Podcast - 2017 class thoughts with DMoney

[Ibis Wingz]

FSU signed their Andrew Tallman.

 

[canes614]

I agree with D-Money's assessment on FSU's potential downfall/decay. This is what happened to us in the early 2000's. Complacency starts to creep in and a lot of **** has been going on in Tally with their players. Florida players are a different breed, and starting to take your recruiting to a national level is what Coker started doing. Stay in Florida, keep it simple to a point. Sprinkle the class with national players.

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DMoney joins the podcast to give his thoughts on Miami's 2017 recruiting class.

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Being objective here to generate conversation. You can say they are declining because they are recruiting nationally all you want. But truth of the matter is that the teams that are winning big only have a few amount of south Florida players on their team. Look at bama they have had what?cooper; Ridley,Eddie Jackson, burgess-Becker and who else? Clemson has had Trayvon Mullen, yearagin and who else from south Florida? Ohio state joey bosa, Damon armette, and who else? These are teams in their championship years. Now I'm not saying Florida in particular the south Florida region isn't the most talented in the country. It most certainly is.. but good football is played outside of the region too. People must remember that.

Just on our team along most of our top ten players were from out of state. I don't think it's fair to say a south Florida guy has more "fight" or "hunger" then let's say a corn elder or David njoku

I will say in terms of rivalry type games, oos recruits don't feel the burn as well as instate guys . . . see kaaya as example

I agree with D-Money's assessment on FSU's potential downfall/decay. This is what happened to us in the early 2000's. Complacency starts to creep in and a lot of **** has been going on in Tally with their players. Florida players are a different breed, and starting to take your recruiting to a national level is what Coker started doing. Stay in Florida, keep it simple to a point. Sprinkle the class with national players.

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DMoney joins the podcast to give his thoughts on Miami's 2017 recruiting class.

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Being objective here to generate conversation. You can say they are declining because they are recruiting nationally all you want. But truth of the matter is that the teams that are winning big only have a few amount of south Florida players on their team. Look at bama they have had what?cooper; Ridley,Eddie Jackson, burgess-Becker and who else? Clemson has had Trayvon Mullen, yearagin and who else from south Florida? Ohio state joey bosa, Damon armette, and who else? These are teams in their championship years. Now I'm not saying Florida in particular the south Florida region isn't the most talented in the country. It most certainly is.. but good football is played outside of the region too. People must remember that.

Just on our team along most of our top ten players were from out of state. I don't think it's fair to say a south Florida guy has more "fight" or "hunger" then let's say a corn elder or David njoku

I will say in terms of rivalry type games, oos recruits don't feel the burn as well as instate guys . . . see kaaya as example

So...Ed Reed, Reggie Wayne and DJ Williams didn't feel the burn? Michigan vs OSU kids go against their home states play with a passion...Mich DE Taco Charlton is from Col, Ohio 15 min from OSU stadium, Charles Woodson the list goes on..OSU starting RB Mike Weber is from Michigan....Zeek is from STL.....FSU Akers, Laborn, Wilson etc...are no different talent is talent! It's all about the schools you attend more than anything else....social media allows coaches to see thousands of reels much quicker these days....coaches have relationships with HS coaches everywhere....It's not the same we gotta get with the times.....we haveta get some OOS kids like the rest of those winning teams. Sure you clean up in your own back yard which shouldn't be hard with easy access....Kids visit the campus a thousand times.... either coming or not....We keep getting burned every time ....that's why you still need to look around... it's evident sfla has been invaded by the entire country....like another poster said.. winning teams are doing with OOS kids...Miami needs to go after them as well.

the miami staff has hinted at this . . . you give that little bit extra when you play instate rivals if you from florida . . . of course you still get hyped etc if oos, but it means something more if your family has raised you hating another team that happens to be instate

I agree with D-Money's assessment on FSU's potential downfall/decay. This is what happened to us in the early 2000's. Complacency starts to creep in and a lot of **** has been going on in Tally with their players. Florida players are a different breed, and starting to take your recruiting to a national level is what Coker started doing. Stay in Florida, keep it simple to a point. Sprinkle the class with national players.

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DMoney joins the podcast to give his thoughts on Miami's 2017 recruiting class.

