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Miami Mentions: 2020 Top247 July Update

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I'm not obsessed with the rankings. They're all over the map. Look at 247, ESPN, and Rivals. They,ll have a guy 3-star on one a 4-star in another. Take Keshawn Washington for example. He's a low 3 on 247 and ranked 31st at his position. Even worse, ESPN has him as an even lower 3 ranked 42nd at his position. On Rivals he's a high 4 and ranked 9th at his position.

How can recruiting sites be so far off in their evaluation? I would lean to Rivals more because they actually put on camps and evaluate in person., but they have cases where guys are ranked lower and then higher on other sites.

The bottom line is there's no consensus in the evaluation process and it's mostly subjective than test measurables. Lastly, it's about program and scheme fit. A recruit rated as a 3-star may be a better fit for the program than a higher rated 4-star.
 
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@Dwinstitles D, I enjoy your posts & we communicate very well on here but I think you’re becoming the “I’m hard on my team” guy a little too much nowadays. The recruitng services don’t like us. It’s obvious & the reason is we bring much less paid subscribers then SEC teams.
 
JgDaCane said:
@Dwinstitles D, I enjoy your posts & we communicate very well on here but I think you’re becoming the “I’m hard on my team” guy a little too much nowadays. The recruitng services don’t like us. It’s obvious & the reason is we bring much less paid subscribers then SEC teams.
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Im an official mope, it sucks to transform into what I am but I need proof first man cause yearly my expectations r too high so I have adjusted them so I wont get that heart break no more. Also I get sick and tired of our fans (who I love....well some fans not all) getting tricked every year. Im a miserable ******* now
 
TheOriginalCane said:
Good lord, I provide all the evidence to prove you wrong and you just keep digging your heels in deeper.

This isn't about whether "most people knew he was elite". This is about whether Sean Taylor was officially listed ANYWHERE as a 5-star. And he was not. I don't care about your opinion or "ethnicsands" opinion, that isn't the issue AT ALL.

This is about a simple concept, so here it is once again, so that you don't get confused and go off on another one of your 100 tangents.

Recruit is good. Recruit is highly rated. Recruit makes an ORAL COMMITMENT to Miami. Recruit begins to drop in the Rivals/Scout/247 rankings for no apparent reason. All while the recruits who make ORAL COMMITMENTS (or are considered strong leans) to SEC schools (and a few others, like Ohio Taint, Clemson, Michigan, Notre Dame, etc.) continue to be bumped up in the Rivals/Scout/247 rankings, even when they have done nothing tangible to merit a rise in the rankings.

Literally, I don't care about your "I'm sure coaching pedigree has a lot to do with it" opinion. It's ridiculous. It is well-documented that certain website writers/moderators/site-owners lobby these ratings services for THEIR SCHOOLS' RECRUITS. And Miami writers/moderators/site-owners do not.

Keep your head in the sand. I don't care. And I've never said that the rankings are the end-all/be-all. But as Franchise has stated about a million times, there are situations where perception becomes reality. If the best players think that all the best players are going to Clemson, then all of the "we do our own evaluations" tropes in the world are not going to reverse the situation.

Yes, top recruiting classes do not INSURE national championships. But star-ratings and recruiting class rankings have a STATISTICAL CORRELATION to who the best teams turn out to be. There are always exceptions. But you ALWAYS make your chances at the title MORE LIKELY by signing the highest rated classes possible.

And if certain writers/moderators/site-owners for certain schools are corrupting the process, then they are STATISTICALLY giving themselves and their schools an advantage. Even if an individual high-rated player does not pan out, or a low-rated player has an amazing career, overall, the most talented recruiting classes tend to win more. As an aggregate. Statistically.
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I camt argue against your point because I dont pay attention usually to guys ranking after they verbal to us so I have no clue if they have ever rised in the rankings after a verbal here. I just find it hard to believe because if theres even one recruit that has committed here that has improved his ranking then that counters what everyone says. All it takes is one time for a kid to rise after a UM pledge and this argument gets destroyed I wont look for it but theres no way that its not happened. If theres a contradictory evidence of one commit rising after a pledge then this arguments over because im the type that if i see a contradiction im out. Thats like when dmoney made a thread here saying he knows guys get paid but thats not the reason they dont come here its either one or the other not both. If no one has ever risen then u guys got a point
 
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Number1CanesFan said:
I'm not obsessed with the rankings. They're all over the map. Look at 247, ESPN, and Rivals. They,ll have a guy 3-star on one a 4-star in another. Take Keshawn Washington for example. He's a low 3 on 247 and ranked 31st at his position. Even worse, ESPN has him as an even lower 3 ranked 42nd at his position. On Rivals he's a high 4 and ranked 9th at his position.

How can recruiting sites be so far off in their evaluation? I would lean to Rivals more because they actually put on camps and evaluate in person., but they have cases where guys are ranked lower and then higher on other sites.

The bottom line is there's no consensus in the evaluation process and it's mostly subjective than test measurables. Lastly, it's about program and scheme fit. A recruit rated as a 3-star may be a better fit for the program than a higher rated 4-star.
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I believe it's worse with 247 than the other sites. Rivals has always pumped up FSU guys because they have a huge subscriber base in Whorechant. The first time it became clear there was rankings bias was 15 years ago with them. However, it's clearly gotten worse and especially at 247. Even Ivins was threatening the school that kicked him out he'd be the last person to recommend a kid from there now. Imagine how that works for Stampini or the OSU, UGA, Clemson, and Bama sites that easily have double to quadruple the subscribers.

