Pete Carroll says it perfectly:

[SFbayCane]

You do what your players are capable of doing. If you go beyond that, you are asking for trouble.

Or in our case, we do what our defensive coordinator is capable of doing.

 

[Dingaan1828]

You do what your players are capable of doing. If you go beyond that, you are asking for trouble.

Or in our case, we do what our defensive coordinator is capable of doing.

Either D'Onofrio doesn't recognize that they aren't capable of doing what he wants. Or, he's not capable of teaching what he wants. Either way, it's on him.

 

[rudebuddha]

It's obvious that this defense is too complicated for our players, but Golden and D'onofrio are either too stubborn or too stupid to figure it out.

either me or you totally missed the point of OP's post. golden believes in a simple scheme. we just don;t have good enough talent on D yet.

It's you. The OP was saying that our scheme is too complicated and that we should follow the likes of Carroll and Johnson.

Isn't our defense the same defense that Carroll runs in Seattle?

If you don't have the talent no defense will be dominant.
We are weak up the middle on all 3 levels and good teams have exploited this with great success.

 

[The Franchise]

It's obvious that this defense is too complicated for our players, but Golden and D'onofrio are either too stubborn or too stupid to figure it out.

either me or you totally missed the point of OP's post. golden believes in a simple scheme. we just don;t have good enough talent on D yet.

It's you. The OP was saying that our scheme is too complicated and that we should follow the likes of Carroll and Johnson.

Isn't our defense the same defense that Carroll runs in Seattle?

If you don't have the talent no defense will be dominant.
We are weak up the middle on all 3 levels and good teams have exploited this with great success.

Comparing a college defense to an NFL defense is a really bad idea for a couple reasons: NFL players are NFL players with NFL skills and NFL brains; NFL players have unlimited time to practice and learn the schemes unlike college players who have 20 hours per week with only about 16 or less of those spent with coaches.

 

[FullyERicht]

It's obvious that this defense is too complicated for our players, but Golden and D'onofrio are either too stubborn or too stupid to figure it out.

either me or you totally missed the point of OP's post. golden believes in a simple scheme. we just don;t have good enough talent on D yet.

It's you. The OP was saying that our scheme is too complicated and that we should follow the likes of Carroll and Johnson.

Isn't our defense the same defense that Carroll runs in Seattle?

If you don't have the talent no defense will be dominant.
We are weak up the middle on all 3 levels and good teams have exploited this with great success.

Not the same defense at all. They are a base Under front with a 2-gap DE/DT, and the rest of the DL (including a standup DE) are single gap defenders. Their sub packages are a 4-3 Over and a Bear front. They rarely if ever line up in an Okie front.

They play a ton of cover 1 and when they play Cover 3, they still press at the line so as to a) disguise coverage b) mess with timing but still play zone against spread offenses.

Carroll has a huge pair of balls and forces teams to be perfect to beat him.

 

[FullyERicht]

It's obvious that this defense is too complicated for our players, but Golden and D'onofrio are either too stubborn or too stupid to figure it out.

either me or you totally missed the point of OP's post. golden believes in a simple scheme. we just don;t have good enough talent on D yet.

It's you. The OP was saying that our scheme is too complicated and that we should follow the likes of Carroll and Johnson.

Isn't our defense the same defense that Carroll runs in Seattle?

If you don't have the talent no defense will be dominant.
We are weak up the middle on all 3 levels and good teams have exploited this with great success.

Not the same defense at all. They are a base Under front with a 2-gap DE/DT, and the rest of the DL (including a standup DE) are single gap defenders. Their sub packages are a 4-3 Over and a Bear front. They rarely if ever line up in an Okie front.

They play a ton of cover 1 and when they play Cover 3, they still press at the line so as to a) disguise coverage b) mess with timing but still play zone against spread offenses.

Carroll has a huge pair of balls and forces teams to be perfect to beat him.

 

[Bennubird]

Agreed. And this confusion prevents younger more talented players from getting on the field.

I'm a firm believer that as a DC your goal should be to confuse the opponent with different looks. You shouldn't make your defense too confusing for YOUR players by asking them to think too much.

I've always felt the best defenses move around a lot before the snap and fake a lot of looks that make the opposing QB and OL think something's up. They don't know what's coming or from where it's coming based on pre-snap movement, etc, and THEY get confused. We don't give any different looks, but WE are always confused in our defense.

 

[Coach Macho]

If you can't generate pressure to get to the QB or stop the run using your front 7, it doesn't matter what scheme or design you put on your defense, you are going to be terrible. Our pass rush is a complete joke, and VT and Duke gashed our DL over and over again on simple runs.

If we don't somehow fix our DL, our defense isn't going to improve at all.

Ever stop and ask yourself WHY our pass rush sucks and if it has anything to do with scheme?

 

[AUcane]

Let's not ignore the fact that while we recruit an insane amount of gifted athletes, the area ain't exactly known for it's academic prowess.

