Offensive and Defensive Coordinators.

100% agree with this assessment. Our D is severely undermanned and too young. Almost no Dline talent with any experience (they can pound Chick since there are no other threats yet on the line) gives the QB unlimited time. This group is what is keeping the GT's and NCSTs in games. I actually think D'onofio needs more time to see what he can do with a healthier, more mature squad.

As far as Fisch, I think he gets way too cute. WTF was that pass call on 1st and goal from the 2!. The Oline is pretty solid (for a change) and he has playmakers at RB and WR. The QB has a gun, but I cannot figure out what type of offense he is trying to establish. Maybe these games are smokescreens for the FSU, ND and VT games..nahh.

I'm harder on Fisch because he has more to work with.

There just ain't much on defense right now.

It all starts with our DTs getting blown off the ball. It snow-balls from there.


But virtually every time fisch runs in short yardage situations, we get nothing, unless the rb breaks a couple tackles. Don't you think fisch would pound it up the gut if he had even a shred of confidence that the OL would get a push?


Part of running the ball is attitude. You may get a bunch of 2 yard gains before you find a rhythm.

If we don't rip off a couple 7-yard gains, we abandon.

W/ our porous defense, we cannot afford the luxury of multiple 3 and outs trying to establish a running "attitude."

someone gets it.. the funny thing about our fans is that.. during the coker era of run run pass on 3rd and long.. they would complain about our offense and how we need to be more aggressive etc.. now they want us to run run pass on 3rd and long... even if it's ineffective.

I don't care about establishing the run or the pass... i care about scoring points with whatever is working.. I think teams will continue to load up on the run and see if morris can beat them. It's happened two weeks in a row, and stephen has done it. I don't think it's going to be any different going forward, and if it is, it will most likely open up the run game.
 
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The reason we can not run the ball is because Jedd won't commit to the run. You must have balance on offense to have sustainable drives. He has no balance right now.

He goes three and out plenty in large part because it is pass on first down (incomplete). Run on second -a few yards. Throw on third and long. Punt.

He wants to run out of the shotgun, but is not working. When we get under center (he seems to know that when he needs yards under center is where he should be) we run the ball just fine.

If anyone thinks we are going to continue to win games like this the remainder of the year (no D and no possession of the ball) I have a ocean front property to sell you in West Virginia.
 
Fisch makes me scratch my head at times, but can't argue with the results. Everyone thought we would struggle at WR (i didn't just cause I thought we'd ride Hurns like crazy) and WRs are putting up record numbers. And we got a WR who hasn't caught a pass since his freshman year 5 years ago who was playing DB last year putting up over 100 yards in a game. Fisch had a QB who broke the career INT record throw less than 10 last year as the full time starter - with half coming in the last game (we shouldn't have announced the self bowl ban before the game).

on the flip side our DC had guys last year who had started a lot of games and had played on a solid level look horrible. VT and Ray Ray weren't top notch safeties but they never had played as bad as they played after the current DC got here. Vernon went from looking like a future 1st round pick to a guy who's standing up dropping into coverage one play and rushing from DT the next. Had guys look their worst under him. Moves guys who he felt couldn't play for his defense to offense (where Fisch is getting something out of them) and just keeps on blaming everyone on players. The players didn't vote to play off so much. We had a young defense in 2008 with a new DC and it didn't look this inept even though it didn't look good either. Every other DC i hear talk about young defenses is that you want to be aggressive and let the mistakes be aggressive mistakes. our DC is the opposite. never seen a successful DC take that approach.
 
If we expect to win some of the remaining tough games, we better improve our running, offensive balance and time of possession.
 
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If we expect to win some of the remaining tough games, we better improve our running, offensive balance and time of possession.


This.

The points and explosiveness is great, but we can't have two empty quarters where we're essentially going three-and-out on every possession.
 
The reality is this roster has no chance of beating any legitimate top 15 team regardless of scheme. They are going to be in a dogfight in every game on its remaining schedule (from ND to Duke) and may well suffer some bad defeats along the way. Coaching is first and foremost about who has the best players. Almost, but not quite, period. Interchange Miami's coaching staff with Alabama's. My guess is Alabama is undefeated and Miami probably has one loss.
 
