Negativity

[OldManCane]

Why do you feel the need to counsel posters on a message board? First, the likelihood of it influencing your intended audience - in the way you purportedly intend - is nonexistent. Second, do you actually care about these posters' feelings? If so, then aren't you ignoring your own advice?

And the contention that we should not care about CFB because people from the "real world," which you define as NY, LA, and two foreign cities is not only bizarre, but factually wrong. First, USC and UM are from cities that fall within your description of the real world, and each has dominated CFB for long stretches. Nor would anyone rightly describe Palo Alto as "hokie [and] backwater," and Stanford has been a top team over the past several years as well. Second, there are huge numbers of fans from big cities that follow CFB religiously.

I stated what I believe to be fact, how it affects any of you is up to you. In other words, I tell it like I see it.

Your comments do not affect me at all. I'm asking why you are apparently impacted by what others post here. Specifically, you said that you "legitimately feel bad" for posters and counsel them to "Relax[, because] you live in a beautiful city."


To your other question, I rattled off the first four big cities I could think of. USC? HAAHAHAHA buddy.... Los Angeles doesn't give one **** about USC just like Miami doesn't give one **** about the canes. No offense. If the city of Miami gave a ****, we would have 10x more money than Alabama. But they don't, and we don't.

Stanford? Their own students don't even give a **** about that team.


College football has a small and religious following outside the south, but it's far, far from the mainstream. New York, LA, these are NFL towns. So is Miami.

The only place where college football has a big following is the old slave states down south. It is what it is.

Wow. You have an astounding grasp on the obvious. Of course college football is bigger in college towns than in big cities, because the college towns do not have professional sports. Most people (though not me) prefer professional sports to college. So for fans who have both where they live generally are more passionate about the pro teams. But so what. That does not mean a team from a big city or a non-hokie town cannot be successful, as demonstrated by UM, USC, and Stanford.

And it also does not mean there are not a huge number of college football fans in big cities. Notre Dame and Michigan have huge numbers of fans in NY and Chicago. I live in NVA (outside DC) and there is a big following for UF, Va Tech, Notre Dame, and USC among others.

But again, who gives a **** what people in your definition of the real world care about? Why does that matter, even slightly?

It's simply a way to put things in to perspective. It isn't the "norm" to obsess over college football, so if you're one of those people who does, maybe you've gotta examine that.

Texas is even worse. In Texas, you have people who obsess that way over high school ball. That's just wrong all around.

 

[drifters1234]

With no respect at all, who gives a crap what the girls in Paris, NYC, LA, or London think. If the truth be known only thing that matters is God and salvation, in the big picture, and the self-proclaimed better than anyone fools in those cities spend time at all thinking about that. So if we decide to get a little to worked up over young kids playing games instead of an non-*** "artist" splashing some substance on something and calling it art, what is it to you. And as a matter of fact, get out of your cab and take a walk in those areas of the cities mentioned where REAL people live -- you know one that sweat when they work for a living - and see what they think in important. Tell a REAL person in London their "football" isn't important and they are silly to be worried about it. Or the south side of LA, or outside the high rent districts of NYC. Now I'll give you Paris, nobody their thinks anything at all.

The difference is professional football players or soccer players or whatever are GROWN MEN and they're PAID to do what they do.

They have crazy fanboys obsessing over them too, but at least they're making a few million for it.

You guys constantly rip on college students.

This Jake Heaps thing for example. Y'all are ripping on this kid, he is moving to Miami from ******* KANSAS, he's probably going to be living hand to mouth in a small apartment the size of my bedroom because the ******* NCAA won't let student athletes make a living, and on top of that he has a wife and a kid to support.

But you guys want to tear in to the kid before he's even arrived.

I completely agree that posters are way over the top in attacking college kids. Ironically, it's counterproductive for purposes of attracting the top recruits.

But you've completely changed your position, as this is not anywhere in your original post, which was focused on how bad you supposedly feel for posters on this site - a completely laughable assertion.

 

[OldManCane]

Why do you feel the need to counsel posters on a message board? First, the likelihood of it influencing your intended audience - in the way you purportedly intend - is nonexistent. Second, do you actually care about these posters' feelings? If so, then aren't you ignoring your own advice?

