New Walk-on Rule

[No_Fly_Zone]

Meh, doubtful. This is basically just another form of gray shirt for the big state schools. Won't benefit Miami with kids who would actually contribute on the field.

It really isn't. A grayshirt isn't enrolled full time in the fall semester and can't practice with the team until they enroll second term. And since they get a scholarship after 1 semester, they still (eventually) cost an initial counter. Apples and oranges.

 

[Canes1968]

It really isn't. A grayshirt isn't enrolled full time in the fall semester and can't practice with the team until they enroll second term. And since they get a scholarship after 1 semester, they still (eventually) cost an initial counter. Apples and oranges.

So, it's an even better form of gray shirt. The kid gets to enroll and participate with the team then gets awarded a scholarship the next year without it counting as an initial counter. Will this benefit us at times? Sure. On net though, it will be more beneficial to the big state schools.

Schools like Bama will be able to convince some highly ranked kids to go this route, while of course getting everything paid for by boosters, and it works better for the kid because he only has to wait one year to get that scholarship. If it was 2 years, those kids probably just choose to sign somewhere else for the immediate scholarship.

Just wait, you see this happening at schools like Bama, but you won't see it happening at Miami.

 

[No_Fly_Zone]

So, it's an even better form of gray shirt. The kid gets to enroll and participate with the team then gets awarded a scholarship the next year without it counting as an initial counter. Will this benefit us at times? Sure. On net though, it will be more beneficial to the big state schools.

Schools like Bama will be able to convince some highly ranked kids to go this route, while of course getting everything paid for by boosters, and it works better for the kid because he only has to wait one year to get that scholarship. If it was 2 years, those kids probably just choose to sign somewhere else for the immediate scholarship.

Just wait, you see this happening at schools like Bama, but you won't see it happening at Miami.

No, it is not a "better" gray shirt. It is a completely different recruiting tool. And you are forgetting the fact that the walk-on year counts as a year of eligibility. The gray shirt still has 5 years to play 4 from the time he enrolls in the following Spring.

It would require a lot more convincing (or a heavier bag) to get a kid to accept a walk-on for a year, pay out of pocket, and lose a season of eligibility. The more likely beneficiaries of the new walk-on rule will be special teams players, developmental 2* types, and the rare low 3* who doesn't like any of the schools on his offer list. And now a private school like UM can ask someone to come be a PWO at a cost of $50K instead of $100K without using an initial counter.

 

[Canes1968]

No, it is not a "better" gray shirt. It is a completely different recruiting tool. And you are forgetting the fact that the walk-on year counts as a year of eligibility. The gray shirt still has 5 years to play 4 from the time he enrolls in the following Spring.

It would require a lot more convincing (or a heavier bag) to get a kid to accept a walk-on for a year, pay out of pocket, and lose a season of eligibility. The more likely beneficiaries of the new walk-on rule will be special teams players, developmental 2* types, and the rare low 3* who doesn't like any of the schools on his offer list. And now a private school like UM can ask someone to come be a PWO at a cost of $50K instead of $100K without using an initial counter.

A walk-on doesn't lose a season of eligibility. He can still play. And let's be honest, these kids aren't going to pay out of pocket at schools like Bama. Everything will be covered by the boosters. Moving it from 2 years to 1 year just made it less costly for the boosters and less risky for the kid since he only has to wait 1 year to find out if the school is going to actually honor that wink wink promise to offer a scholarship.

 

[Drewny1]

Not many kids that could actually contribute at Miami would qualify for an academic scholarship, so that's not super helpful for us.

What you will see is schools like Bama and tOSU who convince highly rated kids to walk-on and pay their own way for a year though (of course supported by booster funds). That just isn't possible at Miami given the cost of attendance.

If you properly evaluate and recruit walk-ons, that shouldnt be a problem.

 

[Drewny1]

So, it's an even better form of gray shirt. The kid gets to enroll and participate with the team then gets awarded a scholarship the next year without it counting as an initial counter. Will this benefit us at times? Sure. On net though, it will be more beneficial to the big state schools.

Schools like Bama will be able to convince some highly ranked kids to go this route, while of course getting everything paid for by boosters, and it works better for the kid because he only has to wait one year to get that scholarship. If it was 2 years, those kids probably just choose to sign somewhere else for the immediate scholarship.

Just wait, you see this happening at schools like Bama, but you won't see it happening at Miami.

It should also help out G5 schools like Marshall. Doc Holliday has already convinced 3 FCS recruits with solid offers to instead come to Marshall and walk-on and has set guidelines on and off the field for them to be awarded scholarships next year.

 

[Canes1968]

If you properly evaluate and recruit walk-ons, that shouldnt be a problem.

I think you are missing the point entirely.

My point is this. Let's say for example that Bama has 25 spots to fill for a class but they've got 29 highly rated kids that want to come. Bama may not want to gray shirt the kid, which would limit their numbers for the next class, so instead, they convince the kid to walk-on and give him a wink wink promise that he'll be granted a scholarship after 1 year. Under the old rule where a kid would have to wait 2 years for that scholarship, that's probably too big of a risk for the kid, so they would probably just sign elsewhere (maybe Miami). However, now that it's just 1 year, that's suddenly not such a big risk. Additionally, the fact that it is only 1 year makes it cheaper for Bama's boosters to cover this kid's out of pocket costs.

 

[Drewny1]

I think you are missing the point entirely.

My point is this. Let's say for example that Bama has 25 spots to fill for a class but they've got 29 highly rated kids that want to come. Bama may not want to gray shirt the kid, which would limit their numbers for the next class, so instead, they convince the kid to walk-on and give him a wink wink promise that he'll be granted a scholarship after 1 year. Under the old rule where a kid would have to wait 2 years for that scholarship, that's probably too big of a risk for the kid, so they would probably just sign elsewhere (maybe Miami). However, now that it's just 1 year, that's suddenly not such a big risk. Additionally, the fact that it is only 1 year makes it cheaper for Bama's boosters to cover this kid's out of pocket costs.

The thing is this, this would be a kid that Bama finds late late like Josh Jacobs or Jaylen Moody from last year. The kids your talking about is that 3* kid who doesnt like his current scholarship options. Not the 4* kid with multiple P5 options.

 

[Canes1968]

The thing is this, this would be a kid that Bama finds late late like Josh Jacobs or Jaylen Moody from last year. The kids your talking about is that 3* kid who doesnt like his current scholarship options. Not the 4* kid with multiple P5 options.

No, I’m talking about the 4* kid that just wants to go to Bama.

 

[Drewny1]

No, I’m talking about the 4* kid that just wants to go to Bama.

idk man