Myth Busters: Lack of QB Play

[Rellyrell]

2. I hope we recruit better HS QBs like Nickl and hopefully Coleman - not the projects like Judd (nothing against him - he needs 2 more years of real work but he has the physical tools). People forget Emory did well in the Elite 11 - but he was our second QB behind Rashada. Truth is when doing 7on7 or tournaments without pads or pressure it’s a different game. Emory is not a good athlete, slow, low release point and holds the ball too long. It is what it is. He’s cerebral but his short comings physically can’t overcome the game and he’s just flat out slow with everything. Whereas Brock Purdy who has a below average arm and is an average athlete - is faster getting the ball out and can process much faster and is able to get a catchable ball out.

I think this fan base is misremembering things, so let me provide clarification:

Emory committed prior to Rashada. In fact, when Williams committed, this board wondered if would land Rashada. It was reported Emory was going to be QB1 in the class, that’s how much Ponce valued him.

See here

Official Post in thread 'Emory Williams - 2023 QB COMMIT'

May 17, 2022

Another tidbit from Williams interview with Rivals - he said that Ponce told him he will likely redshirt year one. He also told him if he commits to Miami he will be the ONLY QB in the class.

• Hoyacane1620

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Matter of fact, go ahead & refresh ur memory in that thread b/c what’s happening is a lot of revisionist history & 20/20 hindsight takes. When Rashada de-committed, this staff was comfortable w/ Williams. One of the reasons I stopped listening to Pate was b/c of this take about Williams. It was at this point, I knew he nothing more than mainstream media, so taking what he said would be w/ a grain of salt like Stephen A Smith:





Then we had this graphic put up by CaneSport shared here.

So yeah, that’s what happened. Emory committed 1st, was told he would be the only QB. Rashada committed about a week later. Some on this board were concerned Williams would de-commit & go to a school like Auburn. Some ?’d, ratings be damned, if he was better than Rashada b/c of what happened at the Elite-11. Then after Rashada decommitted, the “real leader”, “just an it factor”, “seems a bit more athletic than I thought” etc. etc. etc. started coming out on this very board about Williams. This was further perpetuated by the EE practice reports.

Let’s also remember that Mario had a sit down, healthy dinner w the family to lock him in. So this wasn’t some “ah shucks” offer. Williams was evaluated, pursued, & made us feel like he was good enough on his own merit.

 

[jdg3158]

I think this fan base is misremembering things, so let me provide clarification:

Emory committed prior to Rashada. In fact, when Williams committed, this board wondered if would land Rashada. It was reported Emory was going to be QB1 in the class, that’s how much Ponce valued him.

See here

Official Post in thread 'Emory Williams - 2023 QB COMMIT'

May 17, 2022

Another tidbit from Williams interview with Rivals - he said that Ponce told him he will likely redshirt year one. He also told him if he commits to Miami he will be the ONLY QB in the class.

• Hoyacane1620

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Matter of fact, go ahead & refresh ur memory in that thread b/c what’s happening is a lot of revisionist history & 20/20 hindsight takes. When Rashada de-committed, this staff was comfortable w/ Williams. One of the reasons I stopped listening to Pate was b/c of this take about Williams. It was at this point, I knew he nothing more than mainstream media, so taking what he said would be w/ a grain of salt like Stephen A Smith:





Then we had this graphic put up by CaneSport shared here.
View attachment 322359

So yeah, that’s what happened. Emory committed 1st, was told he would be the only QB. Rashada committed about a week later. Some on this board were concerned Williams would de-commit & go to a school like Auburn. Some ?’d, ratings be damned, if he was better than Rashada b/c of what happened at the Elite-11. Then after Rashada decommitted, the “real leader”, “just an it factor”, “seems a bit more athletic than I thought” etc. etc. etc. started coming out on this very board about Williams. This was further perpetuated by the EE practice reports.

Let’s also remember that Mario had a sit down, healthy dinner w the family to lock him in. So this wasn’t some “ah shucks” offer. Williams was evaluated, pursued, & made us feel like he was good enough on his own merit.

I’m not trying to be revisionist history here. Glad you refreshed my memory. Look all I remember and forgive me was we wanted a couple QBs. Emory was a lower ranked guy and did well at the camp. We wanted the higher ranked guys too.

Look it was a bad evaluation on Ponce. You pay guys big $$$ to coach. Nobody is 100% even in the NFL.

All I am saying is we need both. We don’t have a good QB room right now. We have a top 10 College QB if healthy. We have Emory for a week and he’s gone. We have Judd who’s a project. We have Nickl who has all potential to be good and like @DMoney we need to see in action. Just far too early. We have Coleman who looks good but only in HS. We have a HUGE gap in our QB room. We need a strong portal filler ASAP who has had a few years in a good program or has been coached by a really good QB mentor or has played some.

If the QB position was an exact science it would be easy. It’s not. Our case is different than a lot of those other schools and history. It’s just what Miami is dealing with today.