And the contention that we should not care about CFB because people from the "real world," which you define as NY, LA, and two foreign cities is not only bizarre, but factually wrong. First, USC and UM are from cities that fall within your description of the real world, and each has dominated CFB for long stretches. Nor would anyone rightly describe Palo Alto as "hokie [and] backwater," and Stanford has been a top team over the past several years as well. Second, there are huge numbers of fans from big cities that follow CFB religiously.

I stated what I believe to be fact, how it affects any of you is up to you. In other words, I tell it like I see it.

To your other question, I rattled off the first four big cities I could think of. USC? HAAHAHAHA buddy.... Los Angeles doesn't give one **** about USC just like Miami doesn't give one **** about the canes. No offense. If the city of Miami gave a ****, we would have 10x more money than Alabama. But they don't, and we don't.

Stanford? Their own students don't even give a **** about that team.

College football has a small and religious following outside the south, but it's far, far from the mainstream. New York, LA, these are NFL towns. So is Miami.

The only place where college football has a big following is the old slave states down south. It is what it is.

And where do South Bend, Ann Arbor, Columbus, fall within you definition of old slave states down south?

Derp derp derp....

 

[drifters1234]

Why do you feel the need to counsel posters on a message board? First, the likelihood of it influencing your intended audience - in the way you purportedly intend - is nonexistent. Second, do you actually care about these posters' feelings? If so, then aren't you ignoring your own advice?

And the contention that we should not care about CFB because people from the "real world," which you define as NY, LA, and two foreign cities is not only bizarre, but factually wrong. First, USC and UM are from cities that fall within your description of the real world, and each has dominated CFB for long stretches. Nor would anyone rightly describe Palo Alto as "hokie [and] backwater," and Stanford has been a top team over the past several years as well. Second, there are huge numbers of fans from big cities that follow CFB religiously.

I stated what I believe to be fact, how it affects any of you is up to you. In other words, I tell it like I see it.

To your other question, I rattled off the first four big cities I could think of. USC? HAAHAHAHA buddy.... Los Angeles doesn't give one **** about USC just like Miami doesn't give one **** about the canes. No offense. If the city of Miami gave a ****, we would have 10x more money than Alabama. But they don't, and we don't.

Stanford? Their own students don't even give a **** about that team.

College football has a small and religious following outside the south, but it's far, far from the mainstream. New York, LA, these are NFL towns. So is Miami.

The only place where college football has a big following is the old slave states down south. It is what it is.

And where do South Bend, Ann Arbor, Columbus, fall within you definition of old slave states down south?

Derp derp derp....

Are you suggesting that South Bend, Ann Arbor, and Columbus do not have a "big following" (your words) for their teams?

 

[BWCD]

Difference is I'm a FAN of the team, meaning I SUPPORT the team. I donate to the school where I can, I go to games, I clap, and I cheer. It's a fun thing for an old man to do.

Glad you're having fun. I still have fun rooting for the team, but that certainly doesn't mean that I can't point out something stupid we do when I see it. Whether it's the coaches, the kids, our administration, and so on...NO ONE should muzzle themselves from that just because it's negative. If it's true, it's true. Folks can get overboard with it, sure, but to call for complete positivity just for the sake of being a happy-happy-clappy-clappy fan like you is a ****-stupid thing to request of more passionate fans of the Canes.

What I DON'T do is get all up in arms negative about how down in the dumps you think we are. I don't rip on college kids living hand to mouth and working their butts off just because they have a bad day on the field.

Yeah--they can have bad days. Almost all players in any sport can have a bad day. We're not talking about one bad day here, we're talking about several years of mediocrity compared to our history from about 1980-early 2000's.

When you're not as good as you used to be, the fans WILL find something wrong and rightly discuss it. It gets a little overbearing and tiring to hear the same arguments time and time again, I can agree with that...but it's not gonna just go away.

I take this sport for what it is - a great chance for most of these young men to get an education, and a great chance for some of these young men to make a professional career out of football. Winning is nice too. But win at all costs? Not at this level.

I agree with the argument against "win at all costs" and that mentality, and also the angle of these kids getting an education...but as I pointed out, I think you've seen more vitriol and that type of desperation come due to the Miami football (and athletic programs, really) being on somewhat of a downturn compared to their histories--especially in Football and Baseball. The few bright spots have come in Basketball (women's and men's), Women's Golf, and Men's/Women's Tennis...as well as a few other lesser known sports (last I checked, our hockey team wasn't looking too bad either).

Some folks have more passion about it than you do--and that's OK. You're not a bad fan for having "fun". By the same token, these people who are being more realistic and passionate aren't lesser fans than you because they're "negative" in your eyes.

