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Nick Saban, a known cheater like his friend Bill Belichick, wants to limit player compensation

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panthercane said:
Once we finally fast-forward to the P2, the SEC and BIG can come together and create some actual, enforced rules when it comes to NIL. In the meantime, while we still have the NCAA slapping schools on the wrist, any sort of NIL cap will just lead to more money under the table as always.
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I agree whole heartedly with the first half of what you said. The second half is mostly conjecture and crystal ball stuff. I'm with you on a new overseer of the money and regs.
 
TwentySix said:
Oh also **** Nick Saban. Whole ******* football program was riding around in brand new Chargers and Challengers (literally, not just an internet joke) but now he wants to cry about it because being insulated from scrutiny in Tuscaloosa doesn’t do any good.
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he knows bama wont be able to close now, give it time that thing will fall apart without his evals
 
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What exactly does anyone think a salary cap would do? There’s no way you can cap what someone gets in endorsement deals (nor should you be able to) so all you’d be doing would be adding NIL onto a contract. Which, yes, athletes should get a direct cut of revenue. But then they should also be able to make money off endorsement deals which…. Is technically exactly what’s happening right now.

Oh boo ****** hoo only a few schools could compete. Reality check, a few cities run the pro sports leagues, and it’s one hundred percent because of the endorsement deals available to players in those markets.
 
Rellyrell said:
OK, so here’s what happens in the professional world:

-You pay ur own way
-If you get cut, you’re only protected for the upfront, guarantee $
-You don’t have a guaranteed roster spot
-Any off field incident can lead to a void of contract

So in other words:

Universities need to stop supplying free education b/c that’s not happening in the professional world

Players should be able to get cut w/ zero repercussions

Players need to sign a dotted line for contractual obligations

This blurred line of NIL needs to stop being pushed. NIL was never intended to be what we’re seeing, period. The purpose of NIL was to not prohibit a student from being able to profit off their name image or likeness in the commercial world which included lost monies from video games, commercial appearances, apparel sales, memorabilia sales that went only to the University, Apparel Companies, Auctioneers, and/or Electronic Companies.

That was the whole point; the pay for play language was touched upon but not fully executed. My problem w/ the sensationalism is everything has been short sighted, to the point that it’s eroding college athletics, & it’s a want my cake & ice cream too. The same ones that r screaming let NIL remain in its current format are the same ones saying but these are kids and student athletes. One minute u want them to be professionals & the next get the same treatment as a student. You can’t have it both ways,

So if u want CFB to be a minor league football program ala UFL, then let’s go all the way. Let’s separate CFB from College, place a commissioner over all non NCAA participant programs, get a salary cap, get rid of scholarships and bring on contracts, reduce the number of players on a roster, & start treating them like paid professionals. I’m sick of the half stepping; either they’re student athletes that should be able to commercialize off their names or they are professional athletes that will be contracted.
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Love this! Great post!
 
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There's a reason why Saban flamed out in the NFL, players have power there. Saban saw that players in college football were gaining power and he bailed before his shortcomings became evident. He is a guy that relied on being able to outtalent and overwhelm the opposition with superior resources. Tough to do that today, especially with schools like Miami, USC and others now competing in the same marketplace.
 
TwentySix said:
Only made it two pages into this thread but I will literally never understand people that are so pro-salary cap in any sport. Y’all wanna be pro capitalism and free market so bad until it comes to sports.

Also don’t see why “pay to play” has become such a negative term. That’s literally what a contract is. Being paid to do a job.
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Sports is the only field where people actively take the side of the ownership class over labor. There's a reason why, and I'm going to leave it at that.
 
TwentySix said:
What exactly does anyone think a salary cap would do? There’s no way you can cap what someone gets in endorsement deals (nor should you be able to) so all you’d be doing would be adding NIL onto a contract. Which, yes, athletes should get a direct cut of revenue. But then they should also be able to make money off endorsement deals which…. Is technically exactly what’s happening right now.

