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Player regression on defense

Nice post CaneSB. I would argue over the past 3 cycles Golden has recruited poorly on the defensive side of the ball. Outside of AQM and possibly Howard, I don't see one elite kid. He completely struck out on D Tackles last year when we needed them badly. We lost a bunch of D kids to off the field issues. Our linebacker depth remains awful. You cannot miss on recruits as much as Golden has on the defensive side of the ball and build depth when you had nothing to start with. Our rebuilding plan just got pushed back 2 more years because of our lousy defensive recruiting.
 
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Defensive players seem to have lost faith in the staff. I see a ****** scheme combined with a real lack of effort. Time for a change.
 
WildcatDefense said:
Guys who have gotten worse this year and are having the worst seasons of their career.



Am I forgetting anybody else?

Chickillo, Pierre, Robinson and Porter all looked 10x better in the 1-gap 4-3.
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*Chickillo-- I think he is playing out of position. I would rather him drop weight to around 260. He does not play like he is 6-4 277. It makes me wonder if his arms are too short to play at DE. He is not very good at playing gap control. WCD, I do not believe he has ever played 1 gap while here.
*Robinson--Square peg round hole. Should not be playing full time 2 gap. Really should not be playing any other spot than a 3 technique.
*Porter--Porter has played pretty good at times this year. I believe he has worn down due to the defense being on the field way too much. (This goes for alot of our other guys as well)
*Bush--Playing fine for how old he is. I do not expect perfection out of him.
*Perryman?--I do not think he has regressed. I would rather have him playing Gaines role in this defense base on how it "looks" like we are trying to play. I think he is limited in coverage and he ends up playing coverage alot. He is the only guy we trot out at LB that has instincts like a LB. People think he has regressed but is another that is getting tired and worn down. When this happens, he is going to miss tackles.
*Pierre--one of the few guys I think is built for what we try to do. I do not think he has regressed. But I do not think he has gotten better. Even though he is built to stand up an Olineman, he does not seem to have the ability to consistently disengage or hold tight at the point of attack.

Bottom line, our defense is tired and worn out. go look at the TOP of the last 4 games (prior to Duke). The D has been hung out to dry. I also think Dorito and Goldylocks are stubborn and retarded for calling so much 2 gap past obvious running downs. They also do NOTHING to protect our ****** LB play. When you face a QB who can run (even the threat of it), you have to at a minimum put 8 in the box. Otherwise you are giving numbers to the offense and tempting them to run. And waiting till the 4th Quarter to do so, is the very definition of being retarded. By that time, the Defense was ******* exhausted from chasing duke RBs/WRs/QBs running the ball. It is pointless then.

On top of the above, why call so much 2 gap when your LBs past Perryman suck balls. The ones who are likely not to suck, the young pups, are not out there to gain the valuable experience. Oh and teams are going to continue to trot out 3 WRs 1 TE and 1 RB because they have us by the balls in this formation. We try to sit in 2 high safety and ask our DL and LBs to play even up on a teams run game. Keep 8 in the box in early downs and make them make a play in the pass game.
 
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CaneSB said:
WildcatDefense said:
When several players who showed promise (in other schemes) start looking like complete JAG's week after week that's coaching. That's scheme. That means you have guys out of position.
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Who showed promise in other schemes? These players are not "regressing," they were never good to begin with. You all just hype these kids up based on "insiders" from Greentree or some ridiculous game you play on paper.

I have heard this SCHEME bull**** every year since we lost to Ohio State in the Fiesta Bowl. Randy was to vanilla. Whipple to was to risky. 2 gap, 1 gap. The common denominator is our talent level has sucked for years. I don't give two ****s who will or is playing in the NFL.

But if the NFL is your guide, we haven't had a 1st round pick in 5 years.

On Defense here are the players drafted in the top 4 rounds:
2nd Round - Brandon Harris
3rd Round - Allen Bailey, O Vernon, Spence, DVD
4th round - Colin McCarthy, Daryl Sharpton

Brandon Harris, Spence, and DVD are not in the league.
Allen Baily has 20 career tackles and 2 sacks.
Vernon and McCarthy are the only 2 doing anything.
Sharpton is average. Hasn't had more than 35 tackles in season.

