OT: Great (Scathing) Comments on College Football

[ThomasM]

What does JR know about anything? It's not the universities job to hold your hand, at some point you have to take responsibility for yourself. It's a path to the NFL? Yeah, if you want to make millions of dollars for playing a sport you're gonna have to put in some work just like all the other guys. It's not a hand out. There are tons of kids who'd love to get free school. ****ing millennials crying about having to put in work to get a free education and maybe earn millions of dollars.

In my opinion most of them aren't getting an education at all, but are being used to make millions of dollars for their "school". Yeah, they should take advantage of that free education, but when the universities are letting them get in and pass through without learning a **** thing, in order to put a better product on the field, which path will most kids take? They are told by everyone that they will make millions one day if they work hard on the field. These schools should be ashamed of themselves. Education should be priority number 1, NOT letting kids skate by because they are making your school money. Even when most of them make millions, they are broke soon after leaving the NFL. The entire college football system is set up to take advantage of these young men, nothing more. It's **** sure not to educate them.

you pretend to care about these kids, then you remove all agency from them as if they are incapable of making their own choices.


and lol at you guys acting as if most college kids obtain an education simply because they have a degree. i have news for you: the phenomenon of obtaining a degree without much of an education to show for it is not unique to only the college athlete.

What the living **** are you talking about? I never said kids are educated because they got a degree. I said that student athletes that make millions of dollars for their school are passed through, education be damned.

And yeah, they have some personal responsibility when it comes to their education. However, many of these kids were never taught the importance of education, but rather the importance of sport. Education to many of them was getting just enough grades to get to the next level. Then many of them have grown up leaches/handlers trying to skim a little for themselves. Man, it's a problem, but keep your head in the sand.

Very few universities care about these young men. I believe that's a big reason Richt has success in recruiting. He can sit down with the parents/parent and let them know their child will be taken care of. I don't mean passed through so they can get to the NFL kind of taken care of.

 

[DerekDohrman]

He's spot on....and he's worth more to UCLA than the value of his free education so F outta here with that BS

playing football is worth more to the kid than the value of focusing more on his education

 

[DerekDohrman]

What does JR know about anything? It's not the universities job to hold your hand, at some point you have to take responsibility for yourself. It's a path to the NFL? Yeah, if you want to make millions of dollars for playing a sport you're gonna have to put in some work just like all the other guys. It's not a hand out. There are tons of kids who'd love to get free school. ****ing millennials crying about having to put in work to get a free education and maybe earn millions of dollars.

In my opinion most of them aren't getting an education at all, but are being used to make millions of dollars for their "school". Yeah, they should take advantage of that free education, but when the universities are letting them get in and pass through without learning a **** thing, in order to put a better product on the field, which path will most kids take? They are told by everyone that they will make millions one day if they work hard on the field. These schools should be ashamed of themselves. Education should be priority number 1, NOT letting kids skate by because they are making your school money. Even when most of them make millions, they are broke soon after leaving the NFL. The entire college football system is set up to take advantage of these young men, nothing more. It's **** sure not to educate them.

you pretend to care about these kids, then you remove all agency from them as if they are incapable of making their own choices.


and lol at you guys acting as if most college kids obtain an education simply because they have a degree. i have news for you: the phenomenon of obtaining a degree without much of an education to show for it is not unique to only the college athlete.

I said that student athletes that make millions of dollars for their school are passed through, education be damned.

and i said that this is not a phenomenon unique to the student athlete. further, you show your bias by only caring about the well-being of the guys playing the sport that makes you happy.

 

[kryptonite]

What does JR know about anything? It's not the universities job to hold your hand, at some point you have to take responsibility for yourself. It's a path to the NFL? Yeah, if you want to make millions of dollars for playing a sport you're gonna have to put in some work just like all the other guys. It's not a hand out. There are tons of kids who'd love to get free school. ****ing millennials crying about having to put in work to get a free education and maybe earn millions of dollars.

that wasn't his point

What does JR know about anything? It's not the universities job to hold your hand, at some point you have to take responsibility for yourself. It's a path to the NFL? Yeah, if you want to make millions of dollars for playing a sport you're gonna have to put in some work just like all the other guys. It's not a hand out. There are tons of kids who'd love to get free school. ****ing millennials crying about having to put in work to get a free education and maybe earn millions of dollars.

Ever been told you missed the point before? Because that **** shot way past your head.