Oh boo ****** hoo only a few schools could compete. Reality check, a few cities run the pro sports leagues, and it’s one hundred percent because of the endorsement deals available to players in those markets.
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Collective bargaining or a maximum wage law targeted at all college students are the only way to cap NIL.
 
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GojiraCane said:
Collective bargaining or a maximum wage law targeted at all college students are the only way to cap NIL.
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I don’t see any realistic way either of things happen in a way that would change players going to the most notable programs because the opportunities would still be better outside of what they’d get in terms of revenue sharing at somewhere like Bama than it would at Rutgers.

Point being. People need to get over this ****. Players are getting paid now. There isn’t going to be a maximum wage (lmfao) so let’s stop acting like anyone in any other field, sport, etc. is so obsessed with finding ways to cap people’s earnings.
 
Return of the U said:
I think you are mixing apples and oranges here.

I am in the camp that says paid players are no longer "kids" and should be criticized for their performance.

I also think players were compensated more than people wanted to admit prior to NIL through scholarships, nutrition, training, coaching costs (IIRC there were estimates that a player costs big time programs $250k plus a year).

That being said - what you are outlining/comparing to is revenue sharing - which is not NIL. NIL is outside a school. Sure every "team" has a collective, but that is simply a group of people OUTSIDE the school willing to pay players for certain - as D$ put it - deliverables. They are not related to the school. They can bargain for whatever they want with the players on the open market, including limiting the length of NIL deals and how/when they renew or terminate.

That's totally different from pro sports which is a revenue sharing model. Your arguments would hold 10x more weight across the board if it was revenue sharing - which it's not. Additonally, revenue sharing should be bargained for, like any other contract in the real world. That means what college athletes agree to would not necessarily be the same as pro sports - there could be differences. Which is why it's all conjecture when comparing a pro athlete's salary and endorsement deal to NIL.

Then we can talk about paying your own way vs. scholarships, banning collectives to circumvent any bargained for salary cap, limiting transfers, etc.

But as NIL is currently setup, by the NCAA and it's member institutions, there is no valid argument to limiting NIL/collectives or questioning their "intent."

And certainly no reason for Congress to be passing legislation limiting NIL (unconstitutional as anything). Since when does Congress get involved with private contracts?
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OK gentlemen, I’m going to reply to this direct post, to @DMoney & to @Dre.

First off, great topic of discussion. I’m a firm believer that sometimes a message can be lost based upon who’s delivering the msg, even if that msg has merit.

Some of my biggest pet peeves in life are liars, thieves, gaslighters, hypocrites, & those who are disingenuous. So maybe a guy like Nick Saban shouldn’t be the one delivering to Congress a message regarding the need to limit NIL when, for yrs, he coached at an institution giving away high end cars to student athletes, along w/ brown paper bags.

With that being said, there’s a lot of misinformation, conflation, & assumption going on in this thread. I also realize as humans, when faced with a bombardment of ambiguous info, or information that conflicts with personal beliefs/feelings, then it’s hard for the brain to recollect origins of arguments.

Fortunately for you fine ppl, God blessed me w/ the memory of an Elephant, & for da ladays, something else like an elephant (but that’s neither hither nor thither).

I keep seeing this argument of “intent”, & what does that mean? Well, in order to answer that ?, we must examine the genesis of how we got here. Pls follow me in this hot tub machine as I take u back to the year 2014:

It was circa August 2014, where former UCLA Bruin Ed O’Bannon decided to sue the NCAA. Now, I’ll spare u the reason “why”, as that has no merit, but let’s get into the crux of his lawsuit. He sued the NCAA for PROFITING, WHILE COMMERCIALIZING HIS NAME, IMAGE, & LIKENESS FOR NCAA EVENTS. Ed O contended that the USE of his NIL for advertisement & PROFIT w/o any momentary compensation was in violation of Antitrust laws.

In essence, the NIL precedence that was fought for was the commercializing of a current or former player’s name, image, or likeness for the profit of another entity, which included EA Sports (2009). The NCAA used the argument of amateurism to dispute such claims, that they were using said NIL for marketing promotions, only, not as a means to profit off the plaintiff’s NIL.

