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New Walk-on Rule

Shogungts said:
I don't think it is a terrible idea, but

1) Miami is expensive $50K per year (Marshall is ~$8K in-state and ~$20K out-of-state). I realize that there are programs to help with costs, but they aren't making up that difference. You need to add housing to both schools costs on top of that. That is a lot of dough to most people and if you dont make the team...

2) Hopefully most years we aren't taking PWOs b/c we are constantly recruiting enough high caliber kids each year. I realize that has not been the case of late.
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Cough.... cough... Miami is now $68k a year in 2019... hard to get walk-ons without serious academic money! We need them for scout team so our 3rd and sometimes 2nd string guys are not getting hurt on scout team!

Totally agree with #2 but again scout team.
 
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Drewny1 said:
No it changed to 1 year
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Please provide a link to this rule change. I’m pretty certain you are incorrect. The change to 2 years was just enacted recently. They wouldn’t have changed it to 1 year so quickly.

As per usual, it appears you have no idea what you are talking about.
 
Drewny1 said:
So the new rule for Walk-ons is if a walk-on is on campus for a full academic year, they can be put on scholarship and it doesnt count towards the initial 25.

My question is this do you think Miami should take advantage of this rule but targeting committed FCS kids to walk on here with the hopes of earning a scholarship next summer? Marshall has convinced 3 committed FCS kids with full scholarship offers to drop their committment to the FCS schools and walk-on.
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They still count towards the 85 schoalrship limit.

Our issue isn’t bodies for ‘19 so much as talent. If there are kids who can play at UM, bring them in. Otherwise, meh.
 
CaneInMe said:
Cough.... cough... Miami is now $68k a year in 2019... hard to get walk-ons without serious academic money! We need them for scout team so our 3rd and sometimes 2nd string guys are not getting hurt on scout team!

Totally agree with #2 but again scout team.
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What % of the student body actually pays full fare?
 
Drewny1 said:
So the new rule for Walk-ons is if a walk-on is on campus for a full academic year, they can be put on scholarship and it doesnt count towards the initial 25.

My question is this do you think Miami should take advantage of this rule but targeting committed FCS kids to walk on here with the hopes of earning a scholarship next summer? Marshall has convinced 3 committed FCS kids with full scholarship offers to drop their committment to the FCS schools and walk-on.
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If it would in any way help us, then fck yeah we should do it.
 
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Canes1968 said:
Please provide a link to this rule change. I’m pretty certain you are incorrect. The change to 2 years was just enacted recently. They wouldn’t have changed it to 1 year so quickly.

As per usual, it appears you have no idea what you are talking about.
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idk what thread it was posted in but it was posted just the other day
 
Ethnicsands said:
What % of the student body actually pays full fare?
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They are tighter than you think with athletes. They do give a small grant to the majority of students who can get in (under $10k). State of FL kicks in like $1500 a semester if they are in-state kids. Think top test scores get money. For a kid to walk-on at UM says a lot about their desire to be a Cane! Super easy and CHEAP to be a Gator, Nole, Knight, or Bull. Scout teams help win games and keep starters/2nd string healthy so you wont find me bashing a Cane walk-on. Love when the staff gives a scholly to a walk-on. They earn it and what does it hurt?
 
CaneInMe said:
They are tighter than you think with athletes. They do give a small grant to the majority of students who can get in (under $10k). State of FL kicks in like $1500 a semester if they are in-state kids. Think top test scores get money. For a kid to walk-on at UM says a lot about their desire to be a Cane! Super easy and CHEAP to be a Gator, Nole, Knight, or Bull. Scout teams help win games and keep starters/2nd string healthy so you wont find me bashing a Cane walk-on. Love when the staff gives a scholly to a walk-on. They earn it and what does it hurt?
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My bright futures paid about $1500 a semester when I was there in Mid 2000s. It was roughly 50k a year when I was going there. Pretty crazy how it's gone up to nearly 70k a year.
 
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Drewny1 said:
Nope the rule changed
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It didn't and you can't provide any evidence to support it, which is par for the course for you.

The rule is that scholarships awarded to walk-ons who have been on campus for 2 or more academic years do not count against the initial counter limit for the year. That rule was implemented last year when they implemented the other new scholarship rules. It has not changed since.
 
Ethnicsands said:
What % of the student body actually pays full fare?
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not sure if you attended UM or not, but students do get academic scholarships (Miami is automatic in that the moment you get in). others take out loans and get grants based on parents income. if neither apply, you're paying full. i knew a decent amount of kids who paid full price when i was there
 
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Canes1968 said:
It didn't and you can't provide any evidence to support it, which is par for the course for you.

The rule is that scholarships awarded to walk-ons who have been on campus for 2 or more academic years do not count against the initial counter limit for the year. That rule was implemented last year when they implemented the other new scholarship rules. It has not changed since.
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Someone better tell the NCAA that their rule is wrong then since it says 1 year.

The old rule was 2 years adopted in 1989 and revised in 1990.

15.5.6.3.6 Aid First Awarded After Second Year. [FBS/FCS] A student-athlete who has been in residence at the certifying institution for at least two academic years may receive athletically related financial aid for the first time without such aid counting as an initial award, provided the aid falls within the overall grant limitation. (Adopted: 1/11/89, Revised: 1/10/90 effective 8/1/90)

It was revised again in 2018 and changed to 1 year.