In conclusion, we should all leave CIS subscribe to all the TOS. Just open up the pocket books. Then we can make it clear we want Justin Hodges to creep up and be a top 200 player for getting his 4.9 40 down to a 4.7 at a fictional camp. Seriously, someone will come up with a non-subscriber based platform and put up non-biased rankings eventually. They could even let average joes vote if they watch game tape on a prospect and make it a percentage of the ranking.
 
Dwinstitles said:
Im an official mope, it sucks to transform into what I am but I need proof first man cause yearly my expectations r too high so I have adjusted them so I wont get that heart break no more. Also I get sick and tired of our fans (who I love....well some fans not all) getting tricked every year. Im a miserable ******* now
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How you gonna be like when we kick *** this year??
 
Dwinstitles said:
Im an official mope, it sucks to transform into what I am but I need proof first man cause yearly my expectations r too high so I have adjusted them so I wont get that heart break no more. Also I get sick and tired of our fans (who I love....well some fans not all) getting tricked every year. Im a miserable ******* now
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I totally understand guy I’m just saying cheer the **** up a little lol We got a good vibe going. If on 8/24 we lose i’ll have the hood up with it tied only so I can breath with ya tho lol
 
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JgDaCane said:
I totally understand guy I’m just saying cheer the **** up a little lol We got a good vibe going. If on 8/24 we lose i’ll have the hood up with it tied only so I can breath with ya tho lol
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i feel u i feel u i been trying i been posting positive and negative stuff equally
 
Dwinstitles said:
I camt argue against your point because I dont pay attention usually to guys ranking after they verbal to us so I have no clue if they have ever rised in the rankings after a verbal here. I just find it hard to believe because if theres even one recruit that has committed here that has improved his ranking then that counters what everyone says. All it takes is one time for a kid to rise after a UM pledge and this argument gets destroyed I wont look for it but theres no way that its not happened. If theres a contradictory evidence of one commit rising after a pledge then this arguments over because im the type that if i see a contradiction im out. Thats like when dmoney made a thread here saying he knows guys get paid but thats not the reason they dont come here its either one or the other not both. If no one has ever risen then u guys got a point
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I'm not trying to argue with you. Honestly, I'm not. But this whole "all it takes is ONE KID to rise to disprove the theory" stuff is nonsense. This is statistics, this is tendencies, this is NOT a "100% all the time, everytime" type situation.

Put it this way...if you go to a massage parlor 100 times, and 90 times they stick something up your ******, eventually you are going to come to the conclusion that you are very likely to have something shoved up your ****** EVEN IF IT DOESN'T HAPPEN EVERY TIME.

Two other things. First, there are some recruits who commit to Miami, yet are flip candidates to other schools, thus there may not be a motive for, say, Gene Williams (owner of Warchant) to downgrade a Miami commit. Second, you missed my earlier point about other schools PUSHING THEIR RECRUITS, which might not mean that a Miami commit is downgraded 200 spots, but that he still drops 50 spots in the rankings as other more highly-touted players jump ahead of him. And, yes, THIS HAPPENS.

So think about it this way. Even if you gave a 5-star ranking to 1,000 kids, there is STILL a "Top 247" or Top 100 or whatever number that is. And even if you give the right star-rating to, say, Don Chaney, it still makes a big difference whether you put 25 other recruits ahead of him or 250 other recruits ahead of him.

Again, I would still rather get the RIGHT recruits, the ones who want to be at Miami, the ones who love UM, the ones who work the hardest. But you cannot deny that the ranking systems have an impact on the overall process. And if the ranking systems are easily manipulable by people like Gene Williams and Luke Stampini (which they are), then this creates problems. Maybe we can overcome those problems, but you can't say that the problems don't exist.
 
Liberty City El said:
Michael Redding, Don Chaney & Issiah Walker were 3 of the best performers at the Opening & all 3 dropped. Knighton didn't even participate & got bumped.

It's not the camps, it's who the scouting directors at 247 DECIDE they want to move up or down & it's based on who the player is committed to or which team is interested in them.

Michael Redding should be a top 10 WR in the nation, look at the kids they have ahead of him, some of them are not anywhere close to as athletically gifted as he is, there's not one single thing the kid doesn't do well but he's still not being properly ranked.

These ratings don't change my opinion on any player or commit we got, Idgaf if they're dead last or first, I know what a good football player looks like regardless of what the sites say. But the point is, the recruiting sites are more political than they are objective & fair and it's obvious.
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These motha****as dropped Chaney down to a 4-star...

He's been a 5-star throughout the entire year & for no reason at all they dropped him smh.

Like I fckin said, this sh*t is all backroom politics!
 
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Marcus4989 said:
That is the composite ranking... the reason for his drop to 4 star is because Rivals dropped him 8 spots in their rankings
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247 dropped him as well, he was a consensus 5-star RB on both Rivals & 247, and now on both he's a 4-star.
 
Liberty City El said:
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These motha****as dropped Chaney down to a 4-star...

He's been a 5-star throughout the entire year & for no reason at all they dropped him smh.

Like I fckin said, this sh*t is all backroom politics!
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Gators next week:

“3-star Don Chaney Jr. still solid to Miami, not taking any visits”
 
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