If you're that kind of fan, root for the Dolphins.

No thanks. I've liked San Fran since I was a kid. No way I root for the Dolphins.

 

[OldManCane]

Why do you feel the need to counsel posters on a message board? First, the likelihood of it influencing your intended audience - in the way you purportedly intend - is nonexistent. Second, do you actually care about these posters' feelings? If so, then aren't you ignoring your own advice?

And the contention that we should not care about CFB because people from the "real world," which you define as NY, LA, and two foreign cities is not only bizarre, but factually wrong. First, USC and UM are from cities that fall within your description of the real world, and each has dominated CFB for long stretches. Nor would anyone rightly describe Palo Alto as "hokie [and] backwater," and Stanford has been a top team over the past several years as well. Second, there are huge numbers of fans from big cities that follow CFB religiously.

I stated what I believe to be fact, how it affects any of you is up to you. In other words, I tell it like I see it.

To your other question, I rattled off the first four big cities I could think of. USC? HAAHAHAHA buddy.... Los Angeles doesn't give one **** about USC just like Miami doesn't give one **** about the canes. No offense. If the city of Miami gave a ****, we would have 10x more money than Alabama. But they don't, and we don't.

Stanford? Their own students don't even give a **** about that team.

College football has a small and religious following outside the south, but it's far, far from the mainstream. New York, LA, these are NFL towns. So is Miami.

The only place where college football has a big following is the old slave states down south. It is what it is.

And where do South Bend, Ann Arbor, Columbus, fall within you definition of old slave states down south?

Derp derp derp....

Are you suggesting that South Bend, Ann Arbor, and Columbus are not "religiously" passionate about their teams?

Yep. I've been to South Bend, seen Notre Dame play. Been to Columbus, seen Ohio State. Outside of Columbus, Ohio has the Bengals and the Browns. Notre Dame.... well my chart already showed you chicago don't really give a **** like they do about the Bears.

Here's a google heat map for the search term "college football." As you can clearly see, it's MUCH more popular in the old south than anywhere else.

 

[BucCANEers]

Why do you feel the need to counsel posters on a message board? First, the likelihood of it influencing your intended audience - in the way you purportedly intend - is nonexistent. Second, do you actually care about these posters' feelings? If so, then aren't you ignoring your own advice?

And the contention that we should not care about CFB because people from the "real world," which you define as NY, LA, and two foreign cities is not only bizarre, but factually wrong. First, USC and UM are from cities that fall within your description of the real world, and each has dominated CFB for long stretches. Nor would anyone rightly describe Palo Alto as "hokie [and] backwater," and Stanford has been a top team over the past several years as well. Second, there are huge numbers of fans from big cities that follow CFB religiously.

I stated what I believe to be fact, how it affects any of you is up to you. In other words, I tell it like I see it.

To your other question, I rattled off the first four big cities I could think of. USC? HAAHAHAHA buddy.... Los Angeles doesn't give one **** about USC just like Miami doesn't give one **** about the canes. No offense. If the city of Miami gave a ****, we would have 10x more money than Alabama. But they don't, and we don't.

Stanford? Their own students don't even give a **** about that team.

College football has a small and religious following outside the south, but it's far, far from the mainstream. New York, LA, these are NFL towns. So is Miami.

The only place where college football has a big following is the old slave states down south. It is what it is.

Lol at putting "the old slave states down south"
You know technically the north is also the old slave states lol

 

[Classic]

I live in Los Angeles, one of your magic cities.

They really enjoy their college football out here.

Not to mention that you're the guy discounting college football on a college football forum. That's gotta be more curious than actually enjoying college football, don't you think?

 

[drifters1234]

I stated what I believe to be fact, how it affects any of you is up to you. In other words, I tell it like I see it.

To your other question, I rattled off the first four big cities I could think of. USC? HAAHAHAHA buddy.... Los Angeles doesn't give one **** about USC just like Miami doesn't give one **** about the canes. No offense. If the city of Miami gave a ****, we would have 10x more money than Alabama. But they don't, and we don't.

Stanford? Their own students don't even give a **** about that team.

College football has a small and religious following outside the south, but it's far, far from the mainstream. New York, LA, these are NFL towns. So is Miami.

The only place where college football has a big following is the old slave states down south. It is what it is.

And where do South Bend, Ann Arbor, Columbus, fall within you definition of old slave states down south?