I got his point, I just don't want to hear it because it just sounds like whining. I went back to school to get another degree but I had a job and a family. Guess what, there were quite a few courses that were offered at times I couldn't take them because I was at work or needed to be with my children. You think anybody was there trying to keep me eligible? **** no there wasn't. That's life, it's hard sometimes. You want the prize? Put in the work. Guess what? The struggle he's talking about isn't new. Dudes have been doing it for a long time. Did you get 8 hours off sleep a night while you were in college? I know I didn't. Cry me a river Josh. If football doesn't work with your major, then you've got a choice to make don't you. Could you even go to UCLA without football Josh? Sorry you have to work hard to get what you want. Some degrees are worth more, it's the same for everyone not just football players. I'm sure there are benefits to having a degree from UCLA and not Alabama. That's why some schools are harder to get into.

As somebody who works full time and goes to school, I get your point. The thing is that as an adult (a real adult, not a 19 YO) I can more easily see what life has to offer and choose how hard I want to work. These kids have never gotten up at the crack of dawn to go to a sht job and make little money, so they don't even know what they don't want to do yet.

I don't see it as whining, especially as it's coming from a kid who doesn't need football to be successful. Rosen comes from a well to do family, he'll have plenty of support and guidance if the NFL doesn't work out. How many of these SFLA kids can say the same? They're being given an "education" but then told not to put too much effort into that...just like they've always been told.

In the end, everybody is responsible for themselves, but let's be honest about the fact that the system sucks. People make huge money and the kids get a half-*** education with a few of them getting a shot at the NFL as a bonus.

 

[BigDikCane]

Crying about college and all the ***** free benefits that come with it... smh. He needs to talk to Ken Dorsey

 

[Tetragrammaton Cane]

Rosen's point is fair. People are taking it as a dig at Alabama when he was only addressing the relationship between that level of success and being more stringent in admissions. Fact: Stanford can recruit far fewer athletes than Alabama (or Miami, for that matter). He also clearly talks about how some of the money being made should go towards a COMMITMENT to educate student-athletes; regardless of whether they were properly prepared before they got to college. This is a valid point.

Comments like Rosen's that are sympathetic to the college athlete always brings out the people who hate athletes; who erroneously say that athletes are getting a "free education". Can't be free, by definition, if there's a trade of any sort. Freedom of movement? No. If you try to transfer they make you ineligible for a year where you can't pay for your education with scholarship money. Yet no restraint of trade? Freedom to make money in a capitalist society? No. See UCF kicker loses scholarship for making money on social media. Freedom to unionize? No. Freedom to sell your trade to the highest bidder? Not overtly. See Tunsil, Laramy and Ole Miss. And, if that athlete isn't as good as some thought they could be, although working as hard as they can, they can still lose their scholarship; or, in the case of ravenous fans who could give a **** about them, "earn" the label of JAG. It's not so dumb that someone actually made it up, but that others actually didn't have the sense to refrain from repeating it. Freedom to use your education? See, Sapp, Warren memory loss and other athletes quitting.

I love college football and I love the Canes, but I would be a liar or a fool not to acknowledge that at major programs the schools hold all the cards. And as I look at the post card addressed to me about possible concussion litigation class action...So, when these kids complain, I listen. It's got nothing to do with throwing around politically charged words like millennials, entitled, soft, etc., it has to do with recognizing that we can and should do more when winning football teams mean funded women's sports, half billion dollar stadiums, $4 million + coaches and increased enrollment and university recognition.

Yes, the athletes have gotten screwed in this negotiation.

 

[kryptonite]

Rosen's point is fair. People are taking it as a dig at Alabama when he was only addressing the relationship between that level of success and being more stringent in admissions. Fact: Stanford can recruit far fewer athletes than Alabama (or Miami, for that matter). He also clearly talks about how some of the money being made should go towards a COMMITMENT to educate student-athletes; regardless of whether they were properly prepared before they got to college. This is a valid point.

Comments like Rosen's that are sympathetic to the college athlete always brings out the people who hate athletes; who erroneously say that athletes are getting a "free education". Can't be free, by definition, if there's a trade of any sort. Freedom of movement? No. If you try to transfer they make you ineligible for a year where you can't pay for your education with scholarship money. Yet no restraint of trade? Freedom to make money in a capitalist society? No. See UCF kicker loses scholarship for making money on social media. Freedom to unionize? No. Freedom to sell your trade to the highest bidder? Not overtly. See Tunsil, Laramy and Ole Miss. And, if that athlete isn't as good as some thought they could be, although working as hard as they can, they can still lose their scholarship; or, in the case of ravenous fans who could give a **** about them, "earn" the label of JAG. It's not so dumb that someone actually made it up, but that others actually didn't have the sense to refrain from repeating it. Freedom to use your education? See, Sapp, Warren memory loss and other athletes quitting.

