Offensive Philosophy in 2013

[bigsonnyu]

You posting highlights of a fullback blocking and running from shotgun has nothing to do with my post, about the best formation suited for our Smaller Running backs bro... . My post was focused on prostyle vs singleback formation. Sorry if my only rememberance of the enemy was in singleback in the Northern Illinois game.

Not an FSU fan by the way... while your at it look up the height and weight of Lonnie Pryor vs Duke and Alex and get back with me after reading from the top again.

Hard to take your post serious when you're saying things that aren't true. Alex Collins didn't play in a "singleback" offense. FSU doesn't run one either. Monte Ball has a fullback in front of him aswell. You're making things up. If you're going to try and come off as some football mind atleast take some time to look up your info. Bro

And your leaning towards what offense based on the backs we have?

 

[jerzeycane]

Based on the backs we would have if Collins came, I'd be about 55/45 run to pass. USC was the best offense in the history of college football doing that. Run Collins and Duke, throw deep to Coley, Dorsett, and Lewis.

 

[TheRagingWolf]

I want a balance, obviously, but a slight edge towards the pass a little bit.

My attitude may change depending on if we get Collins and then how good he is when he gets here. If he brings the goods then pound the rock and to set up Morris with the play-action.

The one thing that is for sure next year offensively is our offensive line. That line should be one of the best in the nation in both run block and pass block, so I feel comfortable if we went ground and pound, air-raid or balanced. If the play calling is done right, opposing ACC defenses will have to pick their poison and sell out against the run or drop back and try to cover the pass. Florida and FSU will be able to defend us better without getting all complicated. Neither will defend us well, IMO, but they have the talent to defend both the run and pass together than the rest of our ACC schedule.

Seriously, if we lose more then one ACC game I'm gonna be ****ed. That schedule blows. We are basically being gift wrapped 10 wins minimum with the 20 ******* starters coming back.

 

[Kn[]_[]ckles3o5]

I like having a FB. They are always good for at least one or two plays where they're ignored by the defense. Having to account for the FB gives defenses something else to worry about. I loved how they used to use Davenport out of the backfield. They did the same with DJ Williams his one year at FB.

Quad Hill made some big plays too.

 

[umhurricano]

I like having a FB. They are always good for at least one or two plays where they're ignored by the defense. Having to account for the FB gives defenses something else to worry about. I loved how they used to use Davenport out of the backfield. They did the same with DJ Williams his one year at FB.

Quad Hill made some big plays too.

Neither Quad Hill nor Najeh were true fullbacks. Very close to what we would be doing with Edwards and Dillard assuming those two are good receiver out of the backfield, which was, IMO, where Najeh and Hill were most effective.

 

[jerzeycane]

[video=youtube;-fWz8QAYfTw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fWz8QAYfTw[/video]

Offense at it's finest.

 

[bigsonnyu]

I like having a FB. They are always good for at least one or two plays where they're ignored by the defense. Having to account for the FB gives defenses something else to worry about. I loved how they used to use Davenport out of the backfield. They did the same with DJ Williams his one year at FB.

Quad Hill made some big plays too.

Neither Quad Hill nor Najeh were true fullbacks. Very close to what we would be doing with Edwards and Dillard assuming those two are good receiver out of the backfield, which was, IMO, where Najeh and Hill were most effective.

I agree. Liked when Najeh and Hill were here. .. DJ willams too for that matter. But for whatever reason Maurice Hagens isn't used in the fashion those guys were. One of the reasons why it seems to make sense to utilize a formation that's going to get more receivers on the field.

Hagens does a great job blocking, but again with him in the game its like one less target for some reason when we pass. Instead of having a FB in at a higher percentage, id rather have a guy in the slot, which takes a LB out of the box. Another bonus would be that some teams are stubourn, and will try to cover the slot with a LB, to our advantage.

I just wanna see our offense become that much more explosive to help our defense out.

 

[TheU1991]

based on what we saw from fsu the last couple years.... should we be as excited as we were about the TE position on our squad?

fisch clearly wanted to utilize TEs in his offense, i just don't think he ever had the personnel to do so. he was always mentioning getting the TEs involved and TE was obviously a position we targeted this offseason.

but fisch is gone and coley, regardless of who you think was "running" fsu's offense, didn't ever seem to utilize his TEs in the passing game very much.

does coley switch it up once he starts implementing his offense here? i think he must.

 

[bigsonnyu]

As long as he doesn't call for our TE's to return kickoff's in our most important game of the season I'm good. Lol

 

[Bennubird]

Not sure who is saying Duke is an every down back in this thread, so I'm not really sure who you're arguing against. I think most would agree as there are hardly any every down backs at any level above high school any more. Having multiple backs is a good way to keep your guys fresh.

I'm still not sure I understand why you believe we can't run a pro-style offense if we run a single back set? Again, I'm not a guru at X's and O's, but it would seem to me you can do much of what you normally would do from the I formation with a single back set. You just wouldn't have a FB as a lead blocker, but you would get an extra receiver. Perhaps Coley will incorporate some pistol. Morris is mobile enough to pull it off.

I understand the love for Duke because I Iove the guy as well.. . But if you think Duke is an every down back in a prostyle offense. at this level your sadly mistaken.

Also, Duke did take some big hits last year... Difference is he had Mike James to spell him and give him time to get himself together and keep him fresh.

Alex Colins will get bigger and stronger over time, as he has room to put on plenty of weight (unlike Duke) and not lose much of his speed, but by no means do I expect him to be a bruiser out of the gate.

