NCAA rejects Miami motion

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Could take weeks or months?....

 

[RiDLer80]

Could take weeks or months?....

LAFF

How absurd is this entire process. I can't complain about it enough. Seriously.

 

[crossover22[]_[]]

Could take weeks or months?....

LAFF

How absurd is this entire process. I can't complain about it enough. Seriously.

Agreed. its gone on way to long. this has to end.

 

[Ethnicsands]

This is BS. The NCAA's own rules require reciprocal cooperation in investigations. And not one human being on the planet was saying the benefit of cooperation would be when we get to COI. No one even argued that when this began.

And if DS had known that the NCAA would do just a fraction of what it has done in terms of unethical behavior and outright biased actions and perhaps illegality, there is no chance she'd have cooperated as she did. She'd be crazy to have. That's not how you behave in the face of someone who's clearly trying to ***** you. The cooperation was meant to make the phase that's over go better. It didn't. As the LOIC charge illustrates, IMO. If anything, it caused them to dig in for the kill.

Cooperation is never reciprocated during the investigation phase.

If the cooperative approach bears fruit, any at all, it will be during the penalty phase, where it will be offered by UM as what amounts to an affirmative defense. That is not to say your conclusion is wrong. You may well be proven correct. But, nobody can conclude yet that cooperation was a blunder because the issue has not yet arisen.

IMO, if the NCAA is going to accept the self-imposed penalties and let UM go with light additional sanctions, the "cooperation" justification will be the hook to mollify the masses who want UM's head on a platter.

In hindsight, we should have told the NCAA to go **** itself instead of cooperating, no?

That's the funny thing about the NCAAs action in this case. They have screwed themselves to ever receive cooperation again by they way they have treated Miami. Well, unless of course you're a SEC team, they seem to have a endless stack of get out of jail free cards in their back pocket. It has been baffling to watch some of the NCAAs actions as of late.


:stormwarning:

I have been saying this for months if not over a year. And I got attacked by a lot of folks who thought DS had played this all perfectly. I said then, and still believe, DS herself would play it differently if she could go back and do it over. Cooperation here was not reciprocated.

 

[Ethnicsands]

In hindsight, we should have told the NCAA to go **** itself instead of cooperating, no?

That's the funny thing about the NCAAs action in this case. They have screwed themselves to ever receive cooperation again by they way they have treated Miami. Well, unless of course you're a SEC team, they seem to have a endless stack of get out of jail free cards in their back pocket. It has been baffling to watch some of the NCAAs actions as of late.


:stormwarning:

I have been saying this for months if not over a year. And I got attacked by a lot of folks who thought DS had played this all perfectly. I said then, and still believe, DS herself would play it differently if she could go back and do it over. Cooperation here was not reciprocated.

I've called you out for this BS every time, but still you come back with it.

Let's say we don't cooperate. We're still looking at a 2+ year investigation in which the NCAA is going to try to **** us however they can. We're still looking at them getting dirt on us from Marve and other unhappy customers who were granted immunity. Etc, etc. And we'd only just now be getting to the judgement stage, with our punishment (and there would still be punishment, don't kid yourself) still to come.

As is, our cooperation and self-imposed penalties bought us a continuous stream of good press, to the point that the whole nation now views us as the good guys and the NCAA as the bad guys. Our cooperation is what forced the NCAAs hand to get them to investigate MEP and to drop Wright's testimony. We have the upper hand--which we wouldn't have if we hadn't cooperated. And we've gotten our punishment behind us, and will likely get off with nothing more.

Real talk: your consistent line of porsts indicates you're intellect is sufficient to play in the NFL. I don't know if you're an attorney, but if you are, you should stick to chasing amberlamps. Because the roll over and expose your underside strategy not only didn't work here, it rarely works, anywhere. Heck, Donna Shalala herself would tell you she regrets having tried to be so compliant. And you're just making isht up in saying not 'cooperating' would have not impacted anything. The more you go out of your way to give them access and information and leads and people, the more they do. And that leads to more things, and follow up requests, and follow up requests to that. It's quite clear that this investigation took longer than pretty much any, and IMO it's not a coincidence.