So again, the NIL case was regarding the COMMERCIAL usage for PROFIT by a 3rd party entity. This was the INTENT.

As a result of O'Bannon, a number of other class-action lawsuits filed by student athletes against the NCAA and colleges followed, challenging other restrictions on educational funds as being anti-competitive.

These were combined into a single suit also heard by Judge Wilken, who ruled against the NCAA in March 2019 and required the NCAA to allow students to obtain other non-cash scholarships, internships and other support beyond the full cost of attendance for academic purposes.

Some of these benefits include private tutoring, advanced class selection and access to exclusive college benefits. THE COURT WORRIED THAT ALLOWING COLLEGE ATHLETES TO PROFIT OFF THEIR NIL WOULD ALLOW LARGE SCHOOLS WITH LARGE FANBASES TO OFFER MORE MONEY TO PLAYERS.

When the NCAA made adjustments to allow NIL, in July 2021 after SCOTUS’ ruling, here were the concessions:

-NCAA could no longer restrict a student athlete from entering into sponsorship or paid endorsement deals.

-The NCAA could no longer restrict a student athlete from using an agent to help them navigate said deals

-Athletes can participate in NIL activities like autographs, camps, personal appearances, and more.

-College athletes can earn money from the commercial use of their NIL, but schools are still prohibited from paying them directly*

-Schools can help student-athletes with NIL activities, such as identifying opportunities and facilitating deals. However, student-athletes must disclose NIL arrangements to their school and maintain control over the terms of their agreements.

-The NCAA's name, image, and likeness (NIL) rules prohibit pay-for-play, which is when an athlete is paid simply for playing their sport. The NCAA requires that any NIL deal be a quid pro quo arrangement, meaning that athletes must provide something in exchange for the money they receive.*

These are supposed to be the parameters, so let’s cut the bull ****:

1. No one I’ve seen have ever said they had a problem w/ NIL; the opponents of it is the CURRENT state its in, where boosters & Universities are trying to skirt the lines of point 4 while they r still in violation of point 6.

2. No, this is not about “revenue sharing.” This is about the pure nature of NIL becoming something it was never intended for. However, I’m a big fan of the promotion of revenue sharing moving fwd.

3. No one is arguing against student athletes being able to make as much money as possible, that’s called free enterprise. The NFL can’t stop a player from starting their own podcast, entering an endorsement deal with multiple companies, etc., but they **** well can put a cap on contracts & the language of said contracts.

4. If there’s no parameters around NIL, if it remains a true pay for play, then it’s time to replace scholarships with signed year to year NIL agreements. You cannot say these guys should be treated as professionals while receiving the benefits of amateurism.

5. Collectives are working on behalf of the University; is Canes Collectives funding recruits to play ball at The University of Florida or UCF? Fck no, so let’s stop pretending these are commercial opportunities for student athletes.

I think it’s really time to stop the semantics, stop the revision of history. Here’s what I know about this fan base:

If NIL dried up from the collectives tomorrow, u will be the 1st ones complaining that parameters are needed.

Again, no one is arguing that a student athlete should not be allowed to commercialize & monetize off their names, image, & likeness; what the opponents are saying bags, whether under the table or over the table, to entice a kid to play ball at a school or even leave a school should be regulated.
 
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TwentySix said:
I don’t see any realistic way either of things happen in a way that would change players going to the most notable programs because the opportunities would still be better outside of what they’d get in terms of revenue sharing at somewhere like Bama than it would at Rutgers.

Point being. People need to get over this ****. Players are getting paid now. There isn’t going to be a maximum wage (lmfao) so let’s stop acting like anyone in any other field, sport, etc. is so obsessed with finding ways to cap people’s earnings.
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I don’t care about it. Miami can compete, that’s all that matters. They could not compete under the previous alliance between Saban and Emerett.

Just writing what would need to happen to cap NIL - a law capping or forbidding college students from earning money while students, or unionization.
 
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