We do a lot of no huddle, so TOP is irrelevant (see Oregon and Chip Kelly's claim that TOP is the most irrelevant stat in football)

Our defense is out there more as a result and it's an injured, young defense.

re: the OP's query:
Fisch: A-
D'Onofrio: C
Go Canes!
 
We do a lot of no huddle, so TOP is irrelevant (see Oregon and Chip Kelly's claim that TOP is the most irrelevant stat in football)

Our defense is out there more as a result and it's an injured, young defense.

re: the OP's query:
Fisch: A-
D'Onofrio: C
Go Canes!

out of sheer curiosity....based on what set of criteria are you giving coach D a C?

I know we are too young on D, but the results are close to an F. No other way to look at it. I think he will be fine when he has some good players, but all I can give if props for is teaching the kids to create turnonvers. Aside from that, to steal a phrase from Bill King - We can't bust a grape on defense.
 
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We do a lot of no huddle, so TOP is irrelevant (see Oregon and Chip Kelly's claim that TOP is the most irrelevant stat in football)

Our defense is out there more as a result and it's an injured, young defense.

re: the OP's query:
Fisch: A-
D'Onofrio: C
Go Canes!

out of sheer curiosity....based on what set of criteria are you giving coach D a C?

I know we are too young on D, but the results are close to an F. No other way to look at it. I think he will be fine when he has some good players, but all I can give if props for is teaching the kids to create turnonvers. Aside from that, to steal a phrase from Bill King - We can't bust a grape on defense.
 
I find the constant bashing of these two guys to be pure ignorance on the part of the fans. first to the offense, I see alot of people *****ing about the play calling inside the red zone, but they seem to ignore the fact that the TEs dropped two passes in the end zone yesterday, while they were open. So I dont know how you argue with a play call that results in a guy being open in the end zone and has a ball hit him in the hands. the fact they dropped the ball is not on fisch, the fact morris had a guy open to throw to means that the play call was fine. as for this balanced offense argument, its a case of playing to the strength of the offensive line and what the defense is giving you (we ran 32 times and averaged 2.7 yards per). we were much better pass blocking than run blocking, so why try and force the run? if we are throwing the ball well, keep throwing it. I dont care if he took a knee for 2 out of every 4 downs, as long as we score points. scoring points and winning games is far more important than having a more balanced offense. besides, those of you crying about the lack of a balanced offense could get what you want but would then be screaming about how bad fisch is because we would score less points. you cant have it all. one other thing that is ignored for the convenience of a fisch bashing is the fact that hes proven himself to be a great QB coach. harris was a much improved QB last year working with him, and this year morris doesnt even look like the same qb as he was prior to this year.

as far as the defense goes, having that much youth, you are going to struggle. period. we saw on the first TD they scored yesterday that paul tried to make a tackle with his shoulder and didnt attempt to wrap up, we saw crawford out of position, bush has taken bad angles in the last 2 games and tried to compensate by reaching back and got flagged for a face mask, etc. mistakes that freshmen are going to make. welcome to a defense loaded with inexperience. we are young up front and as a result have been beaten up by bigger and more physical guys which is why we have struggled to get pressure. which again is going to happen when you are loaded with youth and inexperience up front. we have 2 issues at DB, lack of talent and lack of experience. we have plenty of young kids with potential, but we also have guys with plenty of experience but not enough talent. we have depth issues at LB that have lead to more inexperienced guys getting alot of time, including a walkon.
I expect this defense to be much improved next year and could be a top 10 group in 2 years. the positives that i see are that despite giving up a bunch of yards, they still fight every play refusing to quit and we are something like top 10 or 15 in takeaways. Those are things we havent seen from a defense here in awhile.

Its so easy to just be ignorant and bash these guys, but the reality is that they are absolutely making the best out of what is a really difficult situation and the reality is that what they have been able to accomplish thus far while having to rely so heavily on true and red shirt freshmen actually speaks volumes about their abilities, but Im sure that even if we do manage to make the ACC title game (which we havent sniffed since joining the conference), Im sure you mopes will still find things to ***** about and be calling for them to get fired. Im not saying they are perfect by any means and dont often make calls that are sometimes a WTF moment, but I cant think of any coach or manager in any sport that doesnt have those moments.
 