And our cooperating didn't bring us a continuous stream of good press. Nor did our self-imposition, though that's not a topic I'm critical of on the U's part. Most of the press I saw referenced the potential for the 'death penalty' and just rehashed the usual allegations. There was a bit of a positive spin early on on the cooperation, but nothing that makes it look smart in retrospect. The real positive press started after the NCAA admitted it had crossed a bunch of lines. That wasn't a result of our cooperation at all, just a response to an organization that had lost control of itself (the NCAA, not the U). And the NCAA's behavior, not our cooperation, is also what gives us the upper hand today. Our cooperation didn't lead to the firings of so many people over there. You're just wrong on that.

 

[NoahZach]

This is BS. The NCAA's own rules require reciprocal cooperation in investigations. And not one human being on the planet was saying the benefit of cooperation would be when we get to COI. No one even argued that when this began.

And if DS had known that the NCAA would do just a fraction of what it has done in terms of unethical behavior and outright biased actions and perhaps illegality, there is no chance she'd have cooperated as she did. She'd be crazy to have. That's not how you behave in the face of someone who's clearly trying to ***** you. The cooperation was meant to make the phase that's over go better. It didn't. As the LOIC charge illustrates, IMO. If anything, it caused them to dig in for the kill.

Cooperation is never reciprocated during the investigation phase.

If the cooperative approach bears fruit, any at all, it will be during the penalty phase, where it will be offered by UM as what amounts to an affirmative defense. That is not to say your conclusion is wrong. You may well be proven correct. But, nobody can conclude yet that cooperation was a blunder because the issue has not yet arisen.

IMO, if the NCAA is going to accept the self-imposed penalties and let UM go with light additional sanctions, the "cooperation" justification will be the hook to mollify the masses who want UM's head on a platter.

In hindsight, we should have told the NCAA to go **** itself instead of cooperating, no?

That's the funny thing about the NCAAs action in this case. They have screwed themselves to ever receive cooperation again by they way they have treated Miami. Well, unless of course you're a SEC team, they seem to have a endless stack of get out of jail free cards in their back pocket. It has been baffling to watch some of the NCAAs actions as of late.


:stormwarning:

I have been saying this for months if not over a year. And I got attacked by a lot of folks who thought DS had played this all perfectly. I said then, and still believe, DS herself would play it differently if she could go back and do it over. Cooperation here was not reciprocated.

There's definitely truth there--especially the part about UM not cooperating and handling its cooperation differently if it knew the NCAA was going to be as sleezy as it turned out to be in this investigation. I also don't doubt that the inclination to cooperate has a lot to do with the investigation phase in the sense of trying to get things wrapped up as expeditiously as possible, etc. There may even be some thought that cooperation might garner some more favorable treatment with the charges, but I'd be less comfortable with that belief.

I think the bulk of the cooperation angle has to do with favorable consideration at the COI stage and primarily in the avoidance of harsher sanctions that appear to hit where a lack of cooperation is involved. I doubt that anyone would expect that stellar cooperation would make the enforcement folks simply decide not to charge something that is supported by the evidence. I'm not a criminal defense lawyer, but it seems to me that people run to the cops to confess wrongdoing knowing they are going to be charged with the crimes they confess, but anticipating that their cooperation, testimony, etc., will result in favorable recommendations and a lesser sentence. I assume that's what went on/is going on here. Cooperation primarily appears to be a mitigating factor considered at the time of determining the sanctions. Having UM be able to say to the COI that it cooperated and having enforcement make that acknowledgement can't hurt. There's an institutional remorse element to all of this that needs to be apparent, I think.

I don't see the cooperation causing the NCAA to decide to go for the kill. I think the NCAA went for the kill in spite of the cooperation, but not because it somehow was emboldened by it. The NCAA had an agenda.

At bottom, I just don't think cooperation is a bad move here, depending upon what it is that UM did to cooperate. To that end, can anyone say exactly what UM's cooperation consisted of with any specificity?

 

[CaneInHeelCountry]

In hindsight, we should have told the NCAA to go **** itself instead of cooperating, no?

