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Katzenboyer said:
How about refuting my point? Bama has recruited SIX top 30 players on OL the last four years. Miami hasn’t come close.

That **** matters when comparing freshman at Bama starting v. our freshman this year.
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I’m talking about Zion. How did you make it a referendum on Alabaga’s past recruiting? I don’t give a fck about their past recruiting.
 
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The Franchise said:
I’m talking about Zion. How did you make it a referendum on Alabaga’s past recruiting? I don’t give a fck about their past recruiting.
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Because you love criticizing posters and throwing the “these guys suck Bama’s nuts!” line at anybody who disagrees with you. If you read my post, you’d see why Zion (or any true freshman for that matter) winning the job at Bama or Clemson is a far tougher task because of the depth and skill they’ve acquired at that position - depth and skill Miami is sorely lacking.

Zion starting for the Canes shouldn’t be applauded because he’s beating out trash juniors and seniors. That’s an indictment on the recruiting/development at the position these past few years, not a positive reflection on Zion’s ability.
 
Katzenboyer said:
How did it work out with FSU’s OL getting to go against a pretty good DL (including a first round pick) in practice last year?

Talent is talent. A two-star starting at LT is a major problem for a team that’s supposed to be competing for ACC titles. If you choose to drink the Kool-Aid, that’s your prerogative.
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You are missing the point.... The post you were responding to says that a Former NFL coach says he has taken to training well and is getting to watch him go up against a pretty good d-line to gauge how well he is.

Your response was about FSU Oline and how they went against a good dline, how do you know they (FSU Oline) weren't getting whipped in practice? And whether they were or weren't, it is wholly irrelevant. Tee didn't say Zion was stonewalling Garvin, just that Barry has a top DE to put against this Frosh and see how he holds up.

Also, to state that Zion starting in an indictment on the recruiting/development, not a positive reflection on his ability is a tad bit disingenuous....

If we had All-ACC tackles and he beat them I agree he would be applauded a lot more but to completely discount what the kid has done and just say he is only playing because everyone else sucks is simply inaccurate.
 
Cookie917 said:
You are missing the point.... The post you were responding to says that a Former NFL coach says he has taken to training well and is getting to watch him go up against a pretty good d-line to gauge how well he is.
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You're not wrong, but what is Barry supposed to say? "We have depth issues so Zion is what we have to go with?"

Your response was about FSU Oline and how they went against a good dline, how do you know they (FSU Oline) weren't getting whipped in practice? Also, to state that Zion starting in an indictment on the recruiting/development, not a positive reflection on his ability is a rad bit disingenuous....
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I don't know that. I just took issue with your statement that seemingly indicates Zion will be good simply because he goes against a good DL in practice.

As for the second point, a true freshman starting LT is absolutely an indictment on the development of the roster. I didn't mean it as "Zion stinks," I meant it in a way that it doesn't matter how good he is or can be -- Miami, as a program, shouldn't be in a place where it has to rely on freshman LTs.

If we're an ACC contender, we should be able to have both these things at the same time: 1.) Zion looks amazing in practice and his development is a terrific sign for the program, and 2.) the upperclassmen in front of him make it so that he doesn't need to start and he's allowed to continue development as a tactician in his first year or two. It shouldn't be an either/or thing.

If we had All-ACC tackles and he beat them I agree he would be applauded a lot more but to completely discount what the kid has done and just say he is only playing because everyone else sucks is simply inaccurate.
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That's not what I'm saying. He deserves credit for re-shaping his body and playing well in camp. But some of the earlier posts in this thread are already penciling this guy in for All-American status, and I think we need to pump the brakes on that a tad.

Put another way: if the Gators were starting a true freshman, two-star LT on 8/24, we'd be feeling pretty good, wouldn't we?
 
Katzenboyer said:
Because you love criticizing posters and throwing the “these guys suck Bama’s nuts!” line at anybody who disagrees with you. If you read my post, you’d see why Zion (or any true freshman for that matter) winning the job at Bama or Clemson is a far tougher task because of the depth and skill they’ve acquired at that position - depth and skill Miami is sorely lacking.

Zion starting for the Canes shouldn’t be applauded because he’s beating out trash juniors and seniors. That’s an indictment on the recruiting/development at the position these past few years, not a positive reflection on Zion’s ability.
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That wasn’t the discussion. But keep tugging those SEC nuts.
 
