Miami's Pro Day 2016

Excited to see how Richt and staff organizes this for our guys. Will probably hear the reoccurring theme of "Wow, this is way better than it was under Al Golden"

I have the opposite fear/expectation...I'm usually glass-half-full kind-of-guy, but AG left the cupboard rather bare, other than Artier Burns we won't have a lot of talent in this draft. I think our Pro Day might be rather underwhelming...unfortunately.

Now next year it should be amazing.

It hurts to admit it but you are probably right. But this event was once bigger than the Nike football camp. Unlike any other University in the country, Miami was the only school that could host a Pro Day that would bring every NFL team in the league. That's huge and I think the streak ended a few years ago. The U actually had to turn down requests from players of other university's (FSU) who wanted to participate in Miami's Pro Day because it provided the most exposure. That's huge and we have to get back to that and find a way to market that for recruiting.

Yeah, I was a big Golden defender for a long time but I was wrong. The reality of it is that the program eroded SO MUCH under his stewardship.

And what we're seeing now has me so excited and it's so refreshingly surprising. I didn't think Richt wouldn't be able to turn it around, but there is no way I saw this much excitement, this much promise, a 9-10 win season is eminently possible this season - we had no right, with how far Golden let thing fall, to expect what Richt is accomplishing.

So pumped!

You know, I think we have failed as fans, media and administrators to put the pressure on the AD to put a system in place that properly measures the coaching staffs success with recruiting and development of players. We do an excellent job on the front end of coverage of Nike Camps and providing leads on potential recruits that we think the coaches should take a look at. But on the back end, I think the combines and pro days are great places to get a critically objective and an unbiased reading on the talent level and development of our program. I think this key part has been missing from the Administrations annual review process for so long that it has allowed what you described above to drop to such levels. If it is implemented, I think the AD can either find ways to get the Head Coach what he needs to be successful early in the downward trend or replace him if needed, rather than wait until its blatantly obvious that he needs to go.

That is all fine and good, but frankly, I don't give a **** about any of that and neither should the administration. The sole criterion for success of any coaching staff is their success with their players at the college level. I would trade the pro success of every last one of the miami alum over the last 15 years for more success at the college level without hesitation. Teams with far less nfl talent and far less impressive pro days have embarrassed miami of late, that is what matters, and that is all that should matter.
 

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Excited to see how Richt and staff organizes this for our guys. Will probably hear the reoccurring theme of "Wow, this is way better than it was under Al Golden"

I have the opposite fear/expectation...I'm usually glass-half-full kind-of-guy, but AG left the cupboard rather bare, other than Artier Burns we won't have a lot of talent in this draft. I think our Pro Day might be rather underwhelming...unfortunately.

Now next year it should be amazing.

Deon Bush had a better overall career than Artie Burns... I don't get why some cane fans act like hes irrelevant. One of the best all around safeties in this draft.

I don't know about "best all around safeties in this draft" maybe your "all around" qualifier makes that statement true but he won't be drafted until the 4th round at the earliest. And while I'm from San Diego and write about them and I think Deon Bush would be a nice pickup for my Chargers, how sad is it that we're trying to get pumped about a guy who probably won't slip into the back part of day 2? We hold the record for most consecutive years with a first round picks (14)...and while I believe strongly that we're headed back towards that, we're not there yet. Bush is fine. But when Burns (who is likely a 3rd round pick) and Bush (4-5) are your highlights, it's a down year by Miami standards.

I doubt Deon is going that low, 3rd at worse... Every defensive player under Golden dropped a round or Two below where they would've gone under any other coaching staff. Has more to do with the defense they played in than their actual talent level.
No he's right about bush, actually my dad was telling me even though a lot of people think he's a true safety and he'll be productive because of that he's hurt by his injury past and that he doesn't pop out on his tape which is hat they look for in early round safeties, but they know it's morel than likely it's due to the scheme than him. 4th round to early 5th is expected for him, but if he finishes in the top in his position at the combine then it might propel him into the 3rd round. There's talk about Artie going late first depending on his combine, scouts think he has a high ceiling but was hindered with bad coaching and scheme so he hasn't developed but they love how he's an ultra aggressive CB who has no problem with covering the best receiver and they also like that he's not afraid to make a play if he's able to. Hit on him though is that he's too aggressive and would let up a lot of big plays and PI's and would need to be a third or fourth CB at first so they could work with him on that and he could be sounder on technique. I'll update people on the board about all the canes at the combine as much as I could with what I'm hearing from my father
 
I have the opposite fear/expectation...I'm usually glass-half-full kind-of-guy, but AG left the cupboard rather bare, other than Artier Burns we won't have a lot of talent in this draft. I think our Pro Day might be rather underwhelming...unfortunately.