Derp derp derp....

Are you suggesting that South Bend, Ann Arbor, and Columbus are not "religiously" passionate about their teams?

Yep. I've been to South Bend, seen Notre Dame play. Been to Columbus, seen Ohio State. Outside of Columbus, Ohio has the Bengals and the Browns. Notre Dame.... well my chart already showed you chicago don't really give a **** like they do about the Bears.

Here's a google heat map for the search term "college football." As you can clearly see, it's MUCH more popular in the old south than anywhere else.

So you're "google heat map" has definitively shown that there is not a "big following" and religiously passionate fans of OSU, ND, Mich, PSU, among others. Wow.

And it appears you've completely abandoned your original post. If there are only passionate fans in the deep south, then why the need to even bring up your supposed empathy for all the posters on here that are apparently too passionate about UM football, as they shouldn't exist, given the "CFB heat map."

 

[BWCD]

There's no questioning that College Football is more of a Southern institution than a Northern one.

Really, at the crux of this--if you put all of your arguments together, you're dogging the South for enjoying College Football more than the Pros, and that's just dumb. There's always been more Collegiate competition than Pro Franchises throughout the South than in the North. That's honestly the biggest reason for their preference towards College Football. It's more prevalent in the South, and that's what folks tend to follow (and thus, be more passionate about).

Not a thing wrong with it, though. I understand the frustration to those who are negative at all costs, dogging our staff for even the smallest of things, but to basically bytch about the South because that's where the concentration of searches for "college football" come from, and because there are a smaller percentage of College Football fans in major US cities versus smaller markets...that's just a sh1tty elitist argument.

There are other places on earth than the major cities you've rattled off about. Just because it happens more frequently in Birmingham, AL doesn't make it any less important than if it happened in NYC.

So which major city/ivory tower are you representing anyway? Dogging out the more "hokie"/Southern/rural parts of the country?

 

[OldManCane]

There's no questioning that College Football is more of a Southern institution than a Northern one.

Really, at the crux of this--if you put all of your arguments together, you're dogging the South for enjoying College Football more than the Pros, and that's just dumb. There's always been more Collegiate competition than Pro Franchises throughout the South than in the North. That's honestly the biggest reason for their preference towards College Football. It's more prevalent in the South, and that's what folks tend to follow (and thus, be more passionate about).

Not a thing wrong with it, though. I understand the frustration to those who are negative at all costs, dogging our staff for even the smallest of things, but to basically bytch about the South because that's where the concentration of searches for "college football" come from, and because there are a smaller percentage of College Football fans in major US cities versus smaller markets...that's just a sh1tty elitist argument.

There are other places on earth than the major cities you've rattled off about. Just because it happens more frequently in Birmingham, AL doesn't make it any less important than if it happened in NYC.

So which major city/ivory tower are you representing anyway? Dogging out the more "hokie"/Southern/rural parts of the country?

Miami.

And given what you've written above and in your previous post, I don't think you're part of what I see as the problem.

The difference between the north and the south when it comes to college football is that in the Big 10 states, they tend to look at their college football more traditionally. It's about representing the alma mater.

In the south, too many people look at college football teams like they're professional football teams. I get that probably a big part of the reason for that is a lot of those places have a ton of football fans but no pro teams to root for.

They really ought to put an NFL team in Birmingham, but that's besides the point a little bit.

The SEC has a much bigger problem with this mentality than Miami does. But this is a Miami forum and I'm a Miami guy and a Miami Hurricanes fan and the father of several alumni, so this is where I'm going to discuss it.

A lot of these fans who rip on the kids and the program never even attended the U and probably don't go to many games or give back in any way. They just treat it like a pro team and treat the kids like they owe them something.

Here's a newsflash to all those people: unless these kids are getting paid for what they do, they don't owe you ****.

 

[caneaddict]

some people like to be hopeful and dont mind getting let down, others are more guarded and shoot everything down and on the back end when there's success say I knew this would happen if they did xyz..and others just have an agenda and are acting how they believe other people acted when other coaches/administrators were in place and dont care about the facts they just are ****ing in cheerios as some sort of retribution...

On this board option C is rampant

 

[ADELPHI]

I think the negative folks on here with their incessant bashing are the ones that Louis CK is referring to in this bit:

[video=youtube;KpUNA2nutbk]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KpUNA2nutbk[/video]

 

[Cane Dynasty]

[video=youtube;ScRCuFpTNXg]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ScRCuFpTNXg[/video]

 

[BWCD]

Miami.

