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More unethical behavior by NCAA investigators found

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NVA CANE said:
Unfortunately the case won't be dismissed. All evidence points to an organization that is deluded with power. They exhibit the exact same actions as despots and dictators do. Completely disregard reality, and can't see their power is eroding around them until its too late.

miami is holding all the cards but since the NCAA has never been challenged like this they are probably dismissing it. They are most likely hunkering down to fight. Hopefully there is one intelligent person there and settles this before it gets uglier for them.
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Interesting.

I've never really understood what leverage Miami really has with the NCAA.
 
The COI doesn't have "dismiss" the case per se, but they can elect to not further punish Miami.

If they do that, no lawsuit IMO.
 
It is legal for police to lie to people during interrogations, but the NCAA isn't the police. Seems like it would cross an ethical barrier that they should have in place, but it doesn't seem like they have any left. I don't think Miami will accept anything from the NCAA except what they've already penalized themselves. One bowl game would have been enough. The investigation has been a punishment in and of itself.
 
What did th NCAA say before this all go started? Be upfront and honest and we'll take that into consideration at the end.
I now know why other universities don't cooperate. They were going to ***** us from the start. The NCAA get what they deserve. I'm just waiting to see what will come out next.
 
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Perez is becoming one of our best advocates. The Sean Allen inquiry into the Florida Bar was beautiful! It now gave the public more access to what the NCAA would have never openly admitted themselves, even after they allegedly investigated themselves. There is definitely smoke of a cover up and where there is excessive smoke, there are idiots getting high off their own supply and that is just suicide! Kill Yaself NCAA!!!
 
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JayBilas
NCAA takes 2 weeks to wrap its investigation of itself, hand picks its investigator, screws it up, and Emmert asks for our praise. Wow.
8:48am - 28 Mar 13


Lol Bilas is amazing
 
Jay always drops bombs! I gotta see what Tim has to say about all of this. That's another gem.
 
My boy Tim Reynolds thinks there is still more to come. Our Convo:

Stat ‏@Stat1124 5m

@ByTimReynolds Any comment on the new info that has surfaced regarding yet more improprieties by the #NCAA? http://tinyurl.com/cbl443w #CANESFAM

Tim Reynolds ‏@ByTimReynolds 3m

@Stat1124 There's more to come. It's going to a hearing and either it's going to end very nicely or very messy. No in between.
 
Problem2 said:
JayBilas
NCAA takes 2 weeks to wrap its investigation of itself, hand picks its investigator, screws it up, and Emmert asks for our praise. Wow.
8:48am - 28 Mar 13


Lol Bilas is amazing
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It's amazing that the NCAA has been unable to stem the tide of all the bad PR, they have tried a little and keep getting hit harder. They should've admitted to royally Messing up the case and ended the investigation.
 
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Bruce Feldman:
Emmert? What does he have to do with any of this?!? He's only the president of the NCAA.
7:14pm - 27 Mar 13




Every media outlet seems to be jumping on the pile
 
...but most people still believe the Shapiro's initial allegations. Miami's PR people need to start getting that story out-that most of what Shapiro said wasn't true.
 
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jakeman1 said:
...but most people still believe the Shapiro's initial allegations. Miami's PR people need to start getting that story out-that most of what Shapiro said wasn't true.
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Miami's PR people couldn't be handling this any better. Those that believe Shapiro are the Mark Mays of the world, ***gots with agendas that will never be convinced otherwise no mater what evidence they see
 
Lying to people they are investigating
as much as we want to say this is not ethical and how dare they. They can, will and should do this. You tell a player I was told by Shapiro and Jacory that you took $x on this date. If you didn't do it then you say they are lying! if you did you fess up. This is something investigators should have in their toolbox (but not since its out in the open it would be harder for them to do)

After Najar
This new situation is pretty much the definition of institutional control. Nobody knows what is right and wrong and the top brass (the institution) has zero clue what is happening. And once they found out they didn't really do anything about it to prevent it from happening.

BIG item
I know everyone thinks we have allot more info and releasing it but there is one HUGE piece that will blow this case up and the NCAA has gave this one away by not talking about it and covering their a$$ by saying they only looked in to a very specific issue with a specific person etc.

Why did Najar get fired? It is very clear he was not fired for the money to Shapiro, going against consoles advice & paying Perez. You never really get fired from these situations unless you do multiple things + one big thing. The NCAA will not fire him for things we consider do be unethical but THEY have to consider it detrimental for their case. When this information comes out it will cause a dominio effect.

The NCAA is hoping
The NCAA knows they can't give Miami any more harsh punishments and regardless how long this takes they won't BUT they can't seem like "we messed up and they got off (even though we didn't its still public opinion)" So they will take us through the "proper" channels and then they will come out and say no more punishments or here are some recruiting restrictions and then we appeal etc.


In conclusion
it is always from the outside to look in to something and go "thats wrong!" but when you have been init for so long you don't see it. Take a mortgage employee at Bank of America. They dont' wake up and say I am going to ***** some people over and I love it! They go to work thinking they are doing their job and want to do it well. thats it.. they have been doing it this way for so long they really don't understand the things they do how wrong it is.

