Ok, now that we have all broken enough furniture....

[WhatTheHell]

You don't lose to a 3-6 team and turn around say "we're getting better."

Those two things cannot exist.

 

[sniffin94]

OP mAde a good post. I will pull up the thread from before the season where everyone guessed the record. I had 6-6 or 5-7 I believe. If I recall, I said I didn't think we could stop anyone and I didn't believe in Morris.

Point is, anyone that is realistic knew this was a rebuilding year. Golden is playing freshman. That's huge in recruiting. We hung tough today, against FSU, and if PD doesn't drop those balls maybe we hang against ND..

This team already exceeded my expectations. That's all I need to say or know about AG. Coordinators? Gonna give them another year cause the cupboard is empty. Not happy, but gonna be real- 6 or 7 of our best players declared. Didn't fare well in the draft. If we had them, we'd have at least another win or two. We sent them packing cause we are rebuilding. Cats need to realize that.

It's easy to point the finger. It's frustrating to watch at times. Button opinion, for what it's worth, is that this team overachieved this year. And if the team as a whole overachieved, I will give a pass to the coordinators. It's only a one year pass, but they get a year. And we are self imposing anyways, no matter what some of you dimwits think.

Should have won today, no question. But in the long run it doesn't matter. I definitely question him more now than I did a year ago today, but I think AG is the guy. And for me to say that....... I'm a pessimistic ****head that has high expectations. Take that for what it's worth. We have the right guy.

I agree with most of this and I also had a 6 win season as my prediction.......but......we just lost to ******* virginia. We should NEVER lose to virginia. That being said, time to do what we have done the past 10 years at this point in the season. Start talking about next year.

 

[CANE1775]

Lets get back to reality.

Look, Im as ****ed as anyone else today. I am throughly disgusted with Donoforio and the defense.

But I actually expected us to f*ck up one of these last 3 games. I said at the very beginning I expected a 6-6 season. I said I would be pleased with 7-5, and DELIGHTED with 8-4.

On offense, I think we did what we needed to win. Anyone blaming Fisch for the last drive, come on. Look, if he throws it and stops the clock, we would have been here b*ching about how we gave them too much time and didnt work the clock enough. We complain every week that Fisch doesnt run the ball and chew up the clock to help the D, well that is EXACTLY what he tried to do.

This was on the Defense. PERIOD. IF you let a 3-6 team march 90 F*CKING yards down the field on you, TWICE, converting TWO 4th and 7th plays, you DESERVE to lose. Our defense was ONCE AGAIN garbage today.

NOW... I WILL cut the staff a BIT of slack. We were playing without 3 of our best players. There is a REASON that Eddie Johnson and Deon Bush are STARTING AS TRUE FROSH. Because they guys behind them are GARBAGE. Without DP, and our entire defensive backfield was lacking ANY playmakers today.

As for Donoforio, the guy is totally out of his league at this level. I have ZERO faith in the guy. He rushed exactly TWO, COUNT EM TWO guys on that last play, and actually dropped Curtis Porter into coverage on that final play. He rushed TWO F*CKING GUYS, giving that QB ALL F*CKING DAY to throw that ball, and to top it off, our GARBAGE secondary, let the SAME F*CKING GUY, get behind them in the endzone TWICE IN A ROW.

The ENTIRE defensive staff should be fired on this team.

That said, we arent far off where most of us expected to be. And look, losing those 3 starters, on a team that has NO depth, and is already full of young players all across the defense.

This team is going to be much better. I really feel we are on the cusp of greatness. I still think Golden was the best guy for he job, and the best we can hope to have in this situation. He is rebuilding the program from the ground up, and while this SUCKS right now, I REALLY do feel like we are going to see the fruits of all this pain PAY OFF starting next year. If it doesnt, you can bet I will be leading the charge to run him out on a rail.

But guys, its time to get real here. Were not about to fire our 3rd coach in 7 years. All we can do is hope that Golden's bottom up approach is going to pay dividends, and that he will upgrade the staff as he needs to. He will improve as a gameday coach, just like "Botch" Davis did. Will he be the next Jimmy Johnson? We dont know. But I do believe he is going to make us a contender again. All we can do is hope for the best, but look, this program is facing sanctions, has fired 2 coaches in the last 6 years, cannot pay what the giant state big football schools can, and we havent really been a top level program in almost a decade. We arent going to be getting a high caliber coach, so we are going to have to ride with Golden, and hope for the best.