We had 2 ****ing players drafted last year..Mike James and Brandon McGee in the 6th and 5th round.
We sure as **** won't have any defensive players drafted this year unless perryman comes out although he is probably a 4th rounder.
The two defensive players with the most NFL talent on the team on defense are Bush, who has been hurt all year, and AQM, who has a shot to be a 1st rounder one day.

How is that talent?

Last 3 years NFL Drafts Top 4 rounds-Defense
North Carolina = 7
Florida St = 5
Georgia Tech = 4
Clemson = 6
UVA = 2
BC = 1
NC St = 1
Miami = Big Fat ****ing Zero

Any if you look at any moc drafts for 2014 and 2015, GT has two LB projected as 1/2 picks. FSU has 6. Clemson has 2.
MIAMI = 000000000000

But the lack of elite talent is only problem #1.

The biggest problem is the drop off from our so called NFl talent to guys like Highsmith, Green, Renfrow, Cain, Porter, Robinson, Rodgers, Cornelius, Gaines. These guys are undraftable 2/3 star recruits who we all hold in such high regard yet it is debateable if they would even be on the two on ALL of our major conference opponents.

You can't scheme your way out of that. Sorry Coach. Go back to the drawing board with your tired talking points.

This team's best players are freshman and sophomores. The cupboard was left empty when Shannon left and we are still haunted by his last two defensive classes. Golden has done a good but not great job of recruiting defense so he takes some of the blame but time will tell is Jenkins, Howard, Bush, AQM, Figs, Grace, Burns, Hamilton, McCord become impact players as the mature.

So after that ramble...here are the real problems.

1. We have a bifurcated team. Our best athletes are true freshman and sophomores and our most experienced guys are barely BCS level talent. If you are a coach, as I was for many years as a volunteer, you will clearly understand the difficulty of putting together a gameplan with your older guys not being athletic enough to execute and your younger guys not experienced enough to eliminate mental errors. You can't implement 2 systems so you are asking AJ Highsmith and Deon Bush to accomplish the same strategic goals. That is not a good spot to be in. The complaint was we were playing to much zone and now we are playing a bunch of man coverage and we are getting smoked on the ground. That is the downside of man coverage. It is very dangerous when you have a front 7 like ours. The good old blitz....who are you going to blitz? Gaines? Highsmith? They are to slow to put any pressure on the QB. If you blitz perryman, you now are putting Gaines or Cornelius in potential bad match ups as they are mismatch against just about every position player other than the Center. You want to disguise and get exotic, it can be complex for the young guys and they will make mental errors or you can have a slow and unathletic Highsmith get out of position because he can't get to his spot. We can't get pressure on the QB with our front 4 so you we are forced to send 5 or 6 which leaves huge holes in the defense in zone, or bad matchups with LBs and Safeties on RB and TE. See FSU game and Eric Ebron. To make matters worse, our blitzes arent effective because our players aren't atheltic enough to get pessure and not one DL commands a Double team so the protection can easily slide and go man up on the rushers.

2. I just ran through every game since and took out FAu and Savannah St. Our offense in 100 series has had only 43% of the drives last over 2 minutes and 25% were less than 3 minutes. That is the downside of our inconsistent QB and our boom or bust offense. Add in the turnovers and quite frankly, our defense is tired. If you know what the **** you are talking about, it is clear that our defense is worn out. The guys named above take the most snaps. The freshman are hitting walls. It is fatigue that leads to missed tackles and blown assignments in crunch time, and that is exactly what is happening in the last 3 games.

It is a pipe dream if you think that a change in scheme would do anything for our defense. They are untalented and beaten down. Add in that our offense is missing its 3 most explosive players in Duke, Dorsett and now Coley....you end up losing to DUKE.

