Podcast - 2017 class thoughts with DMoney

[doohcane]

I agree with D-Money's assessment on FSU's potential downfall/decay. This is what happened to us in the early 2000's. Complacency starts to creep in and a lot of **** has been going on in Tally with their players. Florida players are a different breed, and starting to take your recruiting to a national level is what Coker started doing. Stay in Florida, keep it simple to a point. Sprinkle the class with national players.

I mentioned this in the Marvin Wilson thread. That 03 class (I think) with JB, Ryan Anderson, two out of state RBs was awful.

 

[Grisha.Otrepyev]

First example used for this was Shockey. I laughed a little.

He wasn't used as an example of a South Florida guy. He was an example of a lower-profile recruit who helped us beat FSU. Competing against Florida guys like Dan Morgan and Jon Vilma helped make him the competitor he became.

This staff is focused on Florida and South Florida but will pluck big-time talent from elsewhere. The ratios in this class were perfect. The school to the North is losing its way, and history says they are preparing for a fall.

If you fail to learn history (Canes recruiting post-2003/4) you are doomed to repeat it. As you touched on it, FSU's been straying away from the norm of what made them so successful.

It's a Trend worth following but maybe a correlation doesn't equal causation analysis (seeing what you want to believe) It's not like FsU didn't try to recruit more Florida players. Lost Cowan and Wright to Bama, Jennings was originally an FSU commit. Guys like Leatherwood and Jeudy weren't interested. Etc.

Jalen Ramsey was a Tensssee kid that never watched an FSU Miami game as a kid, but still dominated in one. So the passion argument is debatable too.

 

[caneambassador]

I agree with D-Money's assessment on FSU's potential downfall/decay. This is what happened to us in the early 2000's. Complacency starts to creep in and a lot of **** has been going on in Tally with their players. Florida players are a different breed, and starting to take your recruiting to a national level is what Coker started doing. Stay in Florida, keep it simple to a point. Sprinkle the class with national players.

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DMoney joins the podcast to give his thoughts on Miami's 2017 recruiting class.

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Being objective here to generate conversation. You can say they are declining because they are recruiting nationally all you want. But truth of the matter is that the teams that are winning big only have a few amount of south Florida players on their team. Look at bama they have had what?cooper; Ridley,Eddie Jackson, burgess-Becker and who else? Clemson has had Trayvon Mullen, yearagin and who else from south Florida? Ohio state joey bosa, Damon armette, and who else? These are teams in their championship years. Now I'm not saying Florida in particular the south Florida region isn't the most talented in the country. It most certainly is.. but good football is played outside of the region too. People must remember that.

Just on our team along most of our top ten players were from out of state. I don't think it's fair to say a south Florida guy has more "fight" or "hunger" then let's say a corn elder or David njoku

I will say in terms of rivalry type games, oos recruits don't feel the burn as well as instate guys . . . see kaaya as example

So...Ed Reed, Reggie Wayne and DJ Williams didn't feel the burn? Michigan vs OSU kids go against their home states play with a passion...Mich DE Taco Charlton is from Col, Ohio 15 min from OSU stadium, Charles Woodson the list goes on..OSU starting RB Mike Weber is from Michigan....Zeek is from STL.....FSU Akers, Laborn, Wilson etc...are no different talent is talent! It's all about the schools you attend more than anything else....social media allows coaches to see thousands of reels much quicker these days....coaches have relationships with HS coaches everywhere....It's not the same we gotta get with the times.....we haveta get some OOS kids like the rest of those winning teams. Sure you clean up in your own back yard which shouldn't be hard with easy access....Kids visit the campus a thousand times.... either coming or not....We keep getting burned every time ....that's why you still need to look around... it's evident sfla has been invaded by the entire country....like another poster said.. winning teams are doing with OOS kids...Miami needs to go after them as well.

difference is they cleaning up in their own states.

 

[grover]

Respectfully, we are not cleaning up in our own state. Not even in the tri-county. Again, I like this class. It's enough to win the Coastal. But how is it an FSU-killer?

As I noted above, we missed on Jeudy, Grimes, Slaton, Cowan, Wilson, D Wright, ***an, Samuels, Davis, Henderson, Edwards. Plus the IMG kids. We also passed on Felix, Gamble, Miller and a host of others than coaches weren't as high on for whatever reason. I love Steed but personally preferred a couple other LBs over Jennings and Wilder (athletic freak, bring him in as an ATH pass rushing specialist, but not a true LB).

Now, 2018, everyone is saying LL, Cook, Surtain, Williams, even Jobe who is verballed to us, are all going to be hard pulls, if not impossible. And that's before we get really started. That is not a wall, it's a sieve. I'm not saying we get them all. But how can we be confident we beat FSU missing on so many local recruits? And what is different about this class versus a Golden class at the top? IMHO, from a recruiting stance, the main difference is that the bottom half is (much) stronger ... and of course better development and game management. Which wins ACC Coastal, but does not put us ahead of FSU nor land us in the BCS playoffs.