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I will say in terms of rivalry type games, oos recruits don't feel the burn as well as instate guys . . . see kaaya as example

I will say in terms of rivalry type games, oos recruits don't feel the burn as well as instate guys . . . see kaaya as example

So...Ed Reed, Reggie Wayne and DJ Williams didn't feel the burn? Michigan vs OSU kids go against their home states play with a passion...Mich DE Taco Charlton is from Col, Ohio 15 min from OSU stadium, Charles Woodson the list goes on..OSU starting RB Mike Weber is from Michigan....Zeek is from STL.....FSU Akers, Laborn, Wilson etc...are no different talent is talent! It's all about the schools you attend more than anything else....social media allows coaches to see thousands of reels much quicker these days....coaches have relationships with HS coaches everywhere....It's not the same we gotta get with the times.....we haveta get some OOS kids like the rest of those winning teams. Sure you clean up in your own back yard which shouldn't be hard with easy access....Kids visit the campus a thousand times.... either coming or not....We keep getting burned every time ....that's why you still need to look around... it's evident sfla has been invaded by the entire country....like another poster said.. winning teams are doing with OOS kids...Miami needs to go after them as well.

the miami staff has hinted at this . . . you give that little bit extra when you play instate rivals if you from florida . . . of course you still get hyped etc if oos, but it means something more if your family has raised you hating another team that happens to be instate

On the flip side.....it can hurt you when the other Instate team has more HS studs from the area use to dominating your less heralded recruits....Also, do you think Taco Charlton grew up hating Ohio state? The mind set changes once you attend the university and become a part of the team...You think Cooper cared about not growing up in the hills of bama? Lol

It has more to do with the core of your team. Miami gained dominance by recruiting Florida, particularly South Florida at a high level. Couple in that in the early 2000's we were where FSU is now - in discussion for title contention; where we started to recruit more nationally then focusing on our own state and that the culture started to become toxic it led to the decay of our program that DMoney is talking about here. Summary, they're straying from the recruiting practice that they used a couple of years ago to win just to gather stars. Character is an important attribute as well which is something you can't measure.

The core of FSU and Miami are from Florida...I understand you haveta get sfla top-notch and sleeper kids ....That's a no brainier....But you guys must understand this is not the old days......schools have moved in to establish relationships.......Look at the Cambell situation back then without social media Clemson doesn't pull it off .....IMO they can easily keep in touch with sfla recruits more than ever....I'm not making excuses it's the way it is....we need to do the same....We are going g to recruit slfa kids hard they either want to be canes or not....our staff is at them hard on a daily basis....To get back Miami needs to get talent any way they can....Are you not tired of getting burnt by these sfla kids waiting on them to make a decision? We haveta play them like other top schools........sell Miami like it's a privilege or they will keep playing us second fiddle. When they see other elite kids come in from OOS it will make them change their perspective....IMO look at Harley he's already talking about challenging Thomas in a race....You can see the hunger now that cane fans have announced Thomas as the next prolific specialist..

 

[DMoney]

First example used for this was Shockey. I laughed a little.

He wasn't used as an example of a South Florida guy. He was an example of a lower-profile recruit who helped us beat FSU. Competing against Florida guys like Dan Morgan and Jon Vilma helped make him the competitor he became.

This staff is focused on Florida and South Florida but will pluck big-time talent from elsewhere. The ratios in this class were perfect. The school to the North is losing its way, and history says they are preparing for a fall.

 

[orange&green84]

First example used for this was Shockey. I laughed a little.

He wasn't used as an example of a South Florida guy. He was an example of a lower-profile recruit who helped us beat FSU. Competing against Florida guys like Dan Morgan and Jon Vilma helped make him the competitor he became.

This staff is focused on Florida and South Florida but will pluck big-time talent from elsewhere. The ratios in this class were perfect. The school to the North is losing its way, and history says they are preparing for a fall.

If you fail to learn history (Canes recruiting post-2003/4) you are doomed to repeat it. As you touched on it, FSU's been straying away from the norm of what made them so successful.

 

[hoover437]

love the comments about the toughness of the cb's! Al's team was overall soft. the db's played incredibly tough, remember corn coming out of spring how they were dogging him. Looking forward to seeing more of that this year.