I am tired of hearing your scheme BS. Our DL slants and stunts half the game so your 1 gap vs 2 gap argument is garbage. But you KNOW WHAT THE **** YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT....SO CARRY ON.
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Should be tacked in its own thread!!!!!! Actual facts to back up ,not potential because we seen them play in high school.
 
CaneSB said:
WildcatDefense said:
When several players who showed promise (in other schemes) start looking like complete JAG's week after week that's coaching. That's scheme. That means you have guys out of position.
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Who showed promise in other schemes? These players are not "regressing," they were never good to begin with. You all just hype these kids up based on "insiders" from Greentree or some ridiculous game you play on paper.

I have heard this SCHEME bull**** every year since we lost to Ohio State in the Fiesta Bowl. Randy was to vanilla. Whipple to was to risky. 2 gap, 1 gap. The common denominator is our talent level has sucked for years. I don't give two ****s who will or is playing in the NFL.

But if the NFL is your guide, we haven't had a 1st round pick in 5 years.

On Defense here are the players drafted in the top 4 rounds:
2nd Round - Brandon Harris
3rd Round - Allen Bailey, O Vernon, Spence, DVD
4th round - Colin McCarthy, Daryl Sharpton

Brandon Harris, Spence, and DVD are not in the league.
Allen Baily has 20 career tackles and 2 sacks.
Vernon and McCarthy are the only 2 doing anything.
Sharpton is average. Hasn't had more than 35 tackles in season.

We had 2 ****ing players drafted last year..Mike James and Brandon McGee in the 6th and 5th round.
We sure as **** won't have any defensive players drafted this year unless perryman comes out although he is probably a 4th rounder.
The two defensive players with the most NFL talent on the team on defense are Bush, who has been hurt all year, and AQM, who has a shot to be a 1st rounder one day.

How is that talent?

Last 3 years NFL Drafts Top 4 rounds-Defense
North Carolina = 7
Florida St = 5
Georgia Tech = 4
Clemson = 6
UVA = 2
BC = 1
NC St = 1
Miami = Big Fat ****ing Zero

Any if you look at any moc drafts for 2014 and 2015, GT has two LB projected as 1/2 picks. FSU has 6. Clemson has 2.
MIAMI = 000000000000

But the lack of elite talent is only problem #1.

The biggest problem is the drop off from our so called NFl talent to guys like Highsmith, Green, Renfrow, Cain, Porter, Robinson, Rodgers, Cornelius, Gaines. These guys are undraftable 2/3 star recruits who we all hold in such high regard yet it is debateable if they would even be on the two on ALL of our major conference opponents.

You can't scheme your way out of that. Sorry Coach. Go back to the drawing board with your tired talking points.

This team's best players are freshman and sophomores. The cupboard was left empty when Shannon left and we are still haunted by his last two defensive classes. Golden has done a good but not great job of recruiting defense so he takes some of the blame but time will tell is Jenkins, Howard, Bush, AQM, Figs, Grace, Burns, Hamilton, McCord become impact players as the mature.

So after that ramble...here are the real problems.

1. We have a bifurcated team. Our best athletes are true freshman and sophomores and our most experienced guys are barely BCS level talent. If you are a coach, as I was for many years as a volunteer, you will clearly understand the difficulty of putting together a gameplan with your older guys not being athletic enough to execute and your younger guys not experienced enough to eliminate mental errors. You can't implement 2 systems so you are asking AJ Highsmith and Deon Bush to accomplish the same strategic goals. That is not a good spot to be in. The complaint was we were playing to much zone and now we are playing a bunch of man coverage and we are getting smoked on the ground. That is the downside of man coverage. It is very dangerous when you have a front 7 like ours. The good old blitz....who are you going to blitz? Gaines? Highsmith? They are to slow to put any pressure on the QB. If you blitz perryman, you now are putting Gaines or Cornelius in potential bad match ups as they are mismatch against just about every position player other than the Center. You want to disguise and get exotic, it can be complex for the young guys and they will make mental errors or you can have a slow and unathletic Highsmith get out of position because he can't get to his spot. We can't get pressure on the QB with our front 4 so you we are forced to send 5 or 6 which leaves huge holes in the defense in zone, or bad matchups with LBs and Safeties on RB and TE. See FSU game and Eric Ebron. To make matters worse, our blitzes arent effective because our players aren't atheltic enough to get pessure and not one DL commands a Double team so the protection can easily slide and go man up on the rushers.