That's the funny thing about the NCAAs action in this case. They have screwed themselves to ever receive cooperation again by they way they have treated Miami. Well, unless of course you're a SEC team, they seem to have a endless stack of get out of jail free cards in their back pocket. It has been baffling to watch some of the NCAAs actions as of late.


:stormwarning:

I have been saying this for months if not over a year. And I got attacked by a lot of folks who thought DS had played this all perfectly. I said then, and still believe, DS herself would play it differently if she could go back and do it over. Cooperation here was not reciprocated.

I've called you out for this BS every time, but still you come back with it.

Let's say we don't cooperate. We're still looking at a 2+ year investigation in which the NCAA is going to try to **** us however they can. We're still looking at them getting dirt on us from Marve and other unhappy customers who were granted immunity. Etc, etc. And we'd only just now be getting to the judgement stage, with our punishment (and there would still be punishment, don't kid yourself) still to come.

As is, our cooperation and self-imposed penalties bought us a continuous stream of good press, to the point that the whole nation now views us as the good guys and the NCAA as the bad guys. Our cooperation is what forced the NCAAs hand to get them to investigate MEP and to drop Wright's testimony. We have the upper hand--which we wouldn't have if we hadn't cooperated. And we've gotten our punishment behind us, and will likely get off with nothing more.

Real talk: your consistent line of porsts indicates you're intellect is sufficient to play in the NFL. I don't know if you're an attorney, but if you are, you should stick to chasing amberlamps. Because the roll over and expose your underside strategy not only didn't work here, it rarely works, anywhere. Heck, Donna Shalala herself would tell you she regrets having tried to be so compliant. And you're just making isht up in saying not 'cooperating' would have not impacted anything. The more you go out of your way to give them access and information and leads and people, the more they do. And that leads to more things, and follow up requests, and follow up requests to that. It's quite clear that this investigation took longer than pretty much any, and IMO it's not a coincidence.

And our cooperating didn't bring us a continuous stream of good press. Nor did our self-imposition, though that's not a topic I'm critical of on the U's part. Most of the press I saw referenced the potential for the 'death penalty' and just rehashed the usual allegations. There was a bit of a positive spin early on on the cooperation, but nothing that makes it look smart in retrospect. The real positive press started after the NCAA admitted it had crossed a bunch of lines. That wasn't a result of our cooperation at all, just a response to an organization that had lost control of itself (the NCAA, not the U). And the NCAA's behavior, not our cooperation, is also what gives us the upper hand today. Our cooperation didn't lead to the firings of so many people over there. You're just wrong on that.

Real talk: Your pompous act gets real old, especially given that you've really got no effing clue of what you speak.

Again, our cooperation is precisely what has allowed Donna and UM to play the slighted victim at this point; she's remarked on in every public statement she's made. Obviously we couldn't play that angle up before the NCAA effed up their case and overstepped their bounds, and obviously the press has only been on our side since it's been revealed that the NCAA effed up.

However, since that revelation, the press has continually remarked on our unprecedented cooperation and self-imposed penalties, and how those factors, in conjunction with the NCAA's *****-ups, should lead to dropping the case or receiving no more penalties. Without our cooperation, their ****ups garner us no sympathy.

Without our handing over documents, putting pressure on players and coaches to tell the truth, etc, there is no reason for us to self-impose. The cooperation led to, and includes, the self-imposition of penalties for (some) things that were revealed via our cooperation.

 

[Ethnicsands]

That's the funny thing about the NCAAs action in this case. They have screwed themselves to ever receive cooperation again by they way they have treated Miami. Well, unless of course you're a SEC team, they seem to have a endless stack of get out of jail free cards in their back pocket. It has been baffling to watch some of the NCAAs actions as of late.


:stormwarning:

I have been saying this for months if not over a year. And I got attacked by a lot of folks who thought DS had played this all perfectly. I said then, and still believe, DS herself would play it differently if she could go back and do it over. Cooperation here was not reciprocated.

I've called you out for this BS every time, but still you come back with it.

Let's say we don't cooperate. We're still looking at a 2+ year investigation in which the NCAA is going to try to **** us however they can. We're still looking at them getting dirt on us from Marve and other unhappy customers who were granted immunity. Etc, etc. And we'd only just now be getting to the judgement stage, with our punishment (and there would still be punishment, don't kid yourself) still to come.