 

[FG305]

Excellent comparison of Miami vs. FSU. Again we beat them twice this year.

Line of the podcast:

They got a guy from Maine. He was whale watching before the FSU offer came in.


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Dude from Maine had offers from Ohio state, Alabama, USC, LSU,UF and FSU. Pretty comical that we have daily fap sessions over Dallas, Thomas, Njoku and Johnson.

 

[canes614]

First example used for this was Shockey. I laughed a little.

He wasn't used as an example of a South Florida guy. He was an example of a lower-profile recruit who helped us beat FSU. Competing against Florida guys like Dan Morgan and Jon Vilma helped make him the competitor he became.

This staff is focused on Florida and South Florida but will pluck big-time talent from elsewhere. The ratios in this class were perfect. The school to the North is losing its way, and history says they are preparing for a fall.

If you fail to learn history (Canes recruiting post-2003/4) you are doomed to repeat it. As you touched on it, FSU's been straying away from the norm of what made them so successful.

Well, this will be determined on the field....we haven't beaten them in a long time....Let's say Miami woulda landed Mcfarland, Smith and Hollowman ...Is that still a good ratio? I'm all for getting sfla kids, but talent is talent....Teams are out there winning with kids from everywhere.

 

[The Franchise]

But truth of the matter is that the teams that are winning big only have a few amount of south Florida players on their team. Look at bama they have had what?cooper; Ridley,Eddie Jackson, burgess-Becker and who else? Clemson has had Trayvon Mullen, yearagin and who else from south Florida? Ohio state joey bosa, Damon armette, and who else? T

Ohio State and Alabama don't have the word "Florida" in their names. Those of us who are older have seen the rise and fall of the great Florida dynasties. The surest signs are: (1) star recruits who come in expecting easy wins and get in trouble; (2) too many OOS recruits instead of Florida talent; and (3) bad quarterback play.

FSU hasn't suffered from bad QB play yet, so their decline has been steady instead of drastic. But the other signs are there in abundance. Only 40% of their class this year came from Florida. They signed a kid from Maine. When they won the championship, 60% of their starters and most of their role players came from Florida.

Richt said he is aiming for 2/3, or 66%, of his classes to come from Florida. This year we hit 70%. That's about right.

And the reason they won that NC was the QB from Alabama.

Just get me some good tough players who work hard and get better every day. There are plenty of those guys down here and plenty elsewhere who have been instrumental in all of our NCs.

There are also plenty of pvssy *** quitters down here. The culture has changed a little down here to more entitlements and coddling than it was before the proliferation of recruiting sites dedicated to sucking their booty juice.

It used to be mostly tough city kids like Bandy who work their asses off. It's slowly morphing into "top 28 lists" and "business decisions" and "I'm not getting enough love."

There are still Bandys and Joe Jacksons. We need to find them and sign them.

 

[GhostRecon_Cane]

"They can get away with some rape" "this guy was whale watching before FSU offered him" lmao. This guy is savage!

 

[GhostRecon_Cane]

But truth of the matter is that the teams that are winning big only have a few amount of south Florida players on their team. Look at bama they have had what?cooper; Ridley,Eddie Jackson, burgess-Becker and who else? Clemson has had Trayvon Mullen, yearagin and who else from south Florida? Ohio state joey bosa, Damon armette, and who else? T

Ohio State and Alabama don't have the word "Florida" in their names. Those of us who are older have seen the rise and fall of the great Florida dynasties. The surest signs are: (1) star recruits who come in expecting easy wins and get in trouble; (2) too many OOS recruits instead of Florida talent; and (3) bad quarterback play.

FSU hasn't suffered from bad QB play yet, so their decline has been steady instead of drastic. But the other signs are there in abundance. Only 40% of their class this year came from Florida. They signed a kid from Maine. When they won the championship, 60% of their starters and most of their role players came from Florida.

Richt said he is aiming for 2/3, or 66%, of his classes to come from Florida. This year we hit 70%. That's about right.

And the reason they won that NC was the QB from Alabama.

Just get me some good tough players who work hard and get better every day. There are plenty of those guys down here and plenty elsewhere who have been instrumental in all of our NCs.

