingly. They were limited but did just enough to win.

Meanwhile, I only saw two plays where our TEs helped the OTs. In the first half, Brevin chipped the **** out of the RDE and allowed Jarren to step up in that direction and deliver a third and long dart to Jeff Thomas. The other time, in the fourth quarter, Brevin stayed back and allowed Jarren to hit Osborn for a first down. It’s surprising we didn’t see this more often.

Another way we could’ve helped our OTs was by running the ball. Both guys are more comfortable run blocking (watch Campbell on Deejay’s two Wildcat runs) and the team was running effectively. When you exclude Jarren, the team ran for 131 yards on 22 carries. They were really getting going late on the Cam run that got called back and another Cam run where Gaynor pancaked the DT. It seemed we were about to break through before pass protection and penalties put us behind the sticks.

I came away from the rewatch more encouraged with Zion than Campbell, although they were both terrible. Zion’s problem is that he is the last OL off the snap. That’s not a physical thing (he’s the twitchiest guy on the line) and it usually gets better with experience. Tyree St. Louis is an example of a guy who used to really struggled off the snap as a young player. But for the time being, it is a huge problem. I would give Scaife increased snaps during the bye week as an insurance policy for both guys.

Excellent analysis! I truly hope they make those adjustments moving forward. I think Zion is a long term solution at LT, but not sure about Campbell.

 

[k9cane]

I do wonder if we'll see more max protect in the upcoming weeks. But regardless, gotta see William's to get rid of the ball earlier on certain plays. Sometimes an incomplete pass isnt the worst play

 

[252cane]

Mallory can't block for shît. Enos needs to scrap everything that involves mallory having to block inline or in the backfield. Mallory should be used primarily in the slot.

 

[The Franchise]

I'm not absolving Enos of critique but there's also a point where scheming is irrelevant if the NFL's own Butch Barry couldn't patch together his group to play at anything near even a mediocre level.

And I only really make the snide remark about Barry's "pedigree" because it seems like everyone is piling on Enos' inability to mask an entire o-line.

They have a week off before UNC and then 5 straight home games. Hopefully by Game 7 we're seeing that both Enos and Barry just needed live game action and more time to improve the offense and get the o-line to begin to gel. Hopefully.

This.

And if Brevin is a 6th OL on pass downs he probably doesn’t make that TD catch or any of the others that helped us score the few points we did.

 

[cowboycane]

What's wrong with you people? Like Joe Shmoe on a message board is better than a premierly paid OC. Let's wait a bit. It's literally ONE GAME at this point. Let's see what the man has.

Looked like a Richt offense in our big rivalry game with the whole world watching.

 

[The Franchise]

Mallory can't block for shît. Enos needs to scrap everything that involves mallory having to block inline or in the backfield. Mallory should be used primarily in the slot.

Yep. Mallory is basically a giant WR. Asking him to block DEs like we saw yesterday is useless.

 

[A1cane]

Yep. Mallory is basically a giant WR. Asking him to block DEs like we saw yesterday is useless.

Essentially he is david njoku(which he was recruited to replace) now we just have to see the production

 

[TheRichtShow]

That's a Gator team that probably ends the year 8-4 at best. If Enos needs weaker comp to put up points, might as well give him back to Saban now and save us all some trouble.

It's also a Gator team with a great defense. They shut down almost every offense last year and will again this year.

But yeah, let's fire the OC for not putting up huge numbers in Game 1 with a 1st time starting QB vs that defense.

 

[dukebeeasy305]

I think one of the issues is that Brevin was our top receiving threat.

It’s difficult to leave him into block when he provides the best mismatch.

As for Mallory, he seemed to struggle overall.

Chip and release.. especially since he has the ability to run after catch In the short passing game

 

[TheRichtShow]

Chip and release.. especially since he has the ability to run after catch In the short passing game

That wouldn't have helped at all vs UF. You needed guys to stay in and block, not just chip. Maybe vs lesser defenses that could be an option

 

[NorthEastCane]

NOPE been there done that with whipple nix coley richt NOPE NOPE NOPE

When you see fans on a message board spotting things that uber simple and see no adjustment, something IS WRONG.

Things like:

well zion nelson has given up 6 sacks, better not try anyone else!
well zion nelson and campbell are having trouble blocking anything in front of them.. let's call some PLAY ACTION BABY!! Forget some dig routes, some RPO's, some... anything you'd see in a spread offense. NOPE

Where's the tempo at to get these guys confident and moving when you can't even break the **** HUDDLE WITH MORE THAN 7 SECONDS ON THE CLOCK?

I'm not giving up on enos yet but you guys should have your eyes checked if you're not a little bit concerned. That man enos got fcking DESTROYED in the 2nd half by grantham's defensive adjustments. We had THIRTY FOUR YARDS of total offense in the second half I read somewhere.

Even worse than enos is a guy i'm not seeing mentioned ANYWHERE and that's butch barry. Remember when searles had to luck into the correct starting line up? I'm thinking barry might be on that same plane of thought. This dude should have NEVER EVER had a TF as the starting LT. No reason none whatsoever that scaife shouldn't have been on one of the tackle spots.

Maybe after the 19th sack by both the tackles MAYBE you try moving some pieces around? Enos wasn't helping with the play calling whatsoever, you telling me irvin couldn't get out there and chip him?