2. I just ran through every game since and took out FAu and Savannah St. Our offense in 100 series has had only 43% of the drives last over 2 minutes and 25% were less than 3 minutes. That is the downside of our inconsistent QB and our boom or bust offense. Add in the turnovers and quite frankly, our defense is tired. If you know what the **** you are talking about, it is clear that our defense is worn out. The guys named above take the most snaps. The freshman are hitting walls. It is fatigue that leads to missed tackles and blown assignments in crunch time, and that is exactly what is happening in the last 3 games.

It is a pipe dream if you think that a change in scheme would do anything for our defense. They are untalented and beaten down. Add in that our offense is missing its 3 most explosive players in Duke, Dorsett and now Coley....you end up losing to DUKE.

I am tired of hearing your scheme BS. Our DL slants and stunts half the game so your 1 gap vs 2 gap argument is garbage. But you KNOW WHAT THE **** YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT....SO CARRY ON.
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**** butch was a GOAT




bring back butch
 
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Notsince1985 said:
Take the ? away from Perryman. I'll get attacked for this, but I've been saying this all season. He racks up the tackles, but aside from the UF game, he's had an average year. He rarely makes a big play, and most of his 10 tackles are 10 yards down the field. He's the best player on defense, but that's like being the tallest midget in the room. I think he's a good LB, but far from an all-American, and far from all the hype. He's no Sean Spence, and he would probably look a lot better with other LBs with a pulse around him, but he's not good enough to shine with crap around him. Before anyone says, no one would look good on that defense, that's not true. There are elite LBs who would look good no matter who was playing next to them.
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BS. And when he becomes a star in the NFL all of you will realize how stupid you were for agreeing with this.


How is a LB supposed to have a great year when he's surrounded by garbage? Please name me one LB in the history of CFB who looked absolutely great despite being surrounded by garbage talent and being on a defense ranked in the 100s.

Guy already has 90+ tackles. You think he is average? Ask FSU fans what they think of him. A lot of them were saying he was the best defensive player on the field when we played them.

All those tackles down field = hustle plays. Those tackles downfield are the result of our other LBs and Safeties getting beat and DP having to hustle downfield to cover their mistake. Explain to me how a LB is supposed to rack up TFLs when the DL in front of him gets no pressure whatsover. A LB's impact on the game is largely determined by the DL he has in front of him. It's almost impossible for any LB to excel when he's playing behind a horrible DL.

Learn something about football and LB play before you call our best defensive player and one of the few bright spots on our team "average". I'd hate to imagine just how much worse we'd be without him.
 
bbcane said:
CaneSB said:
WildcatDefense said:
When several players who showed promise (in other schemes) start looking like complete JAG's week after week that's coaching. That's scheme. That means you have guys out of position.
Click to expand...

Who showed promise in other schemes? These players are not "regressing," they were never good to begin with. You all just hype these kids up based on "insiders" from Greentree or some ridiculous game you play on paper.

I have heard this SCHEME bull**** every year since we lost to Ohio State in the Fiesta Bowl. Randy was to vanilla. Whipple to was to risky. 2 gap, 1 gap. The common denominator is our talent level has sucked for years. I don't give two ****s who will or is playing in the NFL.

But if the NFL is your guide, we haven't had a 1st round pick in 5 years.

On Defense here are the players drafted in the top 4 rounds:
2nd Round - Brandon Harris
3rd Round - Allen Bailey, O Vernon, Spence, DVD
4th round - Colin McCarthy, Daryl Sharpton

Brandon Harris, Spence, and DVD are not in the league.
Allen Baily has 20 career tackles and 2 sacks.
Vernon and McCarthy are the only 2 doing anything.
Sharpton is average. Hasn't had more than 35 tackles in season.