15.5.6.3.5 Aid First Awarded After First Year. [FBS/FCS] A student-athlete who has been in residence at the certifying institution for at least one academic year may receive athletically related financial aid for the first time without such aid counting as an initial award, provided the aid falls within the overall grant limitation. (Adopted: 1/11/89, Revised: 1/10/90 effective 8/1/90, 4/25/18 effective 8/1/18)

Also:

15.5.1.10.1.2 Exception—Agreement After One Year. [FBS] A student-athlete who has been in residence at the certifying institution for at least one academic year may sign a financial aid agreement for the first time without counting toward the annual limit on signings. (Adopted: 4/26/17 effective 8/1/17 for signings that occur on or after 8/1/17, Revised: 4/25/18 effective 8/1/18)
 
ace said:

Someone better tell the NCAA that their rule is wrong then since it says 1 year.

The old rule was 2 years adopted in 1989 and revised in 1990.

15.5.6.3.6 Aid First Awarded After Second Year. [FBS/FCS] A student-athlete who has been in residence at the certifying institution for at least two academic years may receive athletically related financial aid for the first time without such aid counting as an initial award, provided the aid falls within the overall grant limitation. (Adopted: 1/11/89, Revised: 1/10/90 effective 8/1/90)

It was revised again in 2018 and changed to 1 year.

15.5.6.3.5 Aid First Awarded After First Year. [FBS/FCS] A student-athlete who has been in residence at the certifying institution for at least one academic year may receive athletically related financial aid for the first time without such aid counting as an initial award, provided the aid falls within the overall grant limitation. (Adopted: 1/11/89, Revised: 1/10/90 effective 8/1/90, 4/25/18 effective 8/1/18)

Also:

15.5.1.10.1.2 Exception—Agreement After One Year. [FBS] A student-athlete who has been in residence at the certifying institution for at least one academic year may sign a financial aid agreement for the first time without counting toward the annual limit on signings. (Adopted: 4/26/17 effective 8/1/17 for signings that occur on or after 8/1/17, Revised: 4/25/18 effective 8/1/18)
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I stand corrected. My bad. Apologies @Drewny1

Thanks for finding this.

I find it unusual that the NCAA would have adopted a new rule in 2017 at the same time they added the new rule limiting annual signings then, one year later revised that rule. Moving it to 1 year is a huge benefit for state schools as it makes it easier for them to avoid being bitten by the limit on annual signings. That’s a ****** development for schools like Miami.
 
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Canes1968 said:
I stand corrected. My bad. Apologies @Drewny1

Thanks for finding this.

I find it unusual that the NCAA would have adopted a new rule in 2017 at the same time they added the new rule limiting annual signings then, one year later revised that rule. Moving it to 1 year is a huge benefit for state schools as it makes it easier for them to avoid being bitten by the limit on annual signings. That’s a ****** development for schools like Miami.
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Not really

Now we can get kids in on an Academic scholarship like the Larson kid last year then put him on full scholarship after 1 year and it doesnt count towards the initial count. Plus when was the last time Miami was at Full 85 scholarships?
 
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Drewny1 said:
Not really

Now we can get kids in on an Academic scholarship like the Larson kid last year then put him on full scholarship after 1 year and it doesnt count towards the initial count. Plus when was the last time Miami was at Full 85 scholarships?
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Agreed. And in fact, an argument can be made the rule change will help more expensive, private schools like UM over cheaper, public schools like UiF. It costs about $50K a year to attend UM, versus UiF in-state at around $7K and out-of-state at about $28K. If a PWO residing in the state of Florida is looking at those options, he'll have to figure out a way to pay $50K at UM vs. $7K at UiF (a $43K difference in favor of UiF), assuming he can get a scholarship in year 2. Under the old rule, the decision would (at a minimum) be between paying $100K at UM vs. $14K at UiF (a difference in favor of UiF of $86K). For the out-of-state walk on, the rule change turns a $44K cost difference into a $22K difference.

Comparatively, this may benefit UM more because our tuition is more.
 
how is an academic year defined?

was clay james on campus for a full academic year before being granted his scholarship?
 
Drewny1 said:
Not really

Now we can get kids in on an Academic scholarship like the Larson kid last year then put him on full scholarship after 1 year and it doesnt count towards the initial count. Plus when was the last time Miami was at Full 85 scholarships?
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Not many kids that could actually contribute at Miami would qualify for an academic scholarship, so that's not super helpful for us.

What you will see is schools like Bama and tOSU who convince highly rated kids to walk-on and pay their own way for a year though (of course supported by booster funds). That just isn't possible at Miami given the cost of attendance.
 
No_Fly_Zone said:
Agreed. And in fact, an argument can be made the rule change will help more expensive, private schools like UM over cheaper, public schools like UiF. It costs about $50K a year to attend UM, versus UiF in-state at around $7K and out-of-state at about $28K. If a PWO residing in the state of Florida is looking at those options, he'll have to figure out a way to pay $50K at UM vs. $7K at UiF (a $43K difference in favor of UiF), assuming he can get a scholarship in year 2. Under the old rule, the decision would (at a minimum) be between paying $100K at UM vs. $14K at UiF (a difference in favor of UiF of $86K). For the out-of-state walk on, the rule change turns a $44K cost difference into a $22K difference.

Comparatively, this may benefit UM more because our tuition is more.
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Meh, doubtful. This is basically just another form of gray shirt for the big state schools. Won't benefit Miami with kids who would actually contribute on the field.
 
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