He promised us jt4 would touch the ball a lot more, DIDN'T HAPPEN
How many reps did hightower and a lot of other wide outs even get?

Way way wayyy too many mistakes but go ahead board tell me i'm in full meltdown mode and everythings gonna be okay..

There's more at play here than just Enos. It's not one thing but there's a lot of moving parts working against us.

As far as breaking from the huddle, I saw the same thing. As the game progressed, substitution packages and plays were consistently getting into the huddle later. Are the GA's working the sidelines new? They looked unrehearsed. I thought that was the point of scrimmage #3 was to work those kinks out. That limits the time Williams has to check the Defense. It eliminate motion. It shifts the advantage of the snap count to the defense. They know you have to snap. Also, the DE is looking down the line watching the snap. The OL is facing the DE and going on first move since at that point he probably can't hear the snap count.

This doesn't absolve Nelson, but blackvern had a post when he view the game from the overhead cam and said half of Nelson's sacks the DE anticipated the snap count. Somebody had to throw him a life preserver with the game on the line.

 

[CaneDog66]

I noticed something while rewatching the game.

Every time that Franks made a successful throw to a WR, his TE (#84) stayed back to block. This was the case for both PI calls and the long pass to Hammond. Every other time, Franks either:

- got hit
- threw a quick pass to his backs
- rushed an incomplete
- threw an INT

This excludes the play where the officials blew a false start call and our DL stood around and watched him pitch and catch to Hammond.

The Gators knew they had OL issues and schemed accordingly. They were limited but did just enough to win.

Meanwhile, I only saw two plays where our TEs helped the OTs. In the first half, Brevin chipped the **** out of the RDE and allowed Jarren to step up in that direction and deliver a third and long dart to Jeff Thomas. The other time, in the fourth quarter, Brevin stayed back and allowed Jarren to hit Osborn for a first down. It’s surprising we didn’t see this more often.

Another way we could’ve helped our OTs was by running the ball. Both guys are more comfortable run blocking (watch Campbell on Deejay’s two Wildcat runs) and the team was running effectively. When you exclude Jarren, the team ran for 131 yards on 22 carries. They were really getting going late on the Cam run that got called back and another Cam run where Gaynor pancaked the DT. It seemed we were about to break through before pass protection and penalties put us behind the sticks.

I came away from the rewatch more encouraged with Zion than Campbell, although they were both terrible. Zion’s problem is that he is the last OL off the snap. That’s not a physical thing (he’s the twitchiest guy on the line) and it usually gets better with experience. Tyree St. Louis is an example of a guy who really struggled off the snap as a young player. But for the time being, it is a huge problem. I would give Scaife increased snaps during the bye week as an insurance policy for both guys.

D well put mate, that’s exactly my thoughts as well. If you know Zion is struggling with protection why didn’t we have both Mallory and Brevin in the same play, with one either fully helping Zion or chipping before going out? It made absolutely no sense to me at all. That nor the long developing plays. Why didn’t we attempt quick slants or more RB/TE screens, especially with Florida blitzing as much as they did. If we had we would’ve won that game easily. Hopefully Enos takes a long look at the film coupled with his play calling, reboots this week and in preparation for our upcoming game against UNC.

 

[jw410]

I noticed something while rewatching the game.

Every time that Franks made a successful throw to a WR, his TE (#84) stayed back to block. This was the case for both PI calls and the long pass to Hammond. Every other time, Franks either:

- got hit
- threw a quick pass to his backs
- rushed an incomplete
- threw an INT

This excludes the play where the officials blew a false start call and our DL stood around and watched him pitch and catch to Hammond.

The Gators knew they had OL issues and schemed accordingly. They were limited but did just enough to win.

Meanwhile, I only saw two plays where our TEs helped the OTs. In the first half, Brevin chipped the **** out of the RDE and allowed Jarren to step up in that direction and deliver a third and long dart to Jeff Thomas. The other time, in the fourth quarter, Brevin stayed back and allowed Jarren to hit Osborn for a first down. It’s surprising we didn’t see this more often.

Another way we could’ve helped our OTs was by running the ball. Both guys are more comfortable run blocking (watch Campbell on Deejay’s two Wildcat runs) and the team was running effectively. When you exclude Jarren, the team ran for 131 yards on 22 carries. They were really getting going late on the Cam run that got called back and another Cam run where Gaynor pancaked the DT. It seemed we were about to break through before pass protection and penalties put us behind the sticks.

I came away from the rewatch more encouraged with Zion than Campbell, although they were both terrible. Zion’s problem is that he is the last OL off the snap. That’s not a physical thing (he’s the twitchiest guy on the line) and it usually gets better with experience. Tyree St. Louis is an example of a guy who really struggled off the snap as a young player. But for the time being, it is a huge problem. I would give Scaife increased snaps during the bye week as an insurance policy for both guys.

In the first half, Brevin chipped the **** out of the RDE and allowed Jarren

This part Brevin knocked Greenard around good

 

[Umfuture]

The Gators did not have the almost constant leakage on pass protection. While the TEs could have helped on the blocking we needed 3 TEs to stop that jail break rush on every passing down. We just need better production for the O-line.