Lets just all calm down, and hope for the best. We have to stop acting like this team is ready, and these kids are really at a level where they can execute consistently. YES the defense is a trainwreck, but it could have been better today had we had 3 key starters playing. Look, if the ACC was even mediocre this year, we would be in NO position to compete for jack sh8t, and most of us didnt expect to anyway.

Were not going to fire Golden. So ranting and raving about it, is not going to accomplish anything. If nothing else, we need to be practical at this point, and hope we can get another good recruiting class in and that we dont get hammered by the NCAA. Its time we got real, modify our expectations, and hope for the best.

LMAO. Look man, I agree we have a ton of issues, but I'm just not buying what you're selling regarding what I highlighted in bold. They would have had about the same amount of time regardless because they still had timeouts to use. How in the world could anyone have *****ed about us not running enough clock if we had thrown the ball when we didn't run enough clock when we ran the ball? I mean seriously, I'm totally confused as to what you even mean with that paragraph. The correct play is to try to get the freakin first down because if you have to punt the ball back to them, you're going to lose the game.

With that said, the defense is beyond bad. It's beyond pathetic. Words cannot even describe how bad it is. And that's the very reason why we should have went for the jugular on that last drive. I'm a hoops guy. I used to play PG. And one thing I remember learning from my coach early on is if you're on a fastbreak and you give the rock to the guy that you know has terrible hands, the turnover is on you, and not him. Same thing applies here. I fault Golden. He should have made sure that we went for the first down. That last drive was inexcusable.

(for the record, I'm not calling for anyone's head)

 

[Notsince1985]

I would have thrown the ball, but running is not a horrible play. Why run it if they have timeouts? The thought is to force them to use their timeouts. Sure it stops the clock, but it also strips them of what could have been valuable timeouts.

 

[NotoriousJJE]

You don't lose to a 3-6 team and turn around say "we're getting better."

Those two things cannot exist.

You mean the same Virginia team that we lost to by a touchdown at home last year, and by 5points the year before?

 

[WhatTheHell]

You don't lose to a 3-6 team and turn around say "we're getting better."

Those two things cannot exist.

You mean the same Virginia team that we lost to by a touchdown at home last year, and by 5points the year before?

What does that have to do with anything?

 

[Consigliere]

A lot of scary stuff out there right now. This loss hurts a lot but I am still in the belief that we are not a good team we're just a slightly (very) above average. There are problems/issues with many things (coaching, depth, talent etc.) and I am optimistic that things will continue to be corrected and improved.

For the Pro-Golden fans or for the Anti-Al Crew, we have sanctions on the way. No one is stepping in this mess right now. You are looking at the HC of the program, you can do your weekly fire Al Chants, fire Coach D or gut the Fisch...but it is irrelevant. The school is going to give this guy 4 FULL years at the very least.

Before the year, I didn't expect much. I don't expect it in 2013 either still. I believe in 2014, I want it sooner but I don't think it will happen. I see the direction of the program going in the right direction, I see a lot to like (and some to dislike).

There were unbiased people that didn't expect much (journalist, vegas etc.) some even said last in the coastal or 4 wins total.

So buckle up and sit tight, two games left.

 

[CANE1775]

I would have thrown the ball, but running is not a horrible play. Why run it if they have timeouts? The thought is to force them to use their timeouts. Sure it stops the clock, but it also strips them of what could have been valuable timeouts.

I guess my point is, even if we force them to use their timeouts, what would you have more confidence in; our D stopping them, or us converting the 3rd and long? I just can't say enough how our mindset should be to avoid any way possible of leaving the game in the hands of this defense. Some may disagree with that, but I firmly believe that.