We had 2 ****ing players drafted last year..Mike James and Brandon McGee in the 6th and 5th round.
We sure as **** won't have any defensive players drafted this year unless perryman comes out although he is probably a 4th rounder.
The two defensive players with the most NFL talent on the team on defense are Bush, who has been hurt all year, and AQM, who has a shot to be a 1st rounder one day.

How is that talent?

Last 3 years NFL Drafts Top 4 rounds-Defense
North Carolina = 7
Florida St = 5
Georgia Tech = 4
Clemson = 6
UVA = 2
BC = 1
NC St = 1
Miami = Big Fat ****ing Zero

Any if you look at any moc drafts for 2014 and 2015, GT has two LB projected as 1/2 picks. FSU has 6. Clemson has 2.
MIAMI = 000000000000

But the lack of elite talent is only problem #1.

The biggest problem is the drop off from our so called NFl talent to guys like Highsmith, Green, Renfrow, Cain, Porter, Robinson, Rodgers, Cornelius, Gaines. These guys are undraftable 2/3 star recruits who we all hold in such high regard yet it is debateable if they would even be on the two on ALL of our major conference opponents.

You can't scheme your way out of that. Sorry Coach. Go back to the drawing board with your tired talking points.

This team's best players are freshman and sophomores. The cupboard was left empty when Shannon left and we are still haunted by his last two defensive classes. Golden has done a good but not great job of recruiting defense so he takes some of the blame but time will tell is Jenkins, Howard, Bush, AQM, Figs, Grace, Burns, Hamilton, McCord become impact players as the mature.

So after that ramble...here are the real problems.

1. We have a bifurcated team. Our best athletes are true freshman and sophomores and our most experienced guys are barely BCS level talent. If you are a coach, as I was for many years as a volunteer, you will clearly understand the difficulty of putting together a gameplan with your older guys not being athletic enough to execute and your younger guys not experienced enough to eliminate mental errors. You can't implement 2 systems so you are asking AJ Highsmith and Deon Bush to accomplish the same strategic goals. That is not a good spot to be in. The complaint was we were playing to much zone and now we are playing a bunch of man coverage and we are getting smoked on the ground. That is the downside of man coverage. It is very dangerous when you have a front 7 like ours. The good old blitz....who are you going to blitz? Gaines? Highsmith? They are to slow to put any pressure on the QB. If you blitz perryman, you now are putting Gaines or Cornelius in potential bad match ups as they are mismatch against just about every position player other than the Center. You want to disguise and get exotic, it can be complex for the young guys and they will make mental errors or you can have a slow and unathletic Highsmith get out of position because he can't get to his spot. We can't get pressure on the QB with our front 4 so you we are forced to send 5 or 6 which leaves huge holes in the defense in zone, or bad matchups with LBs and Safeties on RB and TE. See FSU game and Eric Ebron. To make matters worse, our blitzes arent effective because our players aren't atheltic enough to get pessure and not one DL commands a Double team so the protection can easily slide and go man up on the rushers.

2. I just ran through every game since and took out FAu and Savannah St. Our offense in 100 series has had only 43% of the drives last over 2 minutes and 25% were less than 3 minutes. That is the downside of our inconsistent QB and our boom or bust offense. Add in the turnovers and quite frankly, our defense is tired. If you know what the **** you are talking about, it is clear that our defense is worn out. The guys named above take the most snaps. The freshman are hitting walls. It is fatigue that leads to missed tackles and blown assignments in crunch time, and that is exactly what is happening in the last 3 games.

It is a pipe dream if you think that a change in scheme would do anything for our defense. They are untalented and beaten down. Add in that our offense is missing its 3 most explosive players in Duke, Dorsett and now Coley....you end up losing to DUKE.