As is, our cooperation and self-imposed penalties bought us a continuous stream of good press, to the point that the whole nation now views us as the good guys and the NCAA as the bad guys. Our cooperation is what forced the NCAAs hand to get them to investigate MEP and to drop Wright's testimony. We have the upper hand--which we wouldn't have if we hadn't cooperated. And we've gotten our punishment behind us, and will likely get off with nothing more.

Real talk: your consistent line of porsts indicates you're intellect is sufficient to play in the NFL. I don't know if you're an attorney, but if you are, you should stick to chasing amberlamps. Because the roll over and expose your underside strategy not only didn't work here, it rarely works, anywhere. Heck, Donna Shalala herself would tell you she regrets having tried to be so compliant. And you're just making isht up in saying not 'cooperating' would have not impacted anything. The more you go out of your way to give them access and information and leads and people, the more they do. And that leads to more things, and follow up requests, and follow up requests to that. It's quite clear that this investigation took longer than pretty much any, and IMO it's not a coincidence.

And our cooperating didn't bring us a continuous stream of good press. Nor did our self-imposition, though that's not a topic I'm critical of on the U's part. Most of the press I saw referenced the potential for the 'death penalty' and just rehashed the usual allegations. There was a bit of a positive spin early on on the cooperation, but nothing that makes it look smart in retrospect. The real positive press started after the NCAA admitted it had crossed a bunch of lines. That wasn't a result of our cooperation at all, just a response to an organization that had lost control of itself (the NCAA, not the U). And the NCAA's behavior, not our cooperation, is also what gives us the upper hand today. Our cooperation didn't lead to the firings of so many people over there. You're just wrong on that.

Real talk: Your pompous act gets real old, especially given that you've really got no effing clue of what you speak.

Again, our cooperation is precisely what has allowed Donna and UM to play the slighted victim at this point; she's remarked on in every public statement she's made. Obviously we couldn't play that angle up before the NCAA effed up their case and overstepped their bounds, and obviously the press has only been on our side since it's been revealed that the NCAA effed up.

However, since that revelation, the press has continually remarked on our unprecedented cooperation and self-imposed penalties, and how those factors, in conjunction with the NCAA's *****-ups, should lead to dropping the case or receiving no more penalties. Without our cooperation, their ****ups garner us no sympathy.

Without our handing over documents, putting pressure on players and coaches to tell the truth, etc, there is no reason for us to self-impose. The cooperation led to, and includes, the self-imposition of penalties for (some) things that were revealed via our cooperation.

So the success of her cooperation strategy is that it randomly intersected with the NCAA getting caught breaking its own rules? That's your story. Brilliant. I'm sure that's exactly what she had in mind.

 

[Ethnicsands]

This is BS. The NCAA's own rules require reciprocal cooperation in investigations. And not one human being on the planet was saying the benefit of cooperation would be when we get to COI. No one even argued that when this began.

And if DS had known that the NCAA would do just a fraction of what it has done in terms of unethical behavior and outright biased actions and perhaps illegality, there is no chance she'd have cooperated as she did. She'd be crazy to have. That's not how you behave in the face of someone who's clearly trying to ***** you. The cooperation was meant to make the phase that's over go better. It didn't. As the LOIC charge illustrates, IMO. If anything, it caused them to dig in for the kill.

Cooperation is never reciprocated during the investigation phase.

If the cooperative approach bears fruit, any at all, it will be during the penalty phase, where it will be offered by UM as what amounts to an affirmative defense. That is not to say your conclusion is wrong. You may well be proven correct. But, nobody can conclude yet that cooperation was a blunder because the issue has not yet arisen.

IMO, if the NCAA is going to accept the self-imposed penalties and let UM go with light additional sanctions, the "cooperation" justification will be the hook to mollify the masses who want UM's head on a platter.

That's the funny thing about the NCAAs action in this case. They have screwed themselves to ever receive cooperation again by they way they have treated Miami. Well, unless of course you're a SEC team, they seem to have a endless stack of get out of jail free cards in their back pocket. It has been baffling to watch some of the NCAAs actions as of late.