More of a Singleback set by percentage is what I'm shooting for, based on our roster Collins still needing more physical development ... Not to abolish the pro style offense all together, as even Oregon throws a FB in there when needed at times.

 

[jerzeycane]

I'll say it because no one else has the balls to say it. Duke IS an every down back.

 

[Picksix]

The offensive philosophy isn't going to change at Miami. Golden has an idea of what kind of offense he wants to run at Miami. Again, Al Golden was a TE so he comes from an offensive mindset. He may have coached Defense and Special Teams but that's because he's detailed oriented and wants to become a well balanced Head Coach that can oversee his team completely.

Keep in mind why Fisch was brought to Miami. The guy designed playbooks for a living for the NFL. He is an offensive minded guru. If I know Golden like I think I know Golden he thinks ahead. He had Jedd develop a system for Miami. Coley was asked to come into Miami to learn the system so the entire offense wasn't forced to learn the new system. It's better to have one coach learn a new system of terminology than to have an entire roster learn a new system. Coley can now focus on finishing up on the recruiting process and then fine tune the offensive playbook.

This offense isn't going to have drastic changes. Coley may be asked to design new plays from the multiple formations to implement new skill guys but he isn't going to reinvent the wheel. Also, the gameplan may call for more running plays or passing plays but that will be determined upon whether the opposing defense is better at covering run or pass. If Golden thought that Coley was ready to take this next step then he's ready. Notice our coaches are being asked to coach in the NFL and FSU's coaches are taking higher positions at lesser college jobs, with the exception being Coley?

Get ready for Miami to rape CFB!!!

 

[FlipT]

I'll say it because no one else has the balls to say it. Duke IS an every down back.

I feel Duke is an every down back, but I dont know if I want him having the ball every down. When you factor in the returns and everything technically he's an every down back.

 

[Picksix]

I'll say it because no one else has the balls to say it. Duke IS an every down back.

Of course Duke is any every down back! Our fans have taken this idea that he couldn't be the every down back as a true freshman and turned it into he's not an every down back. He carried the ball all game long in HS and won the Championship with his team. Now imagine him with an entire season of college weight training and Utough? ***** is going to rock the fock out!

 

[deep-sea diver]

A pro-style Offense achieves balance primarily by having a TE who can catch it and run-block effectively. He lines up beside the tackle and it's 50-50 run/pass, so more under-center snaps. The FB is nice, yes, but the TE is usually the key here. The Patriots, for instance, run a balanced attack with no fullback; they have two TEs who can run routes and hold their own at the point. The Texans do the same with zone-blocking.

The 49ers are another example with Vernon and Walker, who are both great blockers. The Ravens offense, on the other hand, got a lot better when they starting hitting Leach with some check-downs as well as having a good TE, Pitta.

(The FB works for Balt because they already have a TE; Leach simply compounds the issue. Ideally you want a TE who's either a size or quickness mismatch in the pass game while not losing anything in the run. FBs are typically short, stout, and powerful in one direction - not really seam threats.)

Pro Offenses have to look 50/50 at the snap, which is why it's so hard to run this attack in college; Guys are here for 4 years max and don't always have the time/willingness to learn the well-rounded skills. (this is why Lamar barely played his first year, and why I'm confident MJ will make a roster.)

 

[CaneShades]

I am hoping Coley runs the ball more. Fisch threw it to much at times.

 

[Kn[]_[]ckles3o5]

I think people get confused about the term. So I'll clear it up.

"Every down back" does not mean 40 carries a game. It means the back can play under any circumstance 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th down. Long, Medium, Short yardage. Can catch and can block.

D[]_[]KE does all of this and is most definitely an every down back. That doesn't mean he needs to get 40 touches just means there are ZERO limitations in his game.

**** he can even throw and work as a receiver on the outside. Kid is a phenom. We still need a second back to give him a breather now and then though.

 

[AlexCane]

Duke is a lot bigger in person than people give him credit for. He isn't some 175 lb scat back. Dude is short, but stocky. He is an every-down back, IMO.

 

[Bigtip]

I'll say it because no one else has the balls to say it. Duke IS an every down back.

he was a TRUE FR last year people. lets see what an offseason of U tough does for his body. i believe that he can and will be an every down back. he def needs to get some good weight on but there is no reason to think that he cant

kid could be similar to Gio Bernard in a couple of years (as far as bulk goes...similar height. Duke may be a little lankier)

 

[bigsonnyu]

I think people get confused about the term. So I'll clear it up.

"Every down back" does not mean 40 carries a game. It means the back can play under any circumstance 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th down. Long, Medium, Short yardage. Can catch and can block.

Love the football talk guys!

By no means do i think anyone is trashing Duke. We all love the kid, and love what he means to our team. However, last year he took some big hits, and I recall him tapping his helmet, in a gesture for someone to spell him on several occasions.

Doesn't mean he's not a tough kid, and that he's not a dynamic playmaker at all; However, he's 5'9 183lbs...

His RB coach was quoted as saying he'd like for duke to play at around 185 and 190lbs, so maybe he'll get there by the end of UTough, who knows...

Sure Duke plays on 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and 4th down, and even throws the ball on occassion

But, for the sake of conversation, im just asking this question specifically:

Can Duke carry the ball for a whole 4 quarters, in multiple consecutive series (1st thru 3rd down), taking shots up the middle from 6'3, 245lbs Linebackers and 300lb D-Lineman, running over and through guys, over and over, as the main feature back?