I love college football and I love the Canes, but I would be a liar or a fool not to acknowledge that at major programs the schools hold all the cards. And as I look at the post card addressed to me about possible concussion litigation class action...So, when these kids complain, I listen. It's got nothing to do with throwing around politically charged words like millennials, entitled, soft, etc., it has to do with recognizing that we can and should do more when winning football teams mean funded women's sports, half billion dollar stadiums, $4 million + coaches and increased enrollment and university recognition.

Yes, the athletes have gotten screwed in this negotiation.

I still think you're a troll, but I have to agree with all this. Well said.

 

[DTP]

Lets' be honest. A majority of full scholarship athletes would never get into school if not for athletic ability. Some just aren't good enough students, others have been coddled because of their on field abilities and only do the bare minimum to keep eligible. Of course the coaches are going to push them towards the simple classes in college just to keep them eligible. Are they supposed to tell a kid who graduated high school with a C minus average in remedial courses that he should pursue an engineering degree?

Also, the BS about football players not being able to handle the course load of a tougher degree is exactly that. BS. I know a smart guy who was also a great football players who accepted a scholarship to play at a powerhouse school. He knew he was going to get a free 5 year education (he redshirted) and he took advantage of it. He had his bachelor's after three years and by the time his eligibility was exhausted, he was only a couple credit hours short of his master's. Of course it wasn't easy but he took advantage of the free schooling.

 

[kryptonite]

Lets' be honest. A majority of full scholarship athletes would never get into school if not for athletic ability. Some just aren't good enough students, others have been coddled because of their on field abilities and only do the bare minimum to keep eligible. Of course the coaches are going to push them towards the simple classes in college just to keep them eligible. Are they supposed to tell a kid who graduated high school with a C minus average in remedial courses that he should pursue an engineering degree?

Also, the BS about football players not being able to handle the course load of a tougher degree is exactly that. BS. I know a smart guy who was also a great football players who accepted a scholarship to play at a powerhouse school. He knew he was going to get a free 5 year education (he redshirted) and he took advantage of it. He had his bachelor's after three years and by the time his eligibility was exhausted, he was only a couple credit hours short of his master's. Of course it wasn't easy but he took advantage of the free schooling.

So you say that these are C- students who are only in college because they're good at football, but then you expect them to crank out a BS in 3 years?

I think everybody is doing the best they can, but if you care about education the system is broken. Poor kids who do well in football are told to ignore school as much as possible to concentrate on football, so they get low grades. Because they have low grades, they're encouraged to take the easiest classes in college to maintain eligibility. Only 1.5% (Estimated probability of competing in professional athletics | NCAA.org - The Official Site of the NCAA) of them make it to the NFL, leaving almost all of them with no degree or a weak degree and little actual knowledge. At this point they are no longer useful as sources of income so everybody who cared so much starts to ignore them.

As I said before, responsibility ultimately resides with the individual. But as a person who believes in fairness, I think this system is deeply unfair to the players.

 

[DTP]

The real answer is to go ahead with a full on minor league football system where kids can get drafted out of high school or attend school on a scholarship if they so want. It would significantly water down college football and the NFL would be ****ed because they would have to pay for minor league franchises like MLB does but it's the only way you can get rid of the argument about college athletics and education not going hand in hand.

It's not fun for the fans though. Use baseball as an example. NCAA baseball is hampered by the fact that most of the best players never participate in it. It's watered down, although still somewhat enjoyable in a "school pride" sort of way. Minor league baseball is a non entity to most sports fans. Even though they get the best players nobody cares to watch it besides the small crowds that show up in po-dunk towns with nothing else to do besides watch minor league baseball.

It's curious that the number of guys who sign a minor league contract out of high school but fizzle out in the minors is hardly ever mentioned. The early round picks at least are usually compensated with big signing bonuses but most draftees don't make jack until they reach the majors and sign a major league deal.

 

[DTP]

Lets' be honest. A majority of full scholarship athletes would never get into school if not for athletic ability. Some just aren't good enough students, others have been coddled because of their on field abilities and only do the bare minimum to keep eligible. Of course the coaches are going to push them towards the simple classes in college just to keep them eligible. Are they supposed to tell a kid who graduated high school with a C minus average in remedial courses that he should pursue an engineering degree?

