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National Championship - ND v OSU*

canesstevealum08 said:
Even with osu really going all in. They’re also the poster child for the beauty contest that is the cfp. They lost that Michigan game at home knowing they’d be still in. So let’s not act like they spent all that money and went unbeaten. It just feels further away cause they got a second chance and took full advantage
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Natty: OSU
Notta: Miami

They won. Money well spent. Rebounded after the Michigan loss, saved Day’s job. We folded after GT and going into the bunker.
 
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pacusmc said:
If we win a title next year idgaf if we lose to fsu.
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You, my friend, are rational. You can see the Big picture and have the proper perspective as to what it's really all about. Buckeye fans, however, are the antithesis of rational thinking. I guaran-****-tee you that there's a sizeable faction of Buckeye fans that still wants Day fired because he didn't beat Michigan. And if you question them, their response is always, "You just don't get it."
 
pacusmc said:
This position head coach is a **** excuse.
Plenty of elite receivers have made it to the league without Hartline.
Plenty of dt’s have made the league and not gone to osu.
The same way bama with Saban acted like every **** commit was a first round draft pick.

Nobody has nfl fairy dust that they sprinkle on and it makes you a draft pick.

I always say never make a decision where money is the only reason you make a decision.

But in my situation it’s sometimes just a little bit more or a bs sign on bonus.

But the question has to arise “well exactly how much more were we really gonna pay”?

The issue is that we really don’t know what was offered to J Smith from UM’s side.

But we also don’t know what kind of pull hartline has with whoever is paying J Smith.

Maybe we are looking at this the wrong way. Maybe osu just has a pitch man with more credibility.
Did Hartline go to osu and say “this guy is literally a game changer. Better than Harrison and Olave right now and it ain’t even close. If we don’t get him we will regret it for years. It will basically hurt sofla recruiting. Whatever we pay it him will pay for itself easily”

Now considering Hartline’s record of coaching first rounders then the admin will believe him and he wasn’t lying.

Now did Beard say the same thing to Christobal and the nil people?
Does Beard have the same pull at UM that Hartline has at osu?
Did Beard even make such a claim? Does beard have the same eye for evaluation as Hartline? Has he seen multiple first rounders first hand and know what they look like as sophomores in high school?
The rumor was that J Smith was the most that osu has ever spent on a recruit.
NIL or not that’s a bold and expensive asz statement considering who’s been through their ranks the past few years both in hs and portal.

Now imagine bringing up a number like that compared to what has been paid to our players.
The boosters would be like “I’m sorry how much money for a dude that hasn’t played one snap”
Ward was a different story because he had 3 years of solid production at multiple stops and even in p4. You see the reason you’re paying.
But Hartline has the trust of their boosters. Does Beard have the same with ours? Were they gonna ok paying more for a freshman wr than a qb who was gonna get drafted?

I’m not saying we didn’t offer more than osu. But I seriously doubt it was “a lot more”.

Look at it from the outside. We had to overspend and overspend by alot to beat them. Anyone not knowing that was crazy.

We had no QB on signing day and they were a perennial 10 win team with playoff appearances and multiple first round receivers. You weren’t just gonna offer a first class upgrade and expect a commitment.
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It’s really simple. He wanted to play for Hartline.
 
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CanefaninBuckeyeland said:
You, my friend, are rational. You can see the Big picture and have the proper perspective as to what it's really all about. Buckeye fans, however, are the antithesis of rational thinking. I guaran-****-tee you that there's a sizeable faction of Buckeye fans that still wants Day fired because he didn't beat Michigan. And if you question them, their response is always, "You just don't get it."
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Its like talking to a certain political party today
 
RVACane said:
It’s really simple. He wanted to play for Hartline.
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I understand that. But we didn’t make that decision very hard for him. Especially not having a qb. Him being an early enrole didn’t help our cause either. He wasn’t gonna wait till the second signing day and miss spring practice reps with Howard.
They managed to be able to pay for both and we didn’t. Hartline is an easy go to excuse. Now if we had Ward committed by esd and also way outbid osu then yeah we did all we could.

But the fact remains, no elite qb signed or on our team by esd was a huge miscalculation when trying to sign Smith. Let’s not just say it was Hartline while ignoring that they had Howard and Sayin committed. We had poff and Williams. This was a slam dunk by osu who had more boxes checked than we did.
 
pacusmc said:
I understand that. But we didn’t make that decision very hard for him. Especially not having a qb. Him being an early enrole didn’t help our cause either. He wasn’t gonna wait till the second signing day and miss spring practice reps with Howard.
They managed to be able to pay for both and we didn’t. Hartline is an easy go to excuse. Now if we had Ward committed by esd and also way outbid osu then yeah we did all we could.

But the fact remains, no elite qb signed or on our team by esd was a huge miscalculation when trying to sign Smith. Let’s not just say it was Hartline while ignoring that they had Howard and Sayin committed. We had poff and Williams. This was a slam dunk by osu who had more boxes checked than we did.
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You’re all over the place with this. I didn’t say they didn’t pay him. Not having a qb didn’t help us but he wanted to play for Hartline and they paid him what they needed to. It’s not complicated.
 
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If OSU lost that would have been the end of Ryan day. They spent more on players, and coaches than probably anyone in history. I mean the OC was a head coach, and decided to be an OC.

We need to get to that level...spend on all levels.
 
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If Mario isn’t concerned about our front 7 against ND’s running game then it’s going to be a long season.
 
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