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I find the constant bashing of these two guys to be pure ignorance on the part of the fans. first to the offense, I see alot of people ****ing about the play calling inside the red zone, but they seem to ignore the fact that the TEs dropped two passes in the end zone yesterday, while they were open. So I dont know how you argue with a play call that results in a guy being open in the end zone and has a ball hit him in the hands. the fact they dropped the ball is not on fisch, the fact morris had a guy open to throw to means that the play call was fine. as for this balanced offense argument, its a case of playing to the strength of the offensive line and what the defense is giving you (we ran 32 times and averaged 2.7 yards per). we were much better pass blocking than run blocking, so why try and force the run? if we are throwing the ball well, keep throwing it. I dont care if he took a knee for 2 out of every 4 downs, as long as we score points. scoring points and winning games is far more important than having a more balanced offense. besides, those of you crying about the lack of a balanced offense could get what you want but would then be screaming about how bad fisch is because we would score less points. you cant have it all. one other thing that is ignored for the convenience of a fisch bashing is the fact that hes proven himself to be a great QB coach. harris was a much improved QB last year working with him, and this year morris doesnt even look like the same qb as he was prior to this year.

as far as the defense goes, having that much youth, you are going to struggle. period. we saw on the first TD they scored yesterday that paul tried to make a tackle with his shoulder and didnt attempt to wrap up, we saw crawford out of position, bush has taken bad angles in the last 2 games and tried to compensate by reaching back and got flagged for a face mask, etc. mistakes that freshmen are going to make. welcome to a defense loaded with inexperience. we are young up front and as a result have been beaten up by bigger and more physical guys which is why we have struggled to get pressure. which again is going to happen when you are loaded with youth and inexperience up front. we have 2 issues at DB, lack of talent and lack of experience. we have plenty of young kids with potential, but we also have guys with plenty of experience but not enough talent. we have depth issues at LB that have lead to more inexperienced guys getting alot of time, including a walkon.
I expect this defense to be much improved next year and could be a top 10 group in 2 years. the positives that i see are that despite giving up a bunch of yards, they still fight every play refusing to quit and we are something like top 10 or 15 in takeaways. Those are things we havent seen from a defense here in awhile.

Its so easy to just be ignorant and bash these guys, but the reality is that they are absolutely making the best out of what is a really difficult situation and the reality is that what they have been able to accomplish thus far while having to rely so heavily on true and red shirt freshmen actually speaks volumes about their abilities, but Im sure that even if we do manage to make the ACC title game (which we havent sniffed since joining the conference), Im sure you mopes will still find things to **** about and be calling for them to get fired. Im not saying they are perfect by any means and dont often make calls that are sometimes a WTF moment, but I cant think of any coach or manager in any sport that doesnt have those moments.


Excellent post. My only caveat is that you forgot to mention that Donofrio is working w/ virtually no talent and zero depth at the most important position - defensive line.
 
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I find the constant bashing of these two guys to be pure ignorance on the part of the fans. first to the offense, I see alot of people ****ing about the play calling inside the red zone, but they seem to ignore the fact that the TEs dropped two passes in the end zone yesterday, while they were open. So I dont know how you argue with a play call that results in a guy being open in the end zone and has a ball hit him in the hands. the fact they dropped the ball is not on fisch, the fact morris had a guy open to throw to means that the play call was fine. as for this balanced offense argument, its a case of playing to the strength of the offensive line and what the defense is giving you (we ran 32 times and averaged 2.7 yards per). we were much better pass blocking than run blocking, so why try and force the run? if we are throwing the ball well, keep throwing it. I dont care if he took a knee for 2 out of every 4 downs, as long as we score points. scoring points and winning games is far more important than having a more balanced offense. besides, those of you crying about the lack of a balanced offense could get what you want but would then be screaming about how bad fisch is because we would score less points. you cant have it all. one other thing that is ignored for the convenience of a fisch bashing is the fact that hes proven himself to be a great QB coach. harris was a much improved QB last year working with him, and this year morris doesnt even look like the same qb as he was prior to this year.