Also, the BS about football players not being able to handle the course load of a tougher degree is exactly that. BS. I know a smart guy who was also a great football players who accepted a scholarship to play at a powerhouse school. He knew he was going to get a free 5 year education (he redshirted) and he took advantage of it. He had his bachelor's after three years and by the time his eligibility was exhausted, he was only a couple credit hours short of his master's. Of course it wasn't easy but he took advantage of the free schooling.

So you say that these are C- students who are only in college because they're good at football, but then you expect them to crank out a BS in 3 years?
.

No expect the C- students to be C- students. There are plenty of guys on scholarship who somehow find a way to earn a legit degree. Just not a majority of them.

 

[wugambi812]

Lets' be honest. A majority of full scholarship athletes would never get into school if not for athletic ability. Some just aren't good enough students, others have been coddled because of their on field abilities and only do the bare minimum to keep eligible. Of course the coaches are going to push them towards the simple classes in college just to keep them eligible. Are they supposed to tell a kid who graduated high school with a C minus average in remedial courses that he should pursue an engineering degree?

Also, the BS about football players not being able to handle the course load of a tougher degree is exactly that. BS. I know a smart guy who was also a great football players who accepted a scholarship to play at a powerhouse school. He knew he was going to get a free 5 year education (he redshirted) and he took advantage of it. He had his bachelor's after three years and by the time his eligibility was exhausted, he was only a couple credit hours short of his master's. Of course it wasn't easy but he took advantage of the free schooling.

It's not BS man. I'm a UM grad and I remember the amount of fb players I had in my introductory classes Freshman and Sophomore year and how few I had in my classes Junior and Senior year. He has a point, the kid wants to get his MBA and take upper level Econ classes. Remember Robert Smith LEFT OSU because he wanted to take an advanced chemistry class that the coaches thought would require too much "non-football" time. We can all concede there are certain majors that take more time and effort to get through than others. A kid that truly wants to succeed at the highest level in like Bio or Chem is deterred a lot of the time and sent to a less demanding major for the sake of keeping them eligible. The effect that has on their future earning power if they don't go to the league can be dramatic. Even as a manager for a team at UM I had access to an adviser who would direct me to certain classes/sections that were less rigorous. He's gonna graduate in 3 years and will be fine, but his point is a valid one. I worked in college and was a full time student and the football player's schedules with workouts, practice etc were insane to me.

 

[OriginalCanesCanesCanes]

College athletes work their asses off like nobody's business if they want to be good at football and stay eligible in the classroom.

Some of them have to work even harder because of a lifetime of not focusing on academics.

But when it's all said and done, in spite of some of the intrinsic unfairness, it's a privelige for them to be afforded the opportunity, which many people like them under similar circumstances do not get, because they are not as good at football.

At UM, they can always come back for their degrees, FOR FREE, and some even get advanced graduate degrees.

People can whine all they want, but these athletes will be better off if they fully take advantages of the opportunities afforded them and their lives will be immeasurably better than those similar to them that didn't have the advantages afforded by a major college scholarship.

I know several Cane graduates that are in the business world that came from less than ideal circumstances that parlayed their degrees into a successful post football life.

All it took was their hard work.

So while more needs to be done to help transition some of the laggards into being productive members of society, the opportunities are there for those willing to work for them. Sadly, some just don't want to put in the work. There is very little that can be done for them.

 

[FAKE Chip Brierre]

look at all these ignorant "oh athletes make millions for the school" while that is true, the universities have formed a platform for which to generate the revenue.

if player A doesn't sign with a school, then the school will sign another willing and capable player who will bring the revenue.

it's not the athletes that generate but the name and fanbase of all the schools that really generate the money. the universities and NCAA should and do hold all the cards here. we all know that the high school football players have no viable options.

 

[Tetragrammaton Cane]

Not trying to deemphasize the importance of a degree and the point is moot about some needing to work harder; I'm just saying the game is rigged despite the so called privilege.

-kids should be able to transfer at will; no sitting out a year, even in conference. Coaches don't (Coley, ACC; Muschamp, SEC; Johnson, B1G etc. but AD's and coaches have to approve transfers? KSU)
-I don't believe in recruiting violations. Laissez-faire. Highest bidder, if that's important to the recruit.
-kids should be able to make money. Entrepreneurship may be more valuable a life skill than the possible degree. And jobs are about the dignity of work, not people taking care of what they believe your needs are. That teaches responsibility. Congrats to Chad Thomas for having an approved (for now) side hustle.