 

[Mikesmith29150]

If you can't see the difference between Richt first two classes and Goldens classes then you don't know recruiting

 

[canes614]

I agree with D-Money's assessment on FSU's potential downfall/decay. This is what happened to us in the early 2000's. Complacency starts to creep in and a lot of **** has been going on in Tally with their players. Florida players are a different breed, and starting to take your recruiting to a national level is what Coker started doing. Stay in Florida, keep it simple to a point. Sprinkle the class with national players.

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DMoney joins the podcast to give his thoughts on Miami's 2017 recruiting class.

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Being objective here to generate conversation. You can say they are declining because they are recruiting nationally all you want. But truth of the matter is that the teams that are winning big only have a few amount of south Florida players on their team. Look at bama they have had what?cooper; Ridley,Eddie Jackson, burgess-Becker and who else? Clemson has had Trayvon Mullen, yearagin and who else from south Florida? Ohio state joey bosa, Damon armette, and who else? These are teams in their championship years. Now I'm not saying Florida in particular the south Florida region isn't the most talented in the country. It most certainly is.. but good football is played outside of the region too. People must remember that.

Just on our team along most of our top ten players were from out of state. I don't think it's fair to say a south Florida guy has more "fight" or "hunger" then let's say a corn elder or David njoku

I will say in terms of rivalry type games, oos recruits don't feel the burn as well as instate guys . . . see kaaya as example

So...Ed Reed, Reggie Wayne and DJ Williams didn't feel the burn? Michigan vs OSU kids go against their home states play with a passion...Mich DE Taco Charlton is from Col, Ohio 15 min from OSU stadium, Charles Woodson the list goes on..OSU starting RB Mike Weber is from Michigan....Zeek is from STL.....FSU Akers, Laborn, Wilson etc...are no different talent is talent! It's all about the schools you attend more than anything else....social media allows coaches to see thousands of reels much quicker these days....coaches have relationships with HS coaches everywhere....It's not the same we gotta get with the times.....we haveta get some OOS kids like the rest of those winning teams. Sure you clean up in your own back yard which shouldn't be hard with easy access....Kids visit the campus a thousand times.... either coming or not....We keep getting burned every time ....that's why you still need to look around... it's evident sfla has been invaded by the entire country....like another poster said.. winning teams are doing with OOS kids...Miami needs to go after them as well.

difference is they cleaning up in their own states.

What are you talking about? sfla kids we get easily match their top kids any day....We just need to some how fill the bottom half of our roster with talent like they do...to win it's all about building "quality depth" doesn't matter where or how you get it.

 

[UMJay]

Respectfully, we are not cleaning up in our own state. Not even in the tri-county. Again, I like this class. It's enough to win the Coastal. But how is it an FSU-killer?

As I noted above, we missed on Jeudy, Grimes, Slaton, Cowan, Wilson, D Wright, ***an, Samuels, Davis, Henderson, Edwards. Plus the IMG kids. We also passed on Felix, Gamble, Miller and a host of others than coaches weren't as high on for whatever reason. I love Steed but personally preferred a couple other LBs over Jennings and Wilder (athletic freak, bring him in as an ATH pass rushing specialist, but not a true LB).

Now, 2018, everyone is saying LL, Cook, Surtain, Williams, even Jobe who is verballed to us, are all going to be hard pulls, if not impossible. And that's before we get really started. That is not a wall, it's a sieve. I'm not saying we get them all. But how can we be confident we beat FSU missing on so many local recruits? And what is different about this class versus a Golden class at the top? IMHO, from a recruiting stance, the main difference is that the bottom half is (much) stronger ... and of course better development and game management. Which wins ACC Coastal, but does not put us ahead of FSU nor land us in the BCS playoffs.

FSU didn't land a single recruit from Dade.
One from Broward.
One from Palm Beach.
I think we did a pretty dam good job at cleaning up the tri-country area.

Also, give me DJ Johnson over the IMG DEnd that FSU got. McKitty is someone we wanted, but oh well. They've never utilized TEs that well anyway, so I'm not too concerned about that.

UF did well at DB and added Slaton. Oh, and they struck gold with Jake Allen. If/when we play in the next 3 or 4 years, we will give them the bizness.

 

[TheSwagger1]

I don't disagree with DMoney's sentiment in general but do worry that some So Fla kids might be So Fla kids in name only and things aren't quite the same as they were even as recently as the Butch era. Getting treated like gods from an early age ruins most kids. People will say there have always been drama queens, but I don't think it's the same as it used to be and these handlers are starting earlier and earlier and casting a much wider net at the lower levels. There's zero degree of loyalty or family for lots of reasons I've hashed out on here before and it's going to take a toll on the area to some degree. It's still the best area, but that doesn't mean that things are changing that need to be seriously considered in this type of discussion.

 

[561Cane]

Was there any discussion on UM's class?

 

[doohcane]

I think we were at that point pretty complacent as a staff. Fsu won one ship. We played for 2 and should have been a third. Don't know if they are at the same spot we were as a program. But I could see it happening.