 

[Biscuits]

Where does this idea come from that we're so superior to UVA that losing to them represents a colossal failure across the board? We're a Coastal Division team. There's NO separation at all in this division. NO ONE TEAM IS MARKEDLY BETTER THAN THE OTHERS. That includes us. The only reason it is this way is because the teams with higher expectations this year (GT, VT) **** the bed against us. We beat NCST. UVA kicked the **** outta NCST. Would anyone be te least bit shocked if VT *****slapped UVA at the end of the year? I wouldn't. There's no clear order of quality in the division, and yesterday's game represented that. Two more incompletions, and this board is entirely different today.

As often repeated, 8-4 was the ceiling for any rational fan this year. That's out the door now. And in very frustrating fashion. I get that. But anyone basing their long-term vision of this program on the results of yesterday's game is a football chick. You make evaluations like that based on seasons, not games.

 

[gongorad]

this team is effing trash. we will not return to the glory days. we are a team of mediocrity and we need to get used to it. i think at best we can become a VT type and possibly win conf titles, but we will not be a big boy NC contender w/ our pinch a penny mentality.

 

[jw410]

Blackvern NAILED IT!!

I was there section 115 row G I was front row. I watched just like I will be at Duke. This team is not good and this was a Shannon type loss. Stop making excuses for Folden. He is who Temple fans thought he was a great CEO, but poor coaching abilities.

You take 3 timeouts with you out of a stadium! That's bush league crap. Then proceeds to run its three straight times knowing 2 minutes and 36 seconds is plenty long enough for a team to move the ball on us. lol

Everybody in the stands said oh sh*t when we saw Botts come out to punt.

 

[gongorad]

Golden is not ready for the big leagues, but I guess we're not the big leagues nowadays. Golden will go the Coker route and fire Dorito

 

[Miami82]

OP mAde a good post. I will pull up the thread from before the season where everyone guessed the record. I had 6-6 or 5-7 I believe. If I recall, I said I didn't think we could stop anyone and I didn't believe in Morris.

Point is, anyone that is realistic knew this was a rebuilding year. Golden is playing freshman. That's huge in recruiting. We hung tough today, against FSU, and if PD doesn't drop those balls maybe we hang against ND..

This team already exceeded my expectations. That's all I need to say or know about AG. Coordinators? Gonna give them another year cause the cupboard is empty. Not happy, but gonna be real- 6 or 7 of our best players declared. Didn't fare well in the draft. If we had them, we'd have at least another win or two. We sent them packing cause we are rebuilding. Cats need to realize that.

It's easy to point the finger. It's frustrating to watch at times. Button opinion, for what it's worth, is that this team overachieved this year. And if the team as a whole overachieved, I will give a pass to the coordinators. It's only a one year pass, but they get a year. And we are self imposing anyways, no matter what some of you dimwits think.

Should have won today, no question. But in the long run it doesn't matter. I definitely question him more now than I did a year ago today, but I think AG is the guy. And for me to say that....... I'm a pessimistic ****head that has high expectations. Take that for what it's worth. We have the right guy.

Our fans have truly been cokerized. Why does everyone keep going back to the preseason picks of 6 or 7 wins? Like that happened in a vaccum and things can't change week to week. WE should have beat UNC and we had UVA beat. It's not like our fans are saying we should have beaten KST/ND/FSU teams that have better talent than us. WE should beat the teams we should beat. Its that simple.

And winning does matter. It sets you up to close out the year on a positive note specially if we will be giving up any post season games.

 

[JHallCanes]

We were a bad team going into this game.

We played without 3 KEY guys on an already horrible defense. I shouldn't even say "key", those guys outside of Pierre ARE our defense.

What. The. ****. Did some people expect? Obviously I am ****ed off big time but am I surprised what happened? **** no.

 

[blackvern]

We were a bad team going into this game.

We played without 3 KEY guys on an already horrible defense. I shouldn't even say "key", those guys outside of Pierre ARE our defense.

What. The. ****. Did some people expect? Obviously I am ****ed off big time but am I surprised what happened? **** no.

and this is what we call Cokerization.. We are a bad team but we are much much better than Virginia even with 3 starters out, DOnt you think Virginia had starters out too? Cmon Jhall your better than this. We shouldve beaten this team hands down. WHen you lose too a much less talented team it is bad coaching thats all there is to it

 

[bg534]

We were a bad team going into this game.