We shy away from their independence and wonder why they're dependent.

 

[kryptonite]

College athletes work their asses off like nobody's business if they want to be good at football and stay eligible in the classroom.

Some of them have to work even harder because of a lifetime of not focusing on academics.

But when it's all said and done, in spite of some of the intrinsic unfairness, it's a privelige for them to be afforded the opportunity, which many people like them under similar circumstances do not get, because they are not as good at football.

At UM, they can always come back for their degrees, FOR FREE, and some even get advanced graduate degrees.

People can whine all they want, but these athletes will be better off if they fully take advantages of the opportunities afforded them and their lives will be immeasurably better than those similar to them that didn't have the advantages afforded by a major college scholarship.

I know several Cane graduates that are in the business world that came from less than ideal circumstances that parlayed their degrees into a successful post football life.

All it took was their hard work.

So while more needs to be done to help transition some of the laggards into being productive members of society, the opportunities are there for those willing to work for them. Sadly, some just don't want to put in the work. There is very little that can be done for them.

Just because you struggle with what amounts to 2 full time jobs doesn't mean you don't want to work. It takes a ton of work to just get by, I don't think it's within most people to do well at both things. I know I had enough trouble with school that there's no way I could have played football too. As an adult I think I could pull it off, but it would still be a struggle. Not sure why you think kids, especially ones who have grown up being told to do the minimum in school and put all their energy into football, would be likely to succeed.

 

[Tetragrammaton Cane]

look at all these ignorant "oh athletes make millions for the school" while that is true, the universities have formed a platform for which to generate the revenue.

if player A doesn't sign with a school, then the school will sign another willing and capable player who will bring the revenue.

it's not the athletes that generate but the name and fanbase of all the schools that really generate the money. the universities and NCAA should and do hold all the cards here. we all know that the high school football players have no viable options.

You couldn't be more wrong.

1. It's a fact that winning teams generate more branding for a school than alumni, school, fans. Alabama now admits more out of state students then instate for the first time. Reason? Football. The same can be said for Miami's history. Any honest administrator will tell you that. How'd you miss it?

2. Platform from which to make money... I'll just stop the nonsense as almost all universities and definitely all the ones that play major college football are non-profits. Is their mission to educate or make money? Now throw in that the only schools that make money are the winningest programs and it becomes near criminal to choose to not educate all students (hey, they admitted them, they're responsible for educating them)

3. Fanbase's don't do anything but live vicariously through the kids that are being taken advantage of; the athletes generate the name. Miami's fan base didn't popularize "The U", the players did. ****, the Cane "fanbase" can barely bother to come to games. The "fanbase" gives itself far too much credit for something they have zero responsibility for. But they're real good at praising these kids when they do well/win and throwing them away or calling them JAGs when they don't pan out.

4. As for "...signing another kid...". LOL. You can't win with any old kids. Any old kids get bitter at the good kids and say things like "you're getting a free education" because they mistakenly believe that the "free" scholarships would be their's if only for those unqualified/criminal kids who don't belong, but the facts are that they wouldn't take any old kids if they were the only athletes left. Witness Miami using less than 75 of available 85 scholarships. Any old kids can rootand be bitter about kids who actually have athletic talent they lack.

 

[Cane Dynasty]

look at all these ignorant "oh athletes make millions for the school" while that is true, the universities have formed a platform for which to generate the revenue.

if player A doesn't sign with a school, then the school will sign another willing and capable player who will bring the revenue.

it's not the athletes that generate but the name and fanbase of all the schools that really generate the money. the universities and NCAA should and do hold all the cards here. we all know that the high school football players have no viable options.

You couldn't be more wrong.

1. It's a fact that winning teams generate more branding for a school than alumni, school, fans. Alabama now admits more out of state students then instate for the first time. Reason? Football. The same can be said for Miami's history. Any honest administrator will tell you that. How'd you miss it?

2. Platform from which to make money... I'll just stop the nonsense as almost all universities and definitely all the ones that play major college football are non-profits. Is their mission to educate or make money? Now throw in that the only schools that make money are the winningest programs and it becomes near criminal to choose to not educate all students (hey, they admitted them, they're responsible for educating them)

3. Fanbase's don't do anything but live vicariously through the kids that are being taken advantage of; the athletes generate the name. Miami's fan base didn't popularize "The U", the players did. ****, the Cane "fanbase" can barely bother to come to games. The "fanbase" gives itself far too much credit for something they have zero responsibility for. But they're real good at praising these kids when they do well/win and throwing them away or calling them JAGs when they don't pan out.