as far as the defense goes, having that much youth, you are going to struggle. period. we saw on the first TD they scored yesterday that paul tried to make a tackle with his shoulder and didnt attempt to wrap up, we saw crawford out of position, bush has taken bad angles in the last 2 games and tried to compensate by reaching back and got flagged for a face mask, etc. mistakes that freshmen are going to make. welcome to a defense loaded with inexperience. we are young up front and as a result have been beaten up by bigger and more physical guys which is why we have struggled to get pressure. which again is going to happen when you are loaded with youth and inexperience up front. we have 2 issues at DB, lack of talent and lack of experience. we have plenty of young kids with potential, but we also have guys with plenty of experience but not enough talent. we have depth issues at LB that have lead to more inexperienced guys getting alot of time, including a walkon.
I expect this defense to be much improved next year and could be a top 10 group in 2 years. the positives that i see are that despite giving up a bunch of yards, they still fight every play refusing to quit and we are something like top 10 or 15 in takeaways. Those are things we havent seen from a defense here in awhile.

Its so easy to just be ignorant and bash these guys, but the reality is that they are absolutely making the best out of what is a really difficult situation and the reality is that what they have been able to accomplish thus far while having to rely so heavily on true and red shirt freshmen actually speaks volumes about their abilities, but Im sure that even if we do manage to make the ACC title game (which we havent sniffed since joining the conference), Im sure you mopes will still find things to **** about and be calling for them to get fired. Im not saying they are perfect by any means and dont often make calls that are sometimes a WTF moment, but I cant think of any coach or manager in any sport that doesnt have those moments.


Excellent post. My only caveat is that you forgot to mention that Donofrio is working w/ virtually no talent and zero depth at the most important position - defensive line.
while i dont think its depth per se, its experience. we have a bunch DL on the roster right now, but the problem is that most of them are young and thus not physically ready to play DL at this level. i didnt mention that, but your post basically just summed up my whole point. the mere fact that even has to be mentioned to some of these mopes proves my whole point about the ignorance of some here.
 
Does talent adn youth explain giving up 350+ to Bethune Cookman after giving up 400+ last year?

Bethune Cookman

Bethune Cookman.....
 
Does talent adn youth explain giving up 350+ to Bethune Cookman after giving up 400+ last year?

Bethune Cookman

Bethune Cookman.....
yes.

there is no difference between giving up 650 yards to NCSt and giving up 350 to BCC.
 
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most are clueless and have no idea what is going on...
i love other teams gift us turnovers. our guys don't make good plays. rbs just run free and then when our guy comes up to tackle them, they just fumble the ball into our guys hands. we don't hit guys, try to strip, make good breaks on passes, etc. other teams just hand them over.
and i'm all for balance, but, i think we are taking what teams are giving us. if they drop 7 guys back and only rush 4, i bet jedd would start running the ball. please, we have the oline to do it.
sooner or later, teams are gonna stop daring morris to beat them deep.
 
Fisch makes me scratch my head at times, but can't argue with the results. Everyone thought we would struggle at WR (i didn't just cause I thought we'd ride Hurns like crazy) and WRs are putting up record numbers. And we got a WR who hasn't caught a pass since his freshman year 5 years ago who was playing DB last year putting up over 100 yards in a game. Fisch had a QB who broke the career INT record throw less than 10 last year as the full time starter - with half coming in the last game (we shouldn't have announced the self bowl ban before the game).

on the flip side our DC had guys last year who had started a lot of games and had played on a solid level look horrible. VT and Ray Ray weren't top notch safeties but they never had played as bad as they played after the current DC got here. Vernon went from looking like a future 1st round pick to a guy who's standing up dropping into coverage one play and rushing from DT the next. Had guys look their worst under him. Moves guys who he felt couldn't play for his defense to offense (where Fisch is getting something out of them) and just keeps on blaming everyone on players. The players didn't vote to play off so much. We had a young defense in 2008 with a new DC and it didn't look this inept even though it didn't look good either. Every other DC i hear talk about young defenses is that you want to be aggressive and let the mistakes be aggressive mistakes. our DC is the opposite. never seen a successful DC take that approach.