:stormwarning:

I have been saying this for months if not over a year. And I got attacked by a lot of folks who thought DS had played this all perfectly. I said then, and still believe, DS herself would play it differently if she could go back and do it over. Cooperation here was not reciprocated.

There's definitely truth there--especially the part about UM not cooperating and handling its cooperation differently if it knew the NCAA was going to be as sleezy as it turned out to be in this investigation. I also don't doubt that the inclination to cooperate has a lot to do with the investigation phase in the sense of trying to get things wrapped up as expeditiously as possible, etc. There may even be some thought that cooperation might garner some more favorable treatment with the charges, but I'd be less comfortable with that belief.

I think the bulk of the cooperation angle has to do with favorable consideration at the COI stage and primarily in the avoidance of harsher sanctions that appear to hit where a lack of cooperation is involved. I doubt that anyone would expect that stellar cooperation would make the enforcement folks simply decide not to charge something that is supported by the evidence. I'm not a criminal defense lawyer, but it seems to me that people run to the cops to confess wrongdoing knowing they are going to be charged with the crimes they confess, but anticipating that their cooperation, testimony, etc., will result in favorable recommendations and a lesser sentence. I assume that's what went on/is going on here. Cooperation primarily appears to be a mitigating factor considered at the time of determining the sanctions. Having UM be able to say to the COI that it cooperated and having enforcement make that acknowledgement can't hurt. There's an institutional remorse element to all of this that needs to be apparent, I think.

I don't see the cooperation causing the NCAA to decide to go for the kill. I think the NCAA went for the kill in spite of the cooperation, but not because it somehow was emboldened by it. The NCAA had an agenda.

At bottom, I just don't think cooperation is a bad move here, depending upon what it is that UM did to cooperate. To that end, can anyone say exactly what UM's cooperation consisted of with any specificity?

This isn't the right analogy, IMO. I doubt a criminal defense lawyer would help the prosecution build its case against his client. He might say a plea of guilty is worth considering, but the only times I'm aware of (I'm not a criminal defense lawyer, mind you) that a suspect helps the prosecution build a case is when they're part of a conspiracy and stand to get a much better deal than their peers if they help the prosecution gather evidence. And the analogy to a suspect just throwing themselves at the feet of a cop isn't sensible here, either, because the U has counsel and isn't an unrepresented perp in the throes of fear and emotion.

Secondly, there is a false dichotomy here between 'super cooperation', on the one hand, and 'interference' on the other. The alternative to DS going hard towards cooperation (let's assume that for a moment, since she's on record saying we went further than anyone had done before in assisting the investigation) isn't USC. It's just middle of the road. Don't go out of your way to assist or obstruct. Be compliant, but don't do the prosecution's job for them. I'm definitely not suggesting USC as the model to follow -- they got tagged with obstruction. That's a different matter altogether.

It's speculation as to how much cooperation UM provided, but it's not speculation that DS herself claims to have set the standard on that front. More access to players, personnel, records, and more UM pressure on past personnel to confess, all can give investigators more to look at, which can lead not only to more evidence, but also a longer investigation. It's hard to say exactly why this investigation took longer than an entire congressional term, but it's not unreasonable to think that some of it was because of our compliant posture. That posture also lowered the political and institutional costs on the investigators and NCAA to just keep going.

Again, I can't imagine that DS would play the hand the same way if she could do it over again. It's fortunate that the NCAA tripped itself up, but that couldn't have been the strategy she was banking on, since it was unknowable at the outset.

 

[BALDYCHUTES]

Yes, a condition of being an NCAA member institution is cooperation.

But cooperating during the investigation has no immediate benefit. None. Your statement that cooperation was meant to make the investigation "go better" is misguided. Indeed, because only a fool would excessively cooperate with a prosecutor without expecting something in return, it is PAINFULLY OBVIOUS that UM expects their strategy will pay off during the penalty phase. Again, Enforcement has no benefits to give, so obviously, UM's cooperation is intended for the penalty phase before the COI.