 

[grover]

Was there any discussion on UM's class?

The whole podcasts was about the 2017 class -- 1. who would play right away (Perry, Thomas, Harley, Donaldson and Gaynor on offense, Carter, Dean and Bandy on Defense, possibly Smith), 2. How we compare vs. FSU and UF, with D$ coming firmly down on the side that we will ultimately prove to have the best class because we got local guys with the right attitude, not national prima donnas who get in trouble and wreck the core culture.

 

[brock]

Apparently Miami tried to make a strong run at latavious brini once it appeared on Tuesday that Henderson was likely going to go to the gators. He ultimately signed with uga though I guess due to the constant communication with them over the last 2 months and he was committed there before

 

[bshaw28]

Respectfully, we are not cleaning up in our own state. Not even in the tri-county. Again, I like this class. It's enough to win the Coastal. But how is it an FSU-killer?

As I noted above, we missed on Jeudy, Grimes, Slaton, Cowan, Wilson, D Wright, ***an, Samuels, Davis, Henderson, Edwards. Plus the IMG kids. We also passed on Felix, Gamble, Miller and a host of others than coaches weren't as high on for whatever reason. I love Steed but personally preferred a couple other LBs over Jennings and Wilder (athletic freak, bring him in as an ATH pass rushing specialist, but not a true LB).

Now, 2018, everyone is saying LL, Cook, Surtain, Williams, even Jobe who is verballed to us, are all going to be hard pulls, if not impossible. And that's before we get really started. That is not a wall, it's a sieve. I'm not saying we get them all. But how can we be confident we beat FSU missing on so many local recruits? And what is different about this class versus a Golden class at the top? IMHO, from a recruiting stance, the main difference is that the bottom half is (much) stronger ... and of course better development and game management. Which wins ACC Coastal, but does not put us ahead of FSU nor land us in the BCS playoffs.

I completely agree it's about keeping the top talent. I've said before Yearby/Walton get you in the hunt for the ACC Coastal, Cook gets you in the hunt for the NC. I don't think we're on FSU's overall talent level yet, but we're getting much closer.

The good trend is we signed 10 4/5* guys in 2016, and 10 4/5* guys in 2017. That's the best we've done back to back since 07 & 08.

The keys are:

1) 50% of every recruiting class should be 4/5* Players (no matter what area they're coming from). Golden & Shannon were more in the 33% range. 1/2 is a huge difference from 1/3rd

2) Do it consistently. That 50% needs to be every single year. Classes like 2011 and 2015 are killers, even if there were good classes in-between.

 

[JMG]

Apparently Miami tried to make a strong run at latavious brini once it appeared on Tuesday that Henderson was likely going to go to the gators. He ultimately signed with uga though I guess due to the constant communication with them over the last 2 months and he was committed there before

Says who

 

[brock]

Apparently Miami tried to make a strong run at latavious brini once it appeared on Tuesday that Henderson was likely going to go to the gators. He ultimately signed with uga though I guess due to the constant communication with them over the last 2 months and he was committed there before

Says who

Uga insiders from 247

 

[The Franchise]

Apparently Miami tried to make a strong run at latavious brini once it appeared on Tuesday that Henderson was likely going to go to the gators. He ultimately signed with uga though I guess due to the constant communication with them over the last 2 months and he was committed there before

Says who

Uga insiders from 247

LOL. They're putting out misinformation to make Brini not look like a reach. You're publishing that misinformation here because you are a Brini honk.

 

[AutoCANE]

@DMoney with the line of the year "so they can get away with a little rape"


/DEAD bruh

For real....:6e482c_o:

Nice job guys, thanks.

 

[brock]

Apparently Miami tried to make a strong run at latavious brini once it appeared on Tuesday that Henderson was likely going to go to the gators. He ultimately signed with uga though I guess due to the constant communication with them over the last 2 months and he was committed there before

Says who

Uga insiders from 247

LOL. They're putting out misinformation to make Brini not look like a reach. You're publishing that misinformation here because you are a Brini honk.

I said clear as day "apparently"

 

[Suarez]

Apparently Miami tried to make a strong run at latavious brini once it appeared on Tuesday that Henderson was likely going to go to the gators. He ultimately signed with uga though I guess due to the constant communication with them over the last 2 months and he was committed there before

Says who

Uga insiders from 247

LOL. They're putting out misinformation to make Brini not look like a reach. You're publishing that misinformation here because you are a Brini honk.

I said clear as day "apparently"

If you were my girlfriend, I'd want to beat you

 

[tsimonitis]

I agree with D-Money's assessment on FSU's potential downfall/decay. This is what happened to us in the early 2000's. Complacency starts to creep in and a lot of **** has been going on in Tally with their players. Florida players are a different breed, and starting to take your recruiting to a national level is what Coker started doing. Stay in Florida, keep it simple to a point. Sprinkle the class with national players.

Anyone catch the first player named by D was Shockey, a TE from Oklahoma?