I am tired of hearing your scheme BS. Our DL slants and stunts half the game so your 1 gap vs 2 gap argument is garbage. But you KNOW WHAT THE **** YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT....SO CARRY ON.
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Should be tacked in its own thread!!!!!! Actual facts to back up ,not potential because we seen them play in high school.
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No. It's pretty inaccurate factually.

Spence and Harris are both still in the league for starters. Harris had a great game for the Texans on Sunday. Sharpton is better than average but has had injuries. But I guess you'd have to actually pay attention to the NFL to know that

And quite frankly, anybody using the "talent" excuse for why we just gave up 500 yards to ******* Duke can go **** themselves. Sick of you ******s and the talent excuse.
 
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No one has allowed Duke more rushing or total yardage this season than Mimai.

Not Memphis.
Not NC Coastal.
Not Troy.
Not Navy.

I think it's obviously both talent and tactics.
 
CaneSB said:
WildcatDefense said:
When several players who showed promise (in other schemes) start looking like complete JAG's week after week that's coaching. That's scheme. That means you have guys out of position.
Click to expand...

Who showed promise in other schemes? These players are not "regressing," they were never good to begin with. You all just hype these kids up based on "insiders" from Greentree or some ridiculous game you play on paper.

I have heard this SCHEME bull**** every year since we lost to Ohio State in the Fiesta Bowl. Randy was to vanilla. Whipple to was to risky. 2 gap, 1 gap. The common denominator is our talent level has sucked for years. I don't give two ***** who will or is playing in the NFL.

But if the NFL is your guide, we haven't had a 1st round pick in 5 years.

On Defense here are the players drafted in the top 4 rounds:
2nd Round - Brandon Harris
3rd Round - Allen Bailey, O Vernon, Spence, DVD
4th round - Colin McCarthy, Daryl Sharpton

Brandon Harris, Spence, and DVD are not in the league.
Allen Baily has 20 career tackles and 2 sacks.
Vernon and McCarthy are the only 2 doing anything.
Sharpton is average. Hasn't had more than 35 tackles in season.

We had 2 ******* players drafted last year..Mike James and Brandon McGee in the 6th and 5th round.
We sure as **** won't have any defensive players drafted this year unless perryman comes out although he is probably a 4th rounder.
The two defensive players with the most NFL talent on the team on defense are Bush, who has been hurt all year, and AQM, who has a shot to be a 1st rounder one day.

How is that talent?

Last 3 years NFL Drafts Top 4 rounds-Defense
North Carolina = 7
Florida St = 5
Georgia Tech = 4
Clemson = 6
UVA = 2
BC = 1
NC St = 1
Miami = Big Fat ******* Zero

Any if you look at any moc drafts for 2014 and 2015, GT has two LB projected as 1/2 picks. FSU has 6. Clemson has 2.
MIAMI = 000000000000

But the lack of elite talent is only problem #1.

The biggest problem is the drop off from our so called NFl talent to guys like Highsmith, Green, Renfrow, Cain, Porter, Robinson, Rodgers, Cornelius, Gaines. These guys are undraftable 2/3 star recruits who we all hold in such high regard yet it is debateable if they would even be on the two on ALL of our major conference opponents.

You can't scheme your way out of that. Sorry Coach. Go back to the drawing board with your tired talking points.

This team's best players are freshman and sophomores. The cupboard was left empty when Shannon left and we are still haunted by his last two defensive classes. Golden has done a good but not great job of recruiting defense so he takes some of the blame but time will tell is Jenkins, Howard, Bush, AQM, Figs, Grace, Burns, Hamilton, McCord become impact players as the mature.

So after that ramble...here are the real problems.