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What a dumb*ss hill to die in. Posturing to be the one claiming that Zion does not deserve praise for his growth and emergence. He'll surely have freshman moments, but my money is on this dude looking like a dumb*ss
 
Katzenboyer said:
You're not wrong, but what is Barry supposed to say? "We have depth issues so Zion is what we have to go with?"



I don't know that. I just took issue with your statement that seemingly indicates Zion will be good simply because he goes against a good DL in practice.

As for the second point, a true freshman starting LT is absolutely an indictment on the development of the roster. I didn't mean it as "Zion stinks," I meant it in a way that it doesn't matter how good he is or can be -- Miami, as a program, shouldn't be in a place where it has to rely on freshman LTs.

If we're an ACC contender, we should be able to have both these things at the same time: 1.) Zion looks amazing in practice and his development is a terrific sign for the program, and 2.) the upperclassmen in front of him make it so that he doesn't need to start and he's allowed to continue development as a tactician in his first year or two. It shouldn't be an either/or thing.



That's not what I'm saying. He deserves credit for re-shaping his body and playing well in camp. But some of the earlier posts in this thread are already penciling this guy in for All-American status, and I think we need to pump the brakes on that a tad.

Put another way: if the Gators were starting a true freshman, two-star LT on 8/24, we'd be feeling pretty good, wouldn't we?
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A few years back Clemson, Washington and bama all started a true freshman lineman and they made the playoffs. That’s the top 2 most talented teams doing that with depth everywhere
 
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brock said:
A few years back Clemson, Washington and bama all started a true freshman lineman and they made the playoffs. That’s the top 2 most talented teams doing that with depth everywhere
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But we can’t succeed with a freshman OL because we were 7-6 last year. That makes perfect sense in SEC slurp world doesn’t it?
 
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CFDan said:
ok? is he suiting up? they're still the same players that were 4* players a couple of years ago. and most of them are young guys. they can be coached up.
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No, but OL, more than any other position group in football, isn't a "snap your fingers" overnight turnaround job. Searels poor development really hurt the program. As evidenced by the fact that we are relying on a two-star true freshman to be our starter at left tackle game 1 against UF.

I swear this board has schizophrenia. If this were occuring at UF or FSU, the Gator/Noles tears threads would be lighting up. But because some of us are pointing this fact out about the Canes, we're either 1) SEC BALLWASHERS LULUZ or 2.) not true fans. Give me a break.
 
The Franchise said:
But we can’t succeed with a freshman OL because we were 7-6 last year. That makes perfect sense in SEC slurp world doesn’t it?
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1. True freshman.
2. Two-star on Rivals.
3. Weighed 240 pounds six months ago.
4. Next best offer was Appalachian State.

Context is everything, my friend. And when looking at this in context, it's worrisome. Doesn't mean Zion's doomed to failure - I just wish we weren't in this position.
 
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Katzenboyer said:
No, but OL, more than any other position group in football, isn't a "snap your fingers" overnight turnaround job. Searels poor development really hurt the program. As evidenced by the fact that we are relying on a two-star true freshman to be our starter at left tackle game 1 against UF.

I swear this board has schizophrenia. If this were occuring at UF or FSU, the Gator/Noles tears threads would be lighting up. But because some of us are pointing this fact out about the Canes, we're either 1) SEC BALLWASHERS LULUZ or 2.) not true fans. Give me a break.
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guess i missed where i said either (1) or (2). care to point it out to me?

in any case, my take on this zion thing is if he shows he's the best option vs. OUR DL, considered one of the best in the ACC, then let's roll with him and have some faith. im certainly not going to sign onto a miami hurricanes message board and express my fear and sadness that he's winning the job.
 
Katzenboyer said:
1. True freshman.
2. Two-star on Rivals.
3. Weighed 240 pounds six months ago.
4. Next best offer was Appalachian State.

Context is everything, my friend. And when looking at this in context, it's worrisome. Doesn't mean Zion's doomed to failure - I just wish we weren't in this position.
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None of those figures apply now, goofball. What does his weight 6 months ago have to do with right now? This is why it makes no sense to try to talk sense to most of the guys on here. He was an App State recruit because he weighed 240 pounds. That and his location in HS is also why he was a 2 star.

Those factors are no longer present, so why bring them up? If he was still 240 pounds and was starting at LT, then you’d have a point. But he isn’t, so you’re spewing nonsense.
 
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