Now next year it should be amazing.

Deon Bush had a better overall career than Artie Burns... I don't get why some cane fans act like hes irrelevant. One of the best all around safeties in this draft.

I don't know about "best all around safeties in this draft" maybe your "all around" qualifier makes that statement true but he won't be drafted until the 4th round at the earliest. And while I'm from San Diego and write about them and I think Deon Bush would be a nice pickup for my Chargers, how sad is it that we're trying to get pumped about a guy who probably won't slip into the back part of day 2? We hold the record for most consecutive years with a first round picks (14)...and while I believe strongly that we're headed back towards that, we're not there yet. Bush is fine. But when Burns (who is likely a 3rd round pick) and Bush (4-5) are your highlights, it's a down year by Miami standards.

I doubt Deon is going that low, 3rd at worse... Every defensive player under Golden dropped a round or Two below where they would've gone under any other coaching staff. Has more to do with the defense they played in than their actual talent level.
No he's right about bush, actually my dad was telling me even though a lot of people think he's a true safety and he'll be productive because of that he's hurt by his injury past and that he doesn't pop out on his tape which is hat they look for in early round safeties, but they know it's morel than likely it's due to the scheme than him. 4th round to early 5th is expected for him, but if he finishes in the top in his position at the combine then it might propel him into the 3rd round. There's talk about Artie going late first depending on his combine, scouts think he has a high ceiling but was hindered with bad coaching and scheme so he hasn't developed but they love how he's an ultra aggressive CB who has no problem with covering the best receiver and they also like that he's not afraid to make a play if he's able to. Hit on him though is that he's too aggressive and would let up a lot of big plays and PI's and would need to be a third or fourth CB at first so they could work with him on that and he could be sounder on technique. I'll update people on the board about all the canes at the combine as much as I could with what I'm hearing from my father

Honestly when it comes to NFL scouts it seems that majority of them don't have a clue what talent looks like unless ESPN has been hyping that person up their entire cfb careers.... I agree that right now Deon Bush has a low stock bc NFL scouts don't really know what they're doing, every year they just copy and past off of someone else's homework and run with it. And now with the medias input in it (Mel and Todd) it seems that, that is the case even more smh. That's why a Lamar Miller falls to the 4th and an Oliver Vernon falls to the 3rd. Instead of judging these players off of individual talent these players get knocked for playing at a terrible Miami program.

You just said it yourself about how scouts feel about Bush... That he doesn't pop on tape enough for an early round grade which they feel is bc of scheme than him?? So bc of a scheme he's getting knocked when he has higher round talent??? Scouts shoot themselves in the foot all the time.

But if u actually watched Miami, those same scouts would've never even said something like that anyway bc Deon Bush at times was the only defensive player showing up on tape... This year he didn't as much bc he played a lot of corner, but he still made plenty of elite plays throughout his CFB career ( senior year, especially his junior year, and at times during his sophomore year) that I haven't seen other safeites, that those same NFL scouts consider better, make.

Where scouts rank players I take lightly, wherever Deon gets drafted he's going to out play it...
 
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Deon Bush had a better overall career than Artie Burns... I don't get why some cane fans act like hes irrelevant. One of the best all around safeties in this draft.

I don't know about "best all around safeties in this draft" maybe your "all around" qualifier makes that statement true but he won't be drafted until the 4th round at the earliest. And while I'm from San Diego and write about them and I think Deon Bush would be a nice pickup for my Chargers, how sad is it that we're trying to get pumped about a guy who probably won't slip into the back part of day 2? We hold the record for most consecutive years with a first round picks (14)...and while I believe strongly that we're headed back towards that, we're not there yet. Bush is fine. But when Burns (who is likely a 3rd round pick) and Bush (4-5) are your highlights, it's a down year by Miami standards.