1. We have a bifurcated team. Our best athletes are true freshman and sophomores and our most experienced guys are barely BCS level talent. If you are a coach, as I was for many years as a volunteer, you will clearly understand the difficulty of putting together a gameplan with your older guys not being athletic enough to execute and your younger guys not experienced enough to eliminate mental errors. You can't implement 2 systems so you are asking AJ Highsmith and Deon Bush to accomplish the same strategic goals. That is not a good spot to be in. The complaint was we were playing to much zone and now we are playing a bunch of man coverage and we are getting smoked on the ground. That is the downside of man coverage. It is very dangerous when you have a front 7 like ours. The good old blitz....who are you going to blitz? Gaines? Highsmith? They are to slow to put any pressure on the QB. If you blitz perryman, you now are putting Gaines or Cornelius in potential bad match ups as they are mismatch against just about every position player other than the Center. You want to disguise and get exotic, it can be complex for the young guys and they will make mental errors or you can have a slow and unathletic Highsmith get out of position because he can't get to his spot. We can't get pressure on the QB with our front 4 so you we are forced to send 5 or 6 which leaves huge holes in the defense in zone, or bad matchups with LBs and Safeties on RB and TE. See FSU game and Eric Ebron. To make matters worse, our blitzes arent effective because our players aren't atheltic enough to get pessure and not one DL commands a Double team so the protection can easily slide and go man up on the rushers.

2. I just ran through every game since and took out FAu and Savannah St. Our offense in 100 series has had only 43% of the drives last over 2 minutes and 25% were less than 3 minutes. That is the downside of our inconsistent QB and our boom or bust offense. Add in the turnovers and quite frankly, our defense is tired. If you know what the **** you are talking about, it is clear that our defense is worn out. The guys named above take the most snaps. The freshman are hitting walls. It is fatigue that leads to missed tackles and blown assignments in crunch time, and that is exactly what is happening in the last 3 games.

It is a pipe dream if you think that a change in scheme would do anything for our defense. They are untalented and beaten down. Add in that our offense is missing its 3 most explosive players in Duke, Dorsett and now Coley....you end up losing to DUKE.

I am tired of hearing your scheme BS. Our DL slants and stunts half the game so your 1 gap vs 2 gap argument is garbage. But you KNOW WHAT THE **** YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT....SO CARRY ON.
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You're out of your god **** mind. Pierre, Porter, Robinson and Chickillo ALL looked better when they weren't 2-gapping. I don't give a **** about Greentree, I'm talking about what I seen with my own eyes. Porter used to absolutely man-handle people when he was allowed to fire off the ball.

You can get tired of my "scheme BS" all you want to but I know my ****, point blank. I don't wanna hear the talent excuse cause I've been coordinating defenses with no talent for years. If you don't have talent across the board, you come up with ways to make the talent you do have look good. 2-gapping is not the way!

LOL @ our D-line slants half the time. Open your ******' eyes dude. Be objective and stop using blind faith. The only time our DL stunts is on 3rd & long.

Our guys aren't athletic enough to get to the QB on a blitz? Bull****. You design blitz schemes that will allow them to run free. You don't ask them to beat O-linemen. That's what you do. That's what all the good DC's do.

Were these guys I'm speaking of ever All Americans? No. But they sure as **** looked better previously. Porter, Chickillo, Pierre and Robinson all looked better. Only a blind fool couldn't see that.

This ******' talent excuse is garbage. WE JUST GOT RAN UP AND DOWN THE FIELD BY DUKE, *******. DUKE!!!


Take your ******' volunteer coaching *** on somewhere.
 
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This crap about not having enough talent has got to stop. We sure as **** have more talent than frickin Duke!!!
 
You're out of your god **** mind. Pierre, Porter, Robinson and Chickillo ALL looked better when they weren't 2-gapping. I don't give a **** about Greentree, I'm talking about what I seen with my own eyes. Porter used to absolutely man-handle people when he was allowed to fire off the ball.

You can get tired of my "scheme BS" all you want to but I know my ****, point blank. I don't wanna hear the talent excuse cause I've been coordinating defenses with no talent for years. If you don't have talent across the board, you come up with ways to make the talent you do have look good. 2-gapping is not the way!

LOL @ our D-line slants half the time. Open your ****in' eyes dude. Be objective and stop using blind faith. The only time our DL stunts is on 3rd & long.

Our guys aren't athletic enough to get to the QB on a blitz? Bull****. You design blitz schemes that will allow them to run free. You don't ask them to beat O-linemen. That's what you do. That's what all the good DC's do.