One last thing - I just went back quickly - we were recruiting a lot of the top guys and liked Dante too I remember. But one thing I know and I’m not professing to be a coach, scout or whatever. I go to a lot of camps - I don’t care how half the kids look in shorts and sweats. It’s when the pads come on you see what you have and all I know is Emory isn’t that guy. We whiffed, missed whatever you want to call it and yes you have some really good data so I don’t want to discredit anything you said. Data is strong. But in our case for Miami ill
Take a top portal QB every year until we fix our room and have some depth. And If that’s how the program works I’m fine with it. I’d rather spend on a proven commodity. You are going to see some really good kids come out of lower programs to get playing time to head up to the top programs.

 

[cway313]

I think this fan base is misremembering things, so let me provide clarification:

Emory committed prior to Rashada. In fact, when Williams committed, this board wondered if would land Rashada. It was reported Emory was going to be QB1 in the class, that’s how much Ponce valued him.

See here

Official Post in thread 'Emory Williams - 2023 QB COMMIT'

May 17, 2022

Another tidbit from Williams interview with Rivals - he said that Ponce told him he will likely redshirt year one. He also told him if he commits to Miami he will be the ONLY QB in the class.

• Hoyacane1620

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Matter of fact, go ahead & refresh ur memory in that thread b/c what’s happening is a lot of revisionist history & 20/20 hindsight takes. When Rashada de-committed, this staff was comfortable w/ Williams. One of the reasons I stopped listening to Pate was b/c of this take about Williams. It was at this point, I knew he nothing more than mainstream media, so taking what he said would be w/ a grain of salt like Stephen A Smith:





Then we had this graphic put up by CaneSport shared here.
View attachment 322359

So yeah, that’s what happened. Emory committed 1st, was told he would be the only QB. Rashada committed about a week later. Some on this board were concerned Williams would de-commit & go to a school like Auburn. Some ?’d, ratings be damned, if he was better than Rashada b/c of what happened at the Elite-11. Then after Rashada decommitted, the “real leader”, “just an it factor”, “seems a bit more athletic than I thought” etc. etc. etc. started coming out on this very board about Williams. This was further perpetuated by the EE practice reports.

Let’s also remember that Mario had a sit down, healthy dinner w the family to lock him in. So this wasn’t some “ah shucks” offer. Williams was evaluated, pursued, & made us feel like he was good enough on his own merit.

The equipment staff won't like this one.

 

[E1k]

Love a good football debate, salute yall.

To the OP tho, great post it’s clear with these threads you do that there isn’t one reason we have been mid for so long on the field...But when it’s a bunch of different reasons the root of the problem is the administration

 

[Rellyrell]

I’m not trying to be revisionist history here. Glad you refreshed my memory. Look all I remember and forgive me was we wanted a couple QBs. Emory was a lower ranked guy and did well at the camp. We wanted the higher ranked guys too.

Look it was a bad evaluation on Ponce. You pay guys big $$$ to coach. Nobody is 100% even in the NFL.

All I am saying is we need both. We don’t have a good QB room right now. We have a top 10 College QB if healthy. We have Emory for a week and he’s gone. We have Judd who’s a project. We have Nickl who has all potential to be good and like @DMoney we need to see in action. Just far too early. We have Coleman who looks good but only in HS. We have a HUGE gap in our QB room. We need a strong portal filler ASAP who has had a few years in a good program or has been coached by a really good QB mentor or has played some.

If the QB position was an exact science it would be easy. It’s not. Our case is different than a lot of those other schools and history. It’s just what Miami is dealing with today.


One last thing - I just went back quickly - we were recruiting a lot of the top guys and liked Dante too I remember. But one thing I know and I’m not professing to be a coach, scout or whatever. I go to a lot of camps - I don’t care how half the kids look in shorts and sweats. It’s when the pads come on you see what you have and all I know is Emory isn’t that guy. We whiffed, missed whatever you want to call it and yes you have some really good data so I don’t want to discredit anything you said. Data is strong. But in our case for Miami ill
Take a top portal QB every year until we fix our room and have some depth. And If that’s how the program works I’m fine with it. I’d rather spend on a proven commodity. You are going to see some really good kids come out of lower programs to get playing time to head up to the top programs.

Here’s the nooks & crannies of how this thread turned upside down:

Do I have a problem w the portal? Absolutely not. I’m fully aware of the age we’re in. Transfers have always been apart of the recruiting equation, except now u can get microwave results from it.

My gripe w/ Miami’s view of recruiting QBs is we fcked up on Williams, cool; so y fck up again on Judd? Then the narrative became we’ll just focus on the portal QBs. I mean that’s cool & all, but that doesn’t mean u abandon recruiting HS QBs. Why? B/c if ur focus is on 4-5 yr transfer QBs, they don’t help long term. If u notice, not one person has addressed what did we ultimately get w/ Ward:

Did we win a conference title?
Did we make the CFP?
Did we win our bowl game?
Has he helped w/ recruiting?

