McCord/AQM - no third quarter action

[Pentagon Cane]

I know there were few 3rd and longs, but I do know that there were 2nd and longs. Why not bring them in then? The predictability of bringing them in ONLY on 3rd down was frustrating to watch.

There were zero 3rd and longs in the 3rd quarter. They had one 3rd and 1 and two 3rd and 2.

I am aware. Re-read the other post I made. I know there were multiple 2nd and longs. Point is, that was a wrinkle I felt we could get creative with.

A wrinkle with what? They were running the ball effectively and it made play action easy. They had 3 second and longs and they did a quick out to Shaw then we had two blown coverages to O'Leary and to Shaw. Highsmith was out of position on the one to Shaw.

By wrinkle I mean simply trusting Mccord in some of the spots Shayon is playing. He dropped, for example. If the offense sees Mccord in the personnel and he suddenly drops, that's at least less expected. I understand Mccord still needs to gain some weight, but he played some of these spots last year at 217. He's 240. It's more of a risk than Shayon, but it has some upside, too.

Okay, got you.

 

[Canesfan1899]

These guys either need to grow into monsters or we need to risk having them on the field on run downs. I realize Shayon does work holding the edge, but there's a risk/reward to everything. We can't bring a personnel package in that signals exactly what we're going to do and expect a D-1 opponent to be unprepared. I asked for this before the game. I was disappointed that we didn't at least attempt a wrinkle.

Wake and FSU had plans for each of our personnel packages. I suspect VTech will as well.

Both QAM and McCord need at least another 15 pounds to play on first and second down. We're a flawed team so bringing in personnel packages is where we're at right now.

I don't know...I think Al/D want their DEs in the 280 range. I don't see McCord or AQM getting that heavy.

That's fine if they're 3-4 DE's, but we need to get more out of our OLB's. The hybrid looks are just not getting us anywhere.

 

[Canesbball]

Guys, we're banking on a true sophomore and true freshman to bring consistent pressure. We're still a year away from them becoming consistent threats on the edge. McCord still needs to show he can play vs. the run and he desperately needs an inside move as someone stated above. That will come in time.

 

[AUcane]

I know there were few 3rd and longs, but I do know that there were 2nd and longs. Why not bring them in then? The predictability of bringing them in ONLY on 3rd down was frustrating to watch.

There were zero 3rd and longs in the 3rd quarter. They had one 3rd and 1 and two 3rd and 2.

I am aware. Re-read the other post I made. I know there were multiple 2nd and longs. Point is, that was a wrinkle I felt we could get creative with.

A wrinkle with what? They were running the ball effectively and it made play action easy. They had 3 second and longs and they did a quick out to Shaw then we had two blown coverages to O'Leary and to Shaw. Highsmith was out of position on the one to Shaw.

By wrinkle I mean simply trusting Mccord in some of the spots Shayon is playing. He dropped, for example. If the offense sees Mccord in the personnel and he suddenly drops, that's at least less expected. I understand Mccord still needs to gain some weight, but he played some of these spots last year at 217. He's 240. It's more of a risk than Shayon, but it has some upside, too.

Exactly. surely we're not the only team in CFB to play a 240 pound DE. I'm sure they would have run to his side some and holding the edge would have been challenging but I'd like to think that he could disrupt on occassion.

AQM, IIRC, started fall camp at around 235. His playing weight is probably 230. Not sure how realistic it is to get him to 250 in time for next fall, but that's a solid weight for him at this stage. Would love to see McCord at 250 as well by next August.

 

[sebastian91]

Or, maybe the coaches saw AQM and McCord fly into the backfield with no control to their movements, giving up big plays to Winston in the running game, and decided better of that plan. These guys are young, undersized, and inexperienced. There will come a day when we'll have the luxury of redshirting kids like these, instead of relying on them against one of the best offenses in the country. We aren't there yet.

 

[Dghustla]

These guys either need to grow into monsters or we need to risk having them on the field on run downs. I realize Shayon does work holding the edge, but there's a risk/reward to everything. We can't bring a personnel package in that signals exactly what we're going to do and expect a D-1 opponent to be unprepared. I asked for this before the game. I was disappointed that we didn't at least attempt a wrinkle.