Were these guys I'm speaking of ever All Americans? No. But they sure as **** looked better previously. Porter, Chickillo, Pierre and Robinson all looked better. Only a blind fool couldn't see that.

This ****in' talent excuse is garbage. WE JUST GOT RAN UP AND DOWN THE FIELD BY DUKE, *******. DUKE!!!

High school d- line coach is a volunteer right? If you don't see it's both x and o and jimmy and joe. You are blind.
 
WildcatDefense said:
Guys who have gotten worse this year and are having the worst seasons of their career.

*Chickillo
*Robinson
*Porter
*Bush
*Perryman?
*Pierre

Am I forgetting anybody else?

Chickillo, Pierre, Robinson and Porter all looked 10x better in the 1-gap 4-3.
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Something is definitely up with these guys listed but only those within the progam know for sure. What i can see watching tape is several guys seem slower than last year, lack burst. The first that stands out on tape is Olsen Pierre. I thought he was coming into his own last season as our best Dlineman and this year he looks average at best. He gets no burst off the line like last season and when he mans up on guys he gets pushed back. The second....Perryman. He's still a tackling machine but he doesn't fly around like he did last year, when he was a heat seeking missle. He looks a step slow.

Oh...and Jimmy Gaines may be the slowest back 7 guy on the entire roster. He should never be in on pass downs.

Are these guys only training for size/strength now? Are they just tired from playing so many snaps? I can't tell but it's quite obvious that we don't have Miami speed anymore.
 
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PSU Cane said:
WildcatDefense said:
Guys who have gotten worse this year and are having the worst seasons of their career.

*Chickillo
*Robinson
*Porter
*Bush
*Perryman?
*Pierre

Am I forgetting anybody else?

Chickillo, Pierre, Robinson and Porter all looked 10x better in the 1-gap 4-3.
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Something is definitely up with these guys listed but only those within the progam know for sure. What i can see watching tape is several guys seem slower than last year, lack burst. The first that stands out on tape is Olsen Pierre. I thought he was coming into his own last season as our best Dlineman and this year he looks average at best. He gets no burst off the line like last season and when he mans up on guys he gets pushed back. The second....Perryman. He's still a tackling machine but he doesn't fly around like he did last year, when he was a heat seeking missle. He looks a step slow.

Oh...and Jimmy Gaines may be the slowest back 7 guy on the entire roster. He should never be in on pass downs.

Are these guys only training for size/strength now? Are they just tired from playing so many snaps? I can't tell but it's quite obvious that we don't have Miami speed anymore.
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When has Swasey ever been able to handle agility/speed AND strength? And don't give me marching orders. You think Les Miles holds Tommy Moffits hand???? Golden doesn't know how to run a big time BCS S and C program. Was never in or around one. That's why he should have hired someone who does, instead of keeping a guy who didn't get it done for TWO failed corches.
 
LuCane said:
WildcatDefense said:
Guys who have gotten worse this year and are having the worst seasons of their career.

*Chickillo
*Robinson
*Porter
*Bush
*Perryman?
*Pierre

Am I forgetting anybody else?

Chickillo, Pierre, Robinson and Porter all looked 10x better in the 1-gap 4-3.
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Highsmith looks worse than ANY PLAYER has ever looked here. Seriously. Porter looks far worse than he has ever looked. His biggest advantage was the burst he had off the line.

I thought Pierre had a good chance of working himself into an All-Conference player. I still think he'll get a look in the NFL.
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FIFY
 
It's year 3. We should not be complaining about talent. He's brought in 3 classses. He could have gotten some **** JUCOs to take Highsmith spot if there is really no one better than him. That's how a ton of teams rebuild fast. There are no excuses in year 3, it's on golden.
 
The kid that puzzles me the most is Chick

This kid was an All-american...Beat out J. Clowney for the MVP at the Under Armour game

and is looking like he is getting worse as the years go on for him...What is the deal
 
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