Cmon, amigo, you know better than to throw the ol' "our guys aren't smart enough" routine. Does FSU have Rhodes Scholars? Does UF? Does Loserville?

 

[Coach Macho]

Majority of the players on defense right now aren't even from South Florida.

 

[The Franchise]

You can see our defense is confused. It's easy to see because they play slow and too many guys are wide open on too many plays. When you take all these highly pursued recruits, and they look like they're all running in quicksand, then you know they're trying to process too much information. Paralysis by over-analysis.

We need to get back to playing downhill and quit overburdening our players with too much info.

 

[Dynasty]

You can see our defense is confused. It's easy to see because they play slow and too many guys are wide open on too many plays. When you take all these highly pursued recruits, and they look like they're all running in quicksand, then you know they're trying to process too much information. Paralysis by over-analysis.

We need to get back to playing downhill and quit overburdening our players with too much info.

And that is what Pete Carroll basically stated in an article about the defense he uses at Seattle verses the one ran at USC. The players simply couldn't handle the information on the collegiate level.

Here's the article:http://http://www.bigcatcountry.com/2013/1/19/3890928/gus-bradley-defense-leo-position

 

[Ari Gold]

Son of a ***** I hate that **** Dorito. Taking SoFla Talent and making them think too hard and not allowing their natural savage instincts to take over.

 

[Dynasty]

You can see our defense is confused. It's easy to see because they play slow and too many guys are wide open on too many plays. When you take all these highly pursued recruits, and they look like they're all running in quicksand, then you know they're trying to process too much information. Paralysis by over-analysis.

We need to get back to playing downhill and quit overburdening our players with too much info.

And that is what Pete Carroll basically stated in an article about the defense he uses at Seattle verses the one ran at USC. The players simply couldn't handle the information on the collegiate level.

Here's the article:http://www.bigcatcountry.com/2013/1/19/3890928/gus-bradley-defense-leo-position

 

[Hurracanes]

Shoot, I'll be impressed the day our Defense can line up on time for for every play in a game. Can't blame that on the players.

 

[LuCane]

The interesting thing is you don't have to teach or implement difficult reads to have what comes off as a more "complex" scheme. As an extreme example, in many of the fire zone concepts that people label as complex, the most difficult positions are likely at DE and LB, and that's because of too many responsibilities.

Would love to see more fire Zone concepts next year.

I would love to see us execute simple zone concepts first. I'm in agreement with those who say we should find something we can execute with consistency. Whether it is cover-2, cover-3 or cover-4. Find a core then build from there.

You know I love fire zone concepts, and I actually agree it's probably just wrong for this team right now. First of all, none of it matters on its own anyway. Tell me how we're going to play up front, first and foremost, and then pick a matching style for the back 6, 7, or 8.

 

[Coach Macho]

The interesting thing is you don't have to teach or implement difficult reads to have what comes off as a more "complex" scheme. As an extreme example, in many of the fire zone concepts that people label as complex, the most difficult positions are likely at DE and LB, and that's because of too many responsibilities.

Would love to see more fire Zone concepts next year.

I would love to see us execute simple zone concepts first. I'm in agreement with those who say we should find something we can execute with consistency. Whether it is cover-2, cover-3 or cover-4. Find a core then build from there.

You know I love fire zone concepts, and I actually agree it's probably just wrong for this team right now. First of all, none of it matters on its own anyway. Tell me how we're going to play up front, first and foremost, and then pick a matching style for the back 6, 7, or 8.

Exactly.

 

[Dynasty]

The interesting thing is you don't have to teach or implement difficult reads to have what comes off as a more "complex" scheme. As an extreme example, in many of the fire zone concepts that people label as complex, the most difficult positions are likely at DE and LB, and that's because of too many responsibilities.

Would love to see more fire Zone concepts next year.

I would love to see us execute simple zone concepts first. I'm in agreement with those who say we should find something we can execute with consistency. Whether it is cover-2, cover-3 or cover-4. Find a core then build from there.

You know I love fire zone concepts, and I actually agree it's probably just wrong for this team right now. First of all, none of it matters on its own anyway. Tell me how we're going to play up front, first and foremost, and then pick a matching style for the back 6, 7, or 8.

Precisely. Honestly, I think our defensive system is broken no other way to describe it. Our core coverage appears to be cover-3, yet we can't stop the run with eight defenders in the box and catch holy **** containing short to intermediate passing game with four underneath. Couple that with no pass rush, and you have the Miami defense.

I don't know what the solution is, but I would suggest returning to traditional Miami defensive principles of field an attacking, penetrating scheme based on speed and athleticism. The back seven centered around one true linebacker and safeties/safety types (OLB/Nic) that are capable of playing effective man to man defense. The reasoning is because to be an effective pressure defense against both the run and pass you need to be able to effectively play cover-1. JMO.

 

[bomb]

It's obvious that this defense is too complicated for our players, but Golden and D'onofrio are either too stubborn or too stupid to figure it out.

I think what's obvious is that you haven't a clue.

 

[miamifan007]

KISS. Keep It Simple Stupid.