I think Miami is doing one thing it wasn't doing before.. telling recruits we will not put any more punishments on us and this case is dead in the water. We will still have other coaches messin with us BUT

"WINNING CURES ALL"! Go Canes 2013!
 
eliteproxy said:
Lying to people they are investigating
as much as we want to say this is not ethical and how dare they. They can, will and should do this. You tell a player I was told by Shapiro and Jacory that you took $x on this date. If you didn't do it then you say they are lying! if you did you fess up. This is something investigators should have in their toolbox (but not since its out in the open it would be harder for them to do)

After Najar
This new situation is pretty much the definition of institutional control. Nobody knows what is right and wrong and the top brass (the institution) has zero clue what is happening. And once they found out they didn't really do anything about it to prevent it from happening.

BIG item
I know everyone thinks we have allot more info and releasing it but there is one HUGE piece that will blow this case up and the NCAA has gave this one away by not talking about it and covering their a$$ by saying they only looked in to a very specific issue with a specific person etc.

Why did Najar get fired? It is very clear he was not fired for the money to Shapiro, going against consoles advice & paying Perez. You never really get fired from these situations unless you do multiple things + one big thing. The NCAA will not fire him for things we consider do be unethical but THEY have to consider it detrimental for their case. When this information comes out it will cause a dominio effect.

The NCAA is hoping
The NCAA knows they can't give Miami any more harsh punishments and regardless how long this takes they won't BUT they can't seem like "we messed up and they got off (even though we didn't its still public opinion)" So they will take us through the "proper" channels and then they will come out and say no more punishments or here are some recruiting restrictions and then we appeal etc.


In conclusion
it is always from the outside to look in to something and go "thats wrong!" but when you have been init for so long you don't see it. Take a mortgage employee at Bank of America. They dont' wake up and say I am going to ***** some people over and I love it! They go to work thinking they are doing their job and want to do it well. thats it.. they have been doing it this way for so long they really don't understand the things they do how wrong it is.

I think Miami is doing one thing it wasn't doing before.. telling recruits we will not put any more punishments on us and this case is dead in the water. We will still have other coaches messin with us BUT

"WINNING CURES ALL"! Go Canes 2013!
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I disagree a little with your point about investigators lying. Since enforcement has the authority to rule a player ineligible immediately, it is very possible that they said Jacory and others gave us this information, and we believe them. We want to give you an opportunity to stay eligible by confirming what we already know. If you lie, you will no longer be able to compete as an NCAA student athlete. A lot of kids would get scared and tell them what they want to hear.
 
The NCAA's Miami Investigation Didn't Actually Stop Using Unethical Methods When It Claimed It

The NCAA ****ed up its investigation of Miami in oh so many ways. But the single largest ****-up, the one that required a timeout in the case for an outside investigation of its practices, was the NCAA paying the lawyer of imprisoned booster Nevin Shapiro to help them gather evidence. The independent probe found that the NCAA had fired the offending investigator, and that everything gathered by his successor was legitimate. Well, here's something the probe conveniently left out: the NCAA's second investigator on the case tried to use the exact same tactics.

Ameen Najjar was fired last spring, but not until later did it come out that the investigator's main source was convicted Ponzi schemer Nevin Shapiro and his lawyer, Maria Elena Perez. Shapiro was compensated with perks like money in his prison commissary account, while Perez straight-up got paychecks from the NCAA, mostly to obtain evidence from bankruptcy hearings that had nothing to do with Miami.

This was just outrageously unethical, and NCAA President Mark Emmert acknowledged that "certain investigative tactics...failed our membership." So...what does Emmert say to the news that Najjar's successor continued to work with Perez?

On Friday, the University of Miami will file a motion to dismiss the NCAA's case. Included in that motion, and leaked early to the Miami Herald, is evidence that Stephanie Hannah, the NCAA enforcement officer who took over the Miami case from Najjar, pushed Perez to obtain information from Shapiro's bodyguard in a bankruptcy hearing—precisely the course of action that tainted Najjar's evidence.

In an e-mail exchange with Perez last July, Hannah wrote: “Regarding the enforcement staff’s interest in questioning [name redacted], attached is a document that outlines questions/topics to discuss with him.”

The name redacted was [Shapiro bodyguard Mario] Sanchez, according to multiple sources.

One big honking question is why this didn't appear in the report from the Cadwalader law firm, commissioned by the NCAA to look into its own investigation. A Cadwalader rep gave the Herald a non-answer.

Ms. Hannah had not been involved in the initial arrangements with Ms. Perez and believed that there was nothing amiss and that it had been blessed prior to her involvement.So the NCAA's "comprehensive" and "independent" investigation was aware of continuing ethical lapses, but just chose not to include it. And they left it out because no one at the NCAA bothered to tell its new Miami investigator that the old one's methods were crooked, and that apparently makes the NCAA blameless.

In their filing tomorrow, Miami will also allege that NCAA investigators tried to trick witnesses into admitting things by telling them, falsely, that other people interviewed had fessed up. In any other instance, this alone would be a major scandal—but as we've said, there's a long line of ****ups and that one will have to wait its turn.

Meanwhile, the NCAA has already told Miami that it won't dismiss the case, because it claims it doesn't have the authority.

by Deadspin
 
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