We played without 3 KEY guys on an already horrible defense. I shouldn't even say "key", those guys outside of Pierre ARE our defense.

What. The. ****. Did some people expect? Obviously I am ****ed off big time but am I surprised what happened? **** no.

and this is what we call Cokerization.. We are a bad team but we are much much better than Virginia even with 3 starters out, DOnt you think Virginia had starters out too? Cmon Jhall your better than this. We shouldve beaten this team hands down. WHen you lose too a much less talented team it is bad coaching thats all there is to it

Unbelievable that after 8 years of Shannon/Coker people still don't recognize incompetent coaching. Golden better be able to recruit and develop Butch style, because if this **** continues to happen next year Golden will be lucky to coach linebackers at TCU like Shannon. You fail at Miami and your coaching career is over.

 

[Consigliere]

We were a bad team going into this game.

We played without 3 KEY guys on an already horrible defense. I shouldn't even say "key", those guys outside of Pierre ARE our defense.

What. The. ****. Did some people expect? Obviously I am ****ed off big time but am I surprised what happened? **** no.

and this is what we call Cokerization.. We are a bad team but we are much much better than Virginia even with 3 starters out, DOnt you think Virginia had starters out too? Cmon Jhall your better than this. We shouldve beaten this team hands down. WHen you lose too a much less talented team it is bad coaching thats all there is to it

Vegas disagrees with you and they have zero bias. This is also before any word on Scott or EJ.

Yesterday sucked for many reasons but if you thought we are much much better than UVA without 3 of our best defensive starters, you probably thought Shannon was a decent HC.

This is what happens, this game took a lot out of me but to think we are " much much better" was foolish at best. We're not good, we're young and we have issues with the coaching staff. Not a good combination.

 

[blackvern]

We were a bad team going into this game.

We played without 3 KEY guys on an already horrible defense. I shouldn't even say "key", those guys outside of Pierre ARE our defense.

What. The. ****. Did some people expect? Obviously I am ****ed off big time but am I surprised what happened? **** no.

and this is what we call Cokerization.. We are a bad team but we are much much better than Virginia even with 3 starters out, DOnt you think Virginia had starters out too? Cmon Jhall your better than this. We shouldve beaten this team hands down. WHen you lose too a much less talented team it is bad coaching thats all there is to it

Vegas disagrees with you and they have zero bias. This is also before any word on Scott or EJ.

Yesterday sucked for many reasons but if you thought we are much much better than UVA without 3 of our best defensive starters, you probably thought Shannon was a decent HC.

This is what happens, this game took a lot out of me but to think we are " much much better" was foolish at best. We're not good, we're young and we have issues with the coaching staff. Not a good combination.

Vegas only has to be right 51% of the time, Vegas also looks at coaching when they make their picks dont they? Virgina is 1-4 in the ACC If you dont think were better than them I dont know what to say

 

[obijuancaneobi]

Lets get back to reality.

Look, Im as ****ed as anyone else today. I am throughly disgusted with Donoforio and the defense.

But I actually expected us to f*ck up one of these last 3 games. I said at the very beginning I expected a 6-6 season. I said I would be pleased with 7-5, and DELIGHTED with 8-4.

On offense, I think we did what we needed to win. Anyone blaming Fisch for the last drive, come on. Look, if he throws it and stops the clock, we would have been here b*ching about how we gave them too much time and didnt work the clock enough. We complain every week that Fisch doesnt run the ball and chew up the clock to help the D, well that is EXACTLY what he tried to do.

This was on the Defense. PERIOD. IF you let a 3-6 team march 90 F*CKING yards down the field on you, TWICE, converting TWO 4th and 7th plays, you DESERVE to lose. Our defense was ONCE AGAIN garbage today.

NOW... I WILL cut the staff a BIT of slack. We were playing without 3 of our best players. There is a REASON that Eddie Johnson and Deon Bush are STARTING AS TRUE FROSH. Because they guys behind them are GARBAGE. Without DP, and our entire defensive backfield was lacking ANY playmakers today.