There are also plenty of pvssy *** quitters down here. The culture has changed a little down here to more entitlements and coddling than it was before the proliferation of recruiting sites dedicated to sucking their booty juice.

It used to be mostly tough city kids like Bandy who work their asses off. It's slowly morphing into "top 28 lists" and "business decisions" and "I'm not getting enough love."

There are still Bandys and Joe Jacksons. We need to find them and sign them.

Yep those ghetto hood gold teeth wearing inner city kids made the U a MONSTER in the 80's and early 90's. This is why we need to land a Randy Russell type.

 

[The Franchise]

But truth of the matter is that the teams that are winning big only have a few amount of south Florida players on their team. Look at bama they have had what?cooper; Ridley,Eddie Jackson, burgess-Becker and who else? Clemson has had Trayvon Mullen, yearagin and who else from south Florida? Ohio state joey bosa, Damon armette, and who else? T

Ohio State and Alabama don't have the word "Florida" in their names. Those of us who are older have seen the rise and fall of the great Florida dynasties. The surest signs are: (1) star recruits who come in expecting easy wins and get in trouble; (2) too many OOS recruits instead of Florida talent; and (3) bad quarterback play.

FSU hasn't suffered from bad QB play yet, so their decline has been steady instead of drastic. But the other signs are there in abundance. Only 40% of their class this year came from Florida. They signed a kid from Maine. When they won the championship, 60% of their starters and most of their role players came from Florida.

Richt said he is aiming for 2/3, or 66%, of his classes to come from Florida. This year we hit 70%. That's about right.

And the reason they won that NC was the QB from Alabama.

Just get me some good tough players who work hard and get better every day. There are plenty of those guys down here and plenty elsewhere who have been instrumental in all of our NCs.

There are also plenty of pvssy *** quitters down here. The culture has changed a little down here to more entitlements and coddling than it was before the proliferation of recruiting sites dedicated to sucking their booty juice.

It used to be mostly tough city kids like Bandy who work their asses off. It's slowly morphing into "top 28 lists" and "business decisions" and "I'm not getting enough love."

There are still Bandys and Joe Jacksons. We need to find them and sign them.

Yep those ghetto hood gold teeth wearing inner city kids made the U a MONSTER in the 80's and early 90's. This is why we need to land a Randy Russell type.

We don't need a Randy Russell type. We need Randy Russell.

 

[brock]

Jabaal Sheard defensive lineman that played at pitt that's from south Florida. We didn't offer him either

 

[orange&green84]

Jabaal Sheard defensive lineman that played at pitt that's from south Florida. We didn't offer him either

We could have a Jerry Jeudy length thread discussing guys that Shannon didn't recruit that he should've.

 

[jkaz1]

I think FSU has gone out of state for players more often than Miami over the years. Maybe UF, too.

I don't know what their long-term ratio has been, but it definitely seems like they've always been a bit heavier with out-of-state players.

Miami is the only championship-level team in Miami. Florida and FSU don't have that luxury in their backyards, though they've each done well in other areas, such as Tampa and Orlando over the years....

First example used for this was Shockey. I laughed a little.

He wasn't used as an example of a South Florida guy. He was an example of a lower-profile recruit who helped us beat FSU. Competing against Florida guys like Dan Morgan and Jon Vilma helped make him the competitor he became.

This staff is focused on Florida and South Florida but will pluck big-time talent from elsewhere. The ratios in this class were perfect. The school to the North is losing its way, and history says they are preparing for a fall.

 

[bshaw28]

But truth of the matter is that the teams that are winning big only have a few amount of south Florida players on their team. Look at bama they have had what?cooper; Ridley,Eddie Jackson, burgess-Becker and who else? Clemson has had Trayvon Mullen, yearagin and who else from south Florida? Ohio state joey bosa, Damon armette, and who else? T

Ohio State and Alabama don't have the word "Florida" in their names. Those of us who are older have seen the rise and fall of the great Florida dynasties. The surest signs are: (1) star recruits who come in expecting easy wins and get in trouble; (2) too many OOS recruits instead of Florida talent; and (3) bad quarterback play.

