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Playoff saving FG?

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Canaanite said:
In the moment i agreed with taking the field goal and here's why hear me out...

The offensive momentum had sputtered in the redzone thanks to George's stupid f'n headbutt penalty, and a near interception on that same play.
There's more than 3:40, We had 2 timeouts, and the 2min warning. Our front 7 had done a decent job all game of holding their run game in check. At that point they were right around 60 total rush yards for the game.
Remember McCord had carved up our secondary & corners. By taking the FG, you essentially force them to be conservative, 1 dimensional and run the ball only. After a stop you'd get the ball back with ard 2mins with a chance to Win with a score. You have to believe that your D can get at least 1 stop in that situation, and if we can't then guess what We Don't Deserve to WIN!

Let's say we do take the shot and score to tie, Well now you still have the exact same problem of getting a stop Except now Syracuse has the ball with 3:30+, 3 timeouts and their FULL PLAYBOOK. All they need is a field goal to win. McCord definitely would've continued to carve our secondary and score in some fashion.

Let's place the blame squarely where it actually belongs on the D & Guidry. He still had the DEs stunting and twisting which gave up contain and allowed RB Allen to turn the corner. They beat us with the same stuff other teams had.. motions sweeps & edge runs. The D committed penalties lost contain & got bullied by Syracuse's oline when everyone knew exactly what was coming.

This one wasn't on Mario this was on Guidry as usual this season. Their was NO coaching decision that Mario could've made in that situation that would've removed responsibility from the Defense of getting a critical stop, None.
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I made the same point elsewhere. Maybe this thread?

My preferred approach would have been to run hurry up and score with 5+ on the clock. Maybe by some grace of God you get the ball back in cam's hands.

If we kick, we need a stop. If we go and get it, we need a stop. If we go and don't get it, we need a stop. They almost got in fg range by running under center at the end lol

The only way we win in my opinion is if cam is driving somehow at the end of the game.
 
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bacane said:
Is it possible the FG, sketchy at the time, prolongs our season? Let’s be real, chances of scoring from 10-yd line weren’t high. If we fail, D would have melted like butter and Syracuse would have marched down the field for an easy TD. So, we would have lost 49-35 instead of a more respectable 42-38.
If SMU beats Clemson this might matter.
We have two losses, both on the road, by total of 9 points.
Syracuse is 9-3. GT 7-5 after losing at UGA in 8 OTs.
It appears top contenders for playoff spot, assuming Lashlee and Co take care of Clemson, are 3-time losers Alabama, Mississippi and South Carolina.
Bama losses include Vandy, Tenn and 24-3 to Oklahoma (6-6). Loss total by 33 points vs Miami’s 9.
Mississippi losses to LSU, Kentucky (4-8 record) and Florida - a Miami rout. Loss total by 13 points.
South Carolina losses to LSU, Mississippi (27-3 rout) and Alabama. Loss total by 29 points vs Miami’s 9 in two losses.
Again, if Clemson wins ACC title game none of this matters. And yes, Miami’s defense would get lit up by whoever it faced in the playoffs.
But the questionable FG may help make our case.
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Everybody’s talking about our losses compared to Bama and the others but who did we beat compared to the others? Nobody. Our schedule was pathetic and that’s why we’ll be on the outside looking in. And we’re not as good as Bama, Ole Miss or South Carolina. We had a golden opportunity to beat a team we should have beaten and had yet another epic fail.
 
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AutoCANE said:
The choice to kick a FG is the right choice, sure - IF YOUR DEFENSE HAS A ******* PULSE! At that point in the game it was clear we had no answers. He coached that scenario as if it were an NFL game - when it is highly likely you stop three running plays and get the ball back. There was absolutely zero evidence that we would be able to do that, and - shocker - we didn’t!

Debating whether the loss by four or fourteen leaves the door open for us to steal a playoff bid is kind of silly. A loss is a loss, and we choked with everything on the line.
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It’s never the right choice to kick a FG right there. You went from needing a TD to… still needing a ******* TD. If you go for it and don’t get get it, you’re still in the same position you were in if you kick it. You need a stop. But if you don’t get it, they have worse field position and you still need a stop.
 
NC_Canes_11 said:
It’s never the right choice to kick a FG right there. You went from needing a TD to… still needing a ******* TD. If you go for it and don’t get get it, you’re still in the same position you were in if you kick it. You need a stop. But if you don’t get it, they have worse field position and you still need a stop.
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Members of cults tend to lose any and all rational thought
 
NC_Canes_11 said:
It’s never the right choice to kick a FG right there. You went from needing a TD to… still needing a ******* TD. If you go for it and don’t get get it, you’re still in the same position you were in if you kick it. You need a stop. But if you don’t get it, they have worse field position and you still need a stop.
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Absolutely 100% incorrect. You can’t see past your Mario hate apparently. If your defense can make a stop, then when you get the ball back you’re going for the win and not the tie. Go ahead and survey college and NFL coaches and see what they say.