Not sure what your beef truly has to do with. I mean you used guys like Ray Ray and OV as examples, wo you do know that Ray Ray was suspended for 5 games last yr right? and OV for 6 games correct? Just not sure how that backs up your argument? I mean last yrs issues were mostly the same as this yrs just for different reasons. Last yrs issues were suspensions and injuries. This yrs is basically not enough talent due to last yrs early draft enrollees and injuries. And we as a fan base have been ****ting on VT since his sophomore yr. and I would say to this point he has not disappointed a single persons issues with his play. Did you notice his totally blown coverage on that late td? Nothing wrong with the call there but the execution. Then there was the touchdown when we dropped 8 into coverage in the endzone just to have EJ run out of his zone for no apparent reason and open a huge lane to throw into which the qb did play had nothing to do with VT but more of an obvious poor execution of a defensive play call. I love that this staff is willing to stand by their call and admit who was at fault. I am sure there have been some where DO knows he got beat on but I am also sure it is sickening to watch film, know what call you made and then watch us poorly execute and BOOM a big play! Or giving up 8 on 3rd and 6.

The main thing I think is not being taught is for a lb to know how to get to his zone and still watch the qbs eyes. A qbs eyes will lead you to where the play is going.
The qbs do try to look off a safety but never on a three step drop where the lb is the guy your leaning on to make a play. And as much as a long td catch is great it does nothing for the defense except put them back on the field. I am very happy with the offense, I just would like to see some consistency in te run game and more efficiency on first and second downs. But lets be honest that is nitpicking at best....

We will get there, we are still growing and maturing as a unit and I believe it will happen. Not as fast as some of the unbelievable free agent DCs on here would like, but it will happen
 
Fisch makes me scratch my head at times, but can't argue with the results. Everyone thought we would struggle at WR (i didn't just cause I thought we'd ride Hurns like crazy) and WRs are putting up record numbers. And we got a WR who hasn't caught a pass since his freshman year 5 years ago who was playing DB last year putting up over 100 yards in a game. Fisch had a QB who broke the career INT record throw less than 10 last year as the full time starter - with half coming in the last game (we shouldn't have announced the self bowl ban before the game).

on the flip side our DC had guys last year who had started a lot of games and had played on a solid level look horrible. VT and Ray Ray weren't top notch safeties but they never had played as bad as they played after the current DC got here. Vernon went from looking like a future 1st round pick to a guy who's standing up dropping into coverage one play and rushing from DT the next. Had guys look their worst under him. Moves guys who he felt couldn't play for his defense to offense (where Fisch is getting something out of them) and just keeps on blaming everyone on players. The players didn't vote to play off so much. We had a young defense in 2008 with a new DC and it didn't look this inept even though it didn't look good either. Every other DC i hear talk about young defenses is that you want to be aggressive and let the mistakes be aggressive mistakes. our DC is the opposite. never seen a successful DC take that approach.

Not sure what your beef truly has to do with. I mean you used guys like Ray Ray and OV as examples, wo you do know that Ray Ray was suspended for 5 games last yr right? and OV for 6 games correct? Just not sure how that backs up your argument? I mean last yrs issues were mostly the same as this yrs just for different reasons. Last yrs issues were suspensions and injuries. This yrs is basically not enough talent due to last yrs early draft enrollees and injuries. And we as a fan base have been ****ting on VT since his sophomore yr. and I would say to this point he has not disappointed a single persons issues with his play. Did you notice his totally blown coverage on that late td? Nothing wrong with the call there but the execution. Then there was the touchdown when we dropped 8 into coverage in the endzone just to have EJ run out of his zone for no apparent reason and open a huge lane to throw into which the qb did play had nothing to do with VT but more of an obvious poor execution of a defensive play call. I love that this staff is willing to stand by their call and admit who was at fault. I am sure there have been some where DO knows he got beat on but I am also sure it is sickening to watch film, know what call you made and then watch us poorly execute and BOOM a big play! Or giving up 8 on 3rd and 6.

The main thing I think is not being taught is for a lb to know how to get to his zone and still watch the qbs eyes. A qbs eyes will lead you to where the play is going.
The qbs do try to look off a safety but never on a three step drop where the lb is the guy your leaning on to make a play. And as much as a long td catch is great it does nothing for the defense except put them back on the field. I am very happy with the offense, I just would like to see some consistency in te run game and more efficiency on first and second downs. But lets be honest that is nitpicking at best....

We will get there, we are still growing and maturing as a unit and I believe it will happen. Not as fast as some of the unbelievable free agent DCs on here would like, but it will happen
excellent post
 
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