4. As for "...signing another kid...". LOL. You can't win with any old kids. Any old kids get bitter at the good kids and say things like "you're getting a free education" because they mistakenly believe that the "free" scholarships would be their's if only for those unqualified/criminal kids who don't belong, but the facts are that they wouldn't take any old kids if they were the only athletes left. Witness Miami using less than 75 of available 85 scholarships. Any old kids can rootand be bitter about kids who actually have athletic talent they lack.

You're a moran.

The fans run sports. All sports.

 

[OriginalCanesCanesCanes]

College athletes work their asses off like nobody's business if they want to be good at football and stay eligible in the classroom.

Some of them have to work even harder because of a lifetime of not focusing on academics.

But when it's all said and done, in spite of some of the intrinsic unfairness, it's a privelige for them to be afforded the opportunity, which many people like them under similar circumstances do not get, because they are not as good at football.

At UM, they can always come back for their degrees, FOR FREE, and some even get advanced graduate degrees.

People can whine all they want, but these athletes will be better off if they fully take advantages of the opportunities afforded them and their lives will be immeasurably better than those similar to them that didn't have the advantages afforded by a major college scholarship.

I know several Cane graduates that are in the business world that came from less than ideal circumstances that parlayed their degrees into a successful post football life.

All it took was their hard work.

So while more needs to be done to help transition some of the laggards into being productive members of society, the opportunities are there for those willing to work for them. Sadly, some just don't want to put in the work. There is very little that can be done for them.

Just because you struggle with what amounts to 2 full time jobs doesn't mean you don't want to work. It takes a ton of work to just get by, I don't think it's within most people to do well at both things. I know I had enough trouble with school that there's no way I could have played football too. As an adult I think I could pull it off, but it would still be a struggle. Not sure why you think kids, especially ones who have grown up being told to do the minimum in school and put all their energy into football, would be likely to succeed.

They can succeed.

It is within their power to succeed.

They just have to be willing to work for it.

Once football is over, they can finish their degrees FREE, or did you miss that part.

Stop making excuses because they don't have a PERFECT opportunity. It's an opportunity most don't have. And I know some who have come from horrible circumstances and are taking advantage of it, and if they can do it, anybody can do it

 

[Tetragrammaton Cane]

look at all these ignorant "oh athletes make millions for the school" while that is true, the universities have formed a platform for which to generate the revenue.

if player A doesn't sign with a school, then the school will sign another willing and capable player who will bring the revenue.

it's not the athletes that generate but the name and fanbase of all the schools that really generate the money. the universities and NCAA should and do hold all the cards here. we all know that the high school football players have no viable options.

You couldn't be more wrong.

1. It's a fact that winning teams generate more branding for a school than alumni, school, fans. Alabama now admits more out of state students then instate for the first time. Reason? Football. The same can be said for Miami's history. Any honest administrator will tell you that. How'd you miss it?

2. Platform from which to make money... I'll just stop the nonsense as almost all universities and definitely all the ones that play major college football are non-profits. Is their mission to educate or make money? Now throw in that the only schools that make money are the winningest programs and it becomes near criminal to choose to not educate all students (hey, they admitted them, they're responsible for educating them)

3. Fanbase's don't do anything but live vicariously through the kids that are being taken advantage of; the athletes generate the name. Miami's fan base didn't popularize "The U", the players did. ****, the Cane "fanbase" can barely bother to come to games. The "fanbase" gives itself far too much credit for something they have zero responsibility for. But they're real good at praising these kids when they do well/win and throwing them away or calling them JAGs when they don't pan out.

4. As for "...signing another kid...". LOL. You can't win with any old kids. Any old kids get bitter at the good kids and say things like "you're getting a free education" because they mistakenly believe that the "free" scholarships would be their's if only for those unqualified/criminal kids who don't belong, but the facts are that they wouldn't take any old kids if they were the only athletes left. Witness Miami using less than 75 of available 85 scholarships. Any old kids can rootand be bitter about kids who actually have athletic talent they lack.

You're a moran.

The fans run sports. All sports.

LOL. That? I figured you'll never do better and decided to save myself the waste...I'm going to put you out of your misery and onto my ignore list.