FSU hasn't suffered from bad QB play yet, so their decline has been steady instead of drastic. But the other signs are there in abundance. Only 40% of their class this year came from Florida. They signed a kid from Maine. When they won the championship, 60% of their starters and most of their role players came from Florida.

Richt said he is aiming for 2/3, or 66%, of his classes to come from Florida. This year we hit 70%. That's about right.

I agree with you DMoney that somewhere around 65% - 70% of recruits from FL is a good recipe for success. That's the ideal. I'm just hoping the staff doesn't stick to that as a hard number to hit every year.

Using FSU as an Example:

2011 - 22 of 29 (77%) were from FL. Their studs were from FL - Freeman, Benjamin, O'Leary, Jernigan and no one really from out of state.
2012 - 6 of 18 (33%) were from FL. Their studs were from out of state - Winston (AL), Edwards (TX), Goldman (DC), Darby (MD)

IMO - it ebbs and flows. FL and our backyard is always the priority, but I'm hoping "we need 65% to come from FL in every class" isn't a hard line we stick to every year. There needs to be flexibility.

 

[RiDLer80]

Interesting that you think Gaynor could be an early contributor this season. Maybe if he was an EE I could see that, but I don't think he's polished enough to overcome being undersized at the moment. I think next year he'll be asked to step up for sure, but I don't see that happening this year.

 

[Memnon]

Y'all pretty much know how I feel about Dade & Florida ballers in general...

However, there's **** good football players from all over the country & every single major program in D1 that is winning conference championships & competing for Natty's recruits nationally.

I don't believe there is such thing as too many OOS recruits, to me it's all about evaluation & development.

If you master the ability to properly evaluate a recruit, then properly develop once you get him in your program, it doesn't matter where he's from as long as he's a good football player.

Obviously, Florida has the best football players in the world, so it makes perfect sense to want a team full of Florida boys, but what's more important is hitting on the kids who are internally driven to be great, that's the most difficult thing to do.

Bama/Clemson/Oh St etc are not loading up on Florida players, they're hitting on the right ones... Meaning, they're getting the ones that they know will be the cream of the crop, they're not taking a bunch of South Fla jags.

Of course most of our players should be from Florida, but that's not more important than getting the right ones...
I mean UF has roster full of Florida kids & most of them turn out to be busts, because they don't hit on the right one.

 

[CFLCane]

But truth of the matter is that the teams that are winning big only have a few amount of south Florida players on their team. Look at bama they have had what?cooper; Ridley,Eddie Jackson, burgess-Becker and who else? Clemson has had Trayvon Mullen, yearagin and who else from south Florida? Ohio state joey bosa, Damon armette, and who else? T

Ohio State and Alabama don't have the word "Florida" in their names. Those of us who are older have seen the rise and fall of the great Florida dynasties. The surest signs are: (1) star recruits who come in expecting easy wins and get in trouble; (2) too many OOS recruits instead of Florida talent; and (3) bad quarterback play.

FSU hasn't suffered from bad QB play yet, so their decline has been steady instead of drastic. But the other signs are there in abundance. Only 40% of their class this year came from Florida. They signed a kid from Maine. When they won the championship, 60% of their starters and most of their role players came from Florida.

Richt said he is aiming for 2/3, or 66%, of his classes to come from Florida. This year we hit 70%. That's about right.

Using that math we should have 1-2 OOS RB's on the team...........

 

[grover]

D$, I really like this class. But I don't see it as a differentiator to pull us away from FSU. I agree with your position that we accomplish that by getting a haul of top flight South Florida kids. But we had A LOT of misses in South Florida, most of whom went to FSU, UF and Bama:

Jeudy, Grimes, Slaton, Cowan, Wilson, D Wright, ***an, Samuels, Davis, Henderson, Edwards, who were all higher on the board than Bandy, Dean and Smith. Specifically with the DBs, outside of Carter, who is a beast, and Dean, who we needed due to roster, I believe the staff would rather have had these other kids.

I also personally think we should have gone after Felix, Gamble and Miller.

Can't lose all these local guys to your rivals and say "mission accomplished".

 

[OriginalCanesCanesCanes]

How many of those guys were higher on the board than Bandy? Really?