I doubt Deon is going that low, 3rd at worse... Every defensive player under Golden dropped a round or Two below where they would've gone under any other coaching staff. Has more to do with the defense they played in than their actual talent level.
No he's right about bush, actually my dad was telling me even though a lot of people think he's a true safety and he'll be productive because of that he's hurt by his injury past and that he doesn't pop out on his tape which is hat they look for in early round safeties, but they know it's morel than likely it's due to the scheme than him. 4th round to early 5th is expected for him, but if he finishes in the top in his position at the combine then it might propel him into the 3rd round. There's talk about Artie going late first depending on his combine, scouts think he has a high ceiling but was hindered with bad coaching and scheme so he hasn't developed but they love how he's an ultra aggressive CB who has no problem with covering the best receiver and they also like that he's not afraid to make a play if he's able to. Hit on him though is that he's too aggressive and would let up a lot of big plays and PI's and would need to be a third or fourth CB at first so they could work with him on that and he could be sounder on technique. I'll update people on the board about all the canes at the combine as much as I could with what I'm hearing from my father

Honestly when it comes to NFL scouts it seems that majority of them don't have a clue what talent looks like unless ESPN has been hyping that person up their entire cfb careers.... I agree that right now Deon Bush has a low stock bc NFL scouts don't really know what they're doing, every year they just copy and past off of someone else's homework and run with it. And now with the medias input in it (Mel and Todd) it seems that, that is the case even more smh. That's why a Lamar Miller falls to the 4th and an Oliver Vernon falls to the 3rd. Instead of judging these players off of individual talent these players get knocked for playing at a terrible Miami program.

You just said it yourself about how scouts feel about Bush... That he doesn't pop on tape enough for an early round grade which they feel is bc of scheme than him?? So bc of a scheme he's getting knocked when he has higher round talent??? Scouts shoot themselves in the foot all the time.

But if u actually watched Miami, those same scouts would've never even said something like that anyway bc Deon Bush at times was the only defensive player showing up on tape... This year he didn't as much bc he played a lot of corner, but he still made plenty of elite plays throughout his CFB career ( senior year, especially his junior year, and at times during his sophomore year) that I haven't seen other safeites, that those same NFL scouts consider better, make.

Where scouts rank players I take lightly, wherever Deon gets drafted he's going to out play it...
So why is it being rumored that Carson Wentz is going to the Browns 2nd overall over Goff and lynch?? Scout don't make a decision on players based of Mel and Todd, tbh my dad thinks they're idiots
 
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Honestly when it comes to NFL scouts it seems that majority of them don't have a clue what talent looks like unless ESPN has been hyping that person up their entire cfb careers.... I agree that right now Deon Bush has a low stock bc NFL scouts don't really know what they're doing, every year they just copy and past off of someone else's homework and run with it. And now with the medias input in it (Mel and Todd) it seems that, that is the case even more smh. That's why a Lamar Miller falls to the 4th and an Oliver Vernon falls to the 3rd. Instead of judging these players off of individual talent these players get knocked for playing at a terrible Miami program.

You just said it yourself about how scouts feel about Bush... That he doesn't pop on tape enough for an early round grade which they feel is bc of scheme than him?? So bc of a scheme he's getting knocked when he has higher round talent??? Scouts shoot themselves in the foot all the time.

But if u actually watched Miami, those same scouts would've never even said something like that anyway bc Deon Bush at times was the only defensive player showing up on tape... This year he didn't as much bc he played a lot of corner, but he still made plenty of elite plays throughout his CFB career ( senior year, especially his junior year, and at times during his sophomore year) that I haven't seen other safeites, that those same NFL scouts consider better, make.

Where scouts rank players I take lightly, wherever Deon gets drafted he's going to out play it...
So why is it being rumored that Carson Wentz is going to the Browns 2nd overall over Goff and lynch?? Scout don't make a decision on players based of Mel and Todd, tbh my dad thinks they're idiots

It's called psychology. The more scouts can knock a great talent out of the top rounds the better they'll look and the teams therefore can get more value for each pick. That's why you are seeing teams more willing to trade out of the first rounds. It equates to a team paying less to a player on the front end and therefore getting a great talent for less. Jimmy Johnson and Bill Belichick have mastered this strategy for years.

It's a win for the scout and the team. Unfortunately, for the player he'll never get that signing bonus and top round money back.
 
Bush is a ball player, he's going to get dinged for injuries though. The shoulder thing consistently popped up for 4 years and that will push him at least a round lower than whatever his actual stock price should be.

Shame because when healthy dude was an explosive hitter and had a nose for the ball...see the goal line play against VT last year that I've seen few safeties ever make. He was miscast as a center fielder because his real strength is his versatility...covering in the slot, blitzing, etc.
 
Mel Kiper seems to this Burns is a low second or late 1st round draft pick. I don't think his talent is going unnoticed.
 
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