The difference is our defense is ******* terrible and there was no way we were getting a stop.
 
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AutoCANE said:
Absolutely 100% incorrect. You can’t see past your Mario hate apparently. If your defense can make a stop, then when you get the ball back you’re going for the win and not the tie. Go ahead and survey college and NFL coaches and see what they say.

The difference is our defense is ******* terrible and there was no way we were getting a stop.
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You just proved me right. If the defense wasn’t getting a stop then why not go for the tie? If you kick the FG you’re guaranteed to lose bc you won’t get a stop anyway.

And go ahead and take that survey. You’ll see that I’m right.
 
AutoCANE said:
The choice to kick a FG is the right choice, sure - IF YOUR DEFENSE HAS A ******* PULSE! At that point in the game it was clear we had no answers. He coached that scenario as if it were an NFL game - when it is highly likely you stop three running plays and get the ball back. There was absolutely zero evidence that we would be able to do that, and - shocker - we didn’t!

Debating whether the loss by four or fourteen leaves the door open for us to steal a playoff bid is kind of silly. A loss is a loss, and we choked with everything on the line.
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Sensible post. Miami didn't handle their business. They get nothing and rightfully so.
 
bacane said:
Is it possible the FG, sketchy at the time, prolongs our season? Let’s be real, chances of scoring from 10-yd line weren’t high. If we fail, D would have melted like butter and Syracuse would have marched down the field for an easy TD. So, we would have lost 49-35 instead of a more respectable 42-38.
If SMU beats Clemson this might matter.
We have two losses, both on the road, by total of 9 points.
Syracuse is 9-3. GT 7-5 after losing at UGA in 8 OTs.
It appears top contenders for playoff spot, assuming Lashlee and Co take care of Clemson, are 3-time losers Alabama, Mississippi and South Carolina.
Bama losses include Vandy, Tenn and 24-3 to Oklahoma (6-6). Loss total by 33 points vs Miami’s 9.
Mississippi losses to LSU, Kentucky (4-8 record) and Florida - a Miami rout. Loss total by 13 points.
South Carolina losses to LSU, Mississippi (27-3 rout) and Alabama. Loss total by 29 points vs Miami’s 9 in two losses.
Again, if Clemson wins ACC title game none of this matters. And yes, Miami’s defense would get lit up by whoever it faced in the playoffs.
But the questionable FG may help make our case.
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Logic has nothing to do with it.
Bama has 3 losses and a bunch of people in the media are still voting for them.
It’s a popularity contest.
At least when we lose we put up points and make it a game. Bama has 3 losses and scored 3 points against Oklahoma.
 
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FG was the wrong choice based on the way our defense played after the 1st quarter, but of course Mario didn't understand that. As for Mario going off on an official? Yeah right, I'll believe it when i see it. IMO there were 3 critical plays that decided the game:
1) Powell dropping a sure interception
2) Restrepo with another fumble that was returned for TD this time (I know X has been great and no one wants to call him out but that play killed us)
3) George doing George things and committing a crushing 15-yard penalty at the most critical point in the game/season
 
IbzRlz said:
FG was the wrong choice based on the way our defense played after the 1st quarter, but of course Mario didn't understand that. As for Mario going off on an official? Yeah right, I'll believe it when i see it. IMO there were 3 critical plays that decided the game:
1) Powell dropping a sure interception
2) Restrepo with another fumble that was returned for TD this time (I know X has been great and no one wants to call him out but that play killed us)
3) George doing George things and committing a crushing 15-yard penalty at the most critical point in the game/season
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Add to the list a key late game drop by Horton, perhaps on final series. Offsides by Moten. Perplexing beauties earlier in game were Mesidor in pass coverage down the field.
 
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NC_Canes_11 said:
You just proved me right. If the defense wasn’t getting a stop then why not go for the tie? If you kick the FG you’re guaranteed to lose bc you won’t get a stop anyway.

And go ahead and take that survey. You’ll see that I’m right.
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Read my previous posts smart guy. Of course it was the wrong decision in this circumstance with this team in this game. I’m talking about in general. Believe what you want I guess
 
bacane said:
Add to the list a key late game drop by Horton, perhaps on final series. Offsides by Moten. Perplexing beauties earlier in game were Mesidor in pass coverage down the field.
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I'd given up by the time Moten jumped offsides, but the Horton drop was huge. Looking at what Lashlee has done with SMU just proves the point Mario and staff are terrible at player development and putting players in position to succeed
 
IbzRlz said:
I'd given up by the time Moten jumped offsides, but the Horton drop was huge. Looking at what Lashlee has done with SMU just proves the point Mario and staff are terrible at player development and putting players in position to succeed
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Horton is an obvious example of player development. Critical drop, but he’s had a solid season.
 
bacane said:
Horton is an obvious example of player development. Critical drop, but he’s had a solid season.
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True, but look at all the UM "castoffs" doing well at SMU. Breshard Smith in particular, but JHH and Roberts have been solid and just as good as Baron and much better than Clark
 
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