And given what you've written above and in your previous post, I don't think you're part of what I see as the problem.

I'm not. I'll be at 3-4 games this year, all road games, and I'm also a Hurricane Club member. I almost left Virginia to come to college at UM, but couldn't get the $$$ together to make it happen, unfortunately.

The difference between the north and the south when it comes to college football is that in the Big 10 states, they tend to look at their college football more traditionally. It's about representing the alma mater.

Maybe at large, but there are still some pretty crazy/wild Northern school fans. Also, what you're forgetting, is that there are Southerners who root for those Northern schools, and they bring that type of passion to those fan bases. I've met several ND/tOSU*/PSU/Michigan fans in the South.

In the south, too many people look at college football teams like they're professional football teams. I get that probably a big part of the reason for that is a lot of those places have a ton of football fans but no pro teams to root for.

Now you're getting it. People tend to gravitate towards what's easily accessible to them as sports fans...tons of folks from VA like the Redskins--mainly because they can make it to a game in person with minimal effort. However, there are some who will root for a Pro team, but will go to every single VT/UVA/Tennessee game they can just because it's close enough in proximity.

They really ought to put an NFL team in Birmingham, but that's besides the point a little bit.

It is. I doubt they'd ever get as much of a following as Bama/Auburn do down there, though. That's simply the culture down there and it's not likely to change.

The SEC has a much bigger problem with this mentality than Miami does. But this is a Miami forum and I'm a Miami guy and a Miami Hurricanes fan and the father of several alumni, so this is where I'm going to discuss it.

I don't think it's really a point worth discussing, anywhere. There's absolutely nothing wrong with being passionate about a College football program if you're a lifelong fan/donor, and if that's what you connect with...to each their own.

A lot of these fans who rip on the kids and the program never even attended the U and probably don't go to many games or give back in any way. They just treat it like a pro team and treat the kids like they owe them something.

Here's a newsflash to all those people: unless these kids are getting paid for what they do, they don't owe you ****.

Agreed on all of that. That's simply not the stance you were trying to take earlier in this thread, though.

 

[cane305]

if I say that our defense has been bad, i'm not being negative. I am pointing out the facts.

 

[theibisrules]

take ur negativity speech and cram it up ur a$$e$.....THIS IS NOT THE U I KNOW AND LOVE. I AM GIVING AG ANOTHER 2 SEASONS BEFORE I WALK OFF. I Will use my fandom to support the next coach. I DONT GIVE A ***** IF YOU SUPPORT THAT OR NOT, IT IS TOTALLY THE WAY I FEEL ABOUT ALL THIS BULL$HIT. Neg me I don't give a *****, ain't like i'm gonna lose money or anything by a neg vote. So kiss my motha phukkin a$$.

 

[theibisrules]

motha phukkin computer geeks

 

[drifters1234]

Some of you guys are so negative, I legitimately feel bad for you. I don't know how you go through life that way.

Relax. You live in a beautiful city. Go to the beach. Watch the World Cup. Have a cerveza and a rack of ribs. Give it a rest until football season starts.

I like college football as much as the next guy, but put it in to perspective. Outside a couple states in the south, nobody in the country or around the world gives a single **** about our unpaid 18-22 year old semi-pro football league.

You ever wonder why the best team in our sport is in a hokie, backwater town like Tuscaloosa Alabama and not a major city? That's why. Because nobody in the real world, in places like London, Paris, New York, Los Angeles, gives a single flying **** about college kids playing football.

So take it for what it is. A nice hobby or side-interest. Don't get so ******* invested and emotional to where it drags you down. Some of you get so worked up and stressed about the minutia surrounding our little school team it's difficult to understand.

How do you reconcile your claim that "the best team in our sport is in a hokie, backwater town like Tuscaloosa Alabama and not a major city [because] nobody in the real world [ie big cities] gives a single flying **** about college kids playing football" with the fact that teams from major cities have also dominated CFB, despite supposedly no one in those cities caring about the team's success?

The success of UM in the 80s, early 90s, and early 2000s followed by USC's run obliterate your mindless theory that a team cannot be the best unless they are from a backwater town.

 

[theibisrules]

and another thing...if i were in a foxhole, I wouldn't want any of you in there watching my back. Y'all have to be some of the pansiest sissies I have ever been around in any capacity.