So what was the long term payoff? The payoff was he was “exciting”, willing us to 10 wins, when we were close to being a 7 win team, or have we forgot that part of the season?

So all I’m saying is either we should look at both options (Portal + HS recruiting), or if we r going to go strictly the portal route, let’s look for the guys who have multiple year eligibility which allows you to build ur room organically. Again, u will not see one top program saying “ahhhh shucks, fck HS QB evaluations, we’ll just focus on the portal every season.” That’s a flawed strategy b/c of not only what I mentioned above, but also u never know what u’ll get from the portal:

For every Cam Ward, there’s a 70-80% chance u’ll get a dud, which is y it’s imperative to utilize both. That’s all I’m saying.

 

[CANESCANES]

For every Cam Ward, there’s a 70-80% chance u’ll get a dud, which is y it’s imperative to utilize both. That’s all I’m saying.

Kirby Smart won two national titles with a former Walk On, but he also had a 5 star transfer on his roster at the same time in JT Daniels and he’s currently in a battle to trying to sign the #1 QB in the 2026 class

He’s **** sure not trying to settle on scrub QBs

And to your point, both is essential, attack both methods and never settle

 

[cway313]

Kirby Smart won two national titles with a former Walk On, but he also had a 5 star transfer on his roster at the same time in JT Daniels and he’s currently in a battle to trying to sign the #1 QB in the 2026 class

He’s **** sure not trying to settle on scrub QBs
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And to your point, both is essential, attack both methods and never settle

Miami and settle are synonymous.

 

[Rellyrell]

Kirby Smart won two national titles with a former Walk On, but he also had a 5 star transfer on his roster at the same time in JT Daniels and he’s currently in a battle to trying to sign the #1 QB in the 2026 class

He’s **** sure not trying to settle on scrub QBs
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And to your point, both is essential, attack both methods and never settle

Bro, that’s all I’m saying. Also, that 2* Walk-On was stashed, sent to the JUCO level, proved himself & became a Top 5 JUCO QB & earned that spot. Stetson Drunken Bennett is a great success story at the collegiate level.

But like u said, UGA used & have used both strategies. Furthermore, what happened w JT Daniels, a once upon a time perceived #1 QB in the transfer portal? Lol

Again, I’m not sure why I’m getting this defiance about the importance of utilizing both. Lastly, since the point of this thread has been completely derailed, let me nuke this 3* QB argument, too.

I’m fine w/ 3* QBs if the following apply:

-They are ranked in the Top 450 in the nation regardless of position &/or

-They are ranked in the Top 25 at the QB position.

Is there a method to my madness? Absolutely.

Lamar Jackson (3*): #398 overall, #12 Dual Threat
Patrick Mahomes (3*): #389 overall, #22 Pro
Aaron Rodgers (3*): #29 overall, #1 QB (JUCO)
Josh Allen (3*): #200 overall, #5 Dual Threat (JUCO)
Mac Jones (3*): #391 overall, #18 Pro
Dak Prescott (3*): #611 overall, #20 Dual Threat
Justin Herbert (3*): #648 overall, #25 Pro

Jordan Love is the only top tier QB who doesn’t fit this mode, so he’s more of an anomaly. My main gripe of recruiting both Williams & Anderson in back to back years is y? It served no purpose; it doesn’t make our QB room better. ****, at least w/ Rosier, he was QB2 behind Kaaya.

Their recruitment gave me Evan Shirrefs, Preston Dewey, Gary Crow, Cade Weldon vibes. Hopefully, Nickel and/or Coleman match the hype.

 

[jdg3158]

My biggest hope is our QB evaluations reflect guys more like Nickel and Coleman versus The Judd and Emory guys. I’m also good with 3 stars as long as they have been winners, good skillsets, not complete projects, etc. It’s frankly pathetic how bad and incompetent our QB recruiting has been the last 25 years. All those names you mentioned make me laugh how bad we have been. Yes you can sprinkle in Kaya and Morris even Jacory, but they weren’t world beaters. It’s strange considering we had Richt and Lashlee, but heck even the beginning of Mario’s tenure set us back with Enos and Ponce. Those guy did us no favors and our QB room suffers currently because of them. Not to mention the Golden and Shannon years as well as Manny. It’s just been bad.

It’s an odds game. The odds are greater getting a successful portal qb but we need to improve the room with folks who can be multi year starters.

Truth be told I love Miami. But as a parent of a QB who is progressing in that path - I remove the goggles on and I understand why these other schools have done better and get those high star kids and have had greater success with the 4 and 5 stars than we have. My biggest dream would be to see my son strap on the U but I couldn’t imagine sending him during those previous staffs.

One last thing I just hope we can get a good portal guy to bring competition to the room this upcoming window. Love to see Nickel get some real good work but also would like to see someone who has moxie and can sling it too who wants to level up and play here.

 

[insaneinthecane]