It is beyond debate that UM intended their cooperation would be useful during the penalty phase. See Manny's interview with Infante from the Herald awhile back. That strategy was common knowledge, is an accepted part of the process and remains front and center of UM's approach, unless you believe people as sophisticated as Donna and the BOT are just winging this without counsel from the top NCAA experts on the planet.

Now, was the strategy correct? Too soon to tell, obviously. But, if UM gets off with a wrist slap in addition to the serious sanctions they've already imposed, I'd say Donna got it spot on.

Indeed, given the unprecedentedly salacious nature of the Yahoo piece and subsequent media lynching, absent UM's extensive cooperation, what hook would the NCAA have to let UM off with minimal further penalties and still save face? Watch, if the NCAA COI lets UM off "easy," their justification will not be a scathing self-analysis of their flawed investigation, but UM's excessive cooperation.

This is BS. The NCAA's own rules require reciprocal cooperation in investigations. And not one human being on the planet was saying the benefit of cooperation would be when we get to COI. No one even argued that when this began.

And if DS had known that the NCAA would do just a fraction of what it has done in terms of unethical behavior and outright biased actions and perhaps illegality, there is no chance she'd have cooperated as she did. She'd be crazy to have. That's not how you behave in the face of someone who's clearly trying to ***** you. The cooperation was meant to make the phase that's over go better. It didn't. As the LOIC charge illustrates, IMO. If anything, it caused them to dig in for the kill.

Cooperation is never reciprocated during the investigation phase.

If the cooperative approach bears fruit, any at all, it will be during the penalty phase, where it will be offered by UM as what amounts to an affirmative defense. That is not to say your conclusion is wrong. You may well be proven correct. But, nobody can conclude yet that cooperation was a blunder because the issue has not yet arisen.

IMO, if the NCAA is going to accept the self-imposed penalties and let UM go with light additional sanctions, the "cooperation" justification will be the hook to mollify the masses who want UM's head on a platter.

In hindsight, we should have told the NCAA to go **** itself instead of cooperating, no?

That's the funny thing about the NCAAs action in this case. They have screwed themselves to ever receive cooperation again by they way they have treated Miami. Well, unless of course you're a SEC team, they seem to have a endless stack of get out of jail free cards in their back pocket. It has been baffling to watch some of the NCAAs actions as of late.


:stormwarning:

I have been saying this for months if not over a year. And I got attacked by a lot of folks who thought DS had played this all perfectly. I said then, and still believe, DS herself would play it differently if she could go back and do it over. Cooperation here was not reciprocated.

 

[stat1124]

Tim Reynolds ‏@ByTimReynolds 9m

Miami's NCAA hearing in Indianapolis has been moved up one day to June 13. Committee on Infractions hoping to wrap it up in three days.

 

[Dwinstitles]

I hope Donna goes for the jugular and exposes the NCAA and the corruptness of the NCAA/SEC protection. FK them

 

[CaneInHeelCountry]

I have been saying this for months if not over a year. And I got attacked by a lot of folks who thought DS had played this all perfectly. I said then, and still believe, DS herself would play it differently if she could go back and do it over. Cooperation here was not reciprocated.

I've called you out for this BS every time, but still you come back with it.

Let's say we don't cooperate. We're still looking at a 2+ year investigation in which the NCAA is going to try to **** us however they can. We're still looking at them getting dirt on us from Marve and other unhappy customers who were granted immunity. Etc, etc. And we'd only just now be getting to the judgement stage, with our punishment (and there would still be punishment, don't kid yourself) still to come.

As is, our cooperation and self-imposed penalties bought us a continuous stream of good press, to the point that the whole nation now views us as the good guys and the NCAA as the bad guys. Our cooperation is what forced the NCAAs hand to get them to investigate MEP and to drop Wright's testimony. We have the upper hand--which we wouldn't have if we hadn't cooperated. And we've gotten our punishment behind us, and will likely get off with nothing more.