As for Donoforio, the guy is totally out of his league at this level. I have ZERO faith in the guy. He rushed exactly TWO, COUNT EM TWO guys on that last play, and actually dropped Curtis Porter into coverage on that final play. He rushed TWO F*CKING GUYS, giving that QB ALL F*CKING DAY to throw that ball, and to top it off, our GARBAGE secondary, let the SAME F*CKING GUY, get behind them in the endzone TWICE IN A ROW.

The ENTIRE defensive staff should be fired on this team.

That said, we arent far off where most of us expected to be. And look, losing those 3 starters, on a team that has NO depth, and is already full of young players all across the defense.

This team is going to be much better. I really feel we are on the cusp of greatness. I still think Golden was the best guy for he job, and the best we can hope to have in this situation. He is rebuilding the program from the ground up, and while this SUCKS right now, I REALLY do feel like we are going to see the fruits of all this pain PAY OFF starting next year. If it doesnt, you can bet I will be leading the charge to run him out on a rail.

But guys, its time to get real here. Were not about to fire our 3rd coach in 7 years. All we can do is hope that Golden's bottom up approach is going to pay dividends, and that he will upgrade the staff as he needs to. He will improve as a gameday coach, just like "Botch" Davis did. Will he be the next Jimmy Johnson? We dont know. But I do believe he is going to make us a contender again. All we can do is hope for the best, but look, this program is facing sanctions, has fired 2 coaches in the last 6 years, cannot pay what the giant state big football schools can, and we havent really been a top level program in almost a decade. We arent going to be getting a high caliber coach, so we are going to have to ride with Golden, and hope for the best.

Lets just all calm down, and hope for the best. We have to stop acting like this team is ready, and these kids are really at a level where they can execute consistently. YES the defense is a trainwreck, but it could have been better today had we had 3 key starters playing. Look, if the ACC was even mediocre this year, we would be in NO position to compete for jack sh8t, and most of us didnt expect to anyway.

Were not going to fire Golden. So ranting and raving about it, is not going to accomplish anything. If nothing else, we need to be practical at this point, and hope we can get another good recruiting class in and that we dont get hammered by the NCAA. Its time we got real, modify our expectations, and hope for the best.

Thank you for some perspective c4l. The voice of reason.

And yes it's been a horrible week miami82

 

[Consigliere]

We were a bad team going into this game.

We played without 3 KEY guys on an already horrible defense. I shouldn't even say "key", those guys outside of Pierre ARE our defense.

What. The. ****. Did some people expect? Obviously I am ****ed off big time but am I surprised what happened? **** no.

and this is what we call Cokerization.. We are a bad team but we are much much better than Virginia even with 3 starters out, DOnt you think Virginia had starters out too? Cmon Jhall your better than this. We shouldve beaten this team hands down. WHen you lose too a much less talented team it is bad coaching thats all there is to it

Vegas disagrees with you and they have zero bias. This is also before any word on Scott or EJ.

Yesterday sucked for many reasons but if you thought we are much much better than UVA without 3 of our best defensive starters, you probably thought Shannon was a decent HC.

This is what happens, this game took a lot out of me but to think we are " much much better" was foolish at best. We're not good, we're young and we have issues with the coaching staff. Not a good combination.

Vegas only has to be right 51% of the time, Vegas also looks at coaching when they make their picks dont they? Virgina is 1-4 in the ACC If you dont think were better than them I dont know what to say

How fitting you say this...

UVA +1

UVA 41 - Miami 40

Looks like they nailed it.

What I think has no relevance on the outcome of the game, neither does what you say or Vegas. The point is Vegas looks at it from an unbiased point of view and they nailed the game. I thought we could win but as the week progressed I expected more and more difficulties, then EJ did XYZ and....I got worried.

You don't know what to say because you have no argument. Miami is no one, we're nothing. We have issues at coaching, talent, inexperience and depth, none of those were corrected in the past few days since we beat VT. In fact since we beat VT we had less talent and depth to travel to UVA.

Also, that isn't how Vegas works. They don't have to be right. They have to get 50% betting on team A and 50% betting on team B. Not right 51% of the time, live and die by the vig.