Real talk: your consistent line of porsts indicates you're intellect is sufficient to play in the NFL. I don't know if you're an attorney, but if you are, you should stick to chasing amberlamps. Because the roll over and expose your underside strategy not only didn't work here, it rarely works, anywhere. Heck, Donna Shalala herself would tell you she regrets having tried to be so compliant. And you're just making isht up in saying not 'cooperating' would have not impacted anything. The more you go out of your way to give them access and information and leads and people, the more they do. And that leads to more things, and follow up requests, and follow up requests to that. It's quite clear that this investigation took longer than pretty much any, and IMO it's not a coincidence.

And our cooperating didn't bring us a continuous stream of good press. Nor did our self-imposition, though that's not a topic I'm critical of on the U's part. Most of the press I saw referenced the potential for the 'death penalty' and just rehashed the usual allegations. There was a bit of a positive spin early on on the cooperation, but nothing that makes it look smart in retrospect. The real positive press started after the NCAA admitted it had crossed a bunch of lines. That wasn't a result of our cooperation at all, just a response to an organization that had lost control of itself (the NCAA, not the U). And the NCAA's behavior, not our cooperation, is also what gives us the upper hand today. Our cooperation didn't lead to the firings of so many people over there. You're just wrong on that.

Real talk: Your pompous act gets real old, especially given that you've really got no effing clue of what you speak.

Again, our cooperation is precisely what has allowed Donna and UM to play the slighted victim at this point; she's remarked on in every public statement she's made. Obviously we couldn't play that angle up before the NCAA effed up their case and overstepped their bounds, and obviously the press has only been on our side since it's been revealed that the NCAA effed up.

However, since that revelation, the press has continually remarked on our unprecedented cooperation and self-imposed penalties, and how those factors, in conjunction with the NCAA's *****-ups, should lead to dropping the case or receiving no more penalties. Without our cooperation, their ****ups garner us no sympathy.

Without our handing over documents, putting pressure on players and coaches to tell the truth, etc, there is no reason for us to self-impose. The cooperation led to, and includes, the self-imposition of penalties for (some) things that were revealed via our cooperation.

So the success of her cooperation strategy is that it randomly intersected with the NCAA getting caught breaking its own rules? That's your story. Brilliant. I'm sure that's exactly what she had in mind.

No. My story is that the way she has played it has worked very much in our favor thus far, in part because of the NCAA's ****ups and the resulting national media attention. Because of those ****ups, the national media has given us a lot of positive coverage, which has put additional and exceptional pressure on the NCAA to give credit for our cooperation.

Without those ****ups, we'd still be able to illustrate that we've cooperated extensively and have owned our mistakes. And we'd still be able to make a case for leniency based on that cooperation. Whether the COI would rule in our favor under those circumstances is anyone's guess, just as it is now under the present circumstances. Either way, though, cooperation provides us with a better chance than non-cooperation...it still provides a card to play, a negotiating point that we otherwise wouldn't have.

 

[GoldenShowertheGators]

Unless you are playing for a MNC self imposing and cooperation has always proven the way to go with the NCAA.

If we get time served then we lost mediocre bowls and an acccg in a very down year. If they still add a year at most, then it is only one year as opposed to three starting next year which would have gone right through the bulk of the talent AG has been putting together.

It's a win-win and I don't understand how people cannot understand that. Bigger picture people, bigger picture.

 

[Andrew]

Since we cooperated the NCAA can justify on punishing us for what we did. If we did not cooperated the NCAA could justify punishing us for what we didn't do. This isn't court and the NCAA doesn't have to prove anything bur that a reasonable person would believe the charges, and the NCAA gets to be the reasonable person. Donna played this smart and our punishment isn't going to be that bad. I think we lose 9 over 3 years (3 a year). If we had not cooperated I would bet we would lose 30 over 3 years (10 a year) plus the two year bowl ban. We quickly got this case in our favor and I don't think it has cost us much the past few years. We weren't going to be good regardless the past 2 seasons and I don't think Golden would have been able to land a lot more big time recruits. I guess we will find out in a little over a month.

 

[RiDLer80]

Tim Reynolds ‏@ByTimReynolds 9m

Miami's NCAA hearing in Indianapolis has been moved up one day to June 13. Committee on Infractions hoping to wrap it up in three days.

That sounds like good news.

 

[DerpaDerp]

bomb is a chronic renegger.

that is all.