Wake and FSU had plans for each of our personnel packages. I suspect VTech will as well.

Question, why not bring them in one at a time at least....maybel replace Shayon or Chick, but not both. Let McCord get reps with Shayon on the other side and AQM with Chick, or whatever combination? I mean maybe not on 2nd and 2, but middle distance on the hash or something like that.

I don't know, man. I thought that's what they'd do before this game. I was pretty sure we'd at least see Mccord in there for Shayon on earlier downs. Especially considering they've asked Shayon to drop in coverage and that's what they had Mccord work on in Spring.

I think the most alarming thing about both coordinators is the predictability and inability to be creative with playcalling or scheme. Enough making things overly simplistic, every team we play knows what we are going to do, it's time to break tendencies.

in the second half we came out and ran a lot of play-action on 1st and 2nd down. that resulted in 1 turnover allowing 14 points and being out gained 150+ to 0.

Now I agree that I would like to see a little bit more of a mixed bag in terms of personnel to force the defense to think. When we broke our offensive tendencies last game you could say it cost us the game. When we finally got back to run in the 3rd quarter we marched down the field.

 

[Dghustla]

Or, maybe the coaches saw AQM and McCord fly into the backfield with no control to their movements, giving up big plays to Winston in the running game, and decided better of that plan. These guys are young, undersized, and inexperienced. There will come a day when we'll have the luxury of redshirting kids like these, instead of relying on them against one of the best offenses in the country. We aren't there yet.

this, albeit they are our two best pass rushers. They are hardly dominate enough in 1-on-1 battles to play them to the effect that many posters want to see them play. AQM got his pressures running great stunts not beating the Tackle. which resulted in the only 2 hurries of the game for us.

 

[M3N]

These guys either need to grow into monsters or we need to risk having them on the field on run downs. I realize Shayon does work holding the edge, but there's a risk/reward to everything. We can't bring a personnel package in that signals exactly what we're going to do and expect a D-1 opponent to be unprepared. I asked for this before the game. I was disappointed that we didn't at least attempt a wrinkle.

Wake and FSU had plans for each of our personnel packages. I suspect VTech will as well.

Both QAM and McCord need at least another 15 pounds to play on first and second down. We're a flawed team so bringing in personnel packages is where we're at right now.

I don't know...I think Al/D want their DEs in the 280 range. I don't see McCord or AQM getting that heavy.

I agree. AQM and McCord have no "true" position right now. It would be a different story if we ran the traditional 4-3, they would be our week side ends.

To this day I still don't know what type of 3-4 D'nofrio is trying to run. Add to fact we are recruiting guys like Mike smith, DJ, and Trent Harris. If we are looking to have 280lb ends, then what position are those commits going to play?

 

[LuCane]

Or, maybe the coaches saw AQM and McCord fly into the backfield with no control to their movements, giving up big plays to Winston in the running game, and decided better of that plan. These guys are young, undersized, and inexperienced. There will come a day when we'll have the luxury of redshirting kids like these, instead of relying on them against one of the best offenses in the country. We aren't there yet.

I doubt there will ever be a day where we redshirt a kid like AQM. Even Bama now, at its peak, keeps guys like this active on their depth chart. Maybe they're not relied upon, but we're hoping for something unrealistic if we're recruiting guys like AQM and having them sit a year.

 

[Dghustla]

These guys either need to grow into monsters or we need to risk having them on the field on run downs. I realize Shayon does work holding the edge, but there's a risk/reward to everything. We can't bring a personnel package in that signals exactly what we're going to do and expect a D-1 opponent to be unprepared. I asked for this before the game. I was disappointed that we didn't at least attempt a wrinkle.

Wake and FSU had plans for each of our personnel packages. I suspect VTech will as well.

Both QAM and McCord need at least another 15 pounds to play on first and second down. We're a flawed team so bringing in personnel packages is where we're at right now.

I don't know...I think Al/D want their DEs in the 280 range. I don't see McCord or AQM getting that heavy.

I agree. AQM and McCord have no "true" position right now. It would be a different story if we ran the traditional 4-3, they would be our week side ends.

To this day I still don't know what type of 3-4 D'nofrio is trying to run. Add to fact we are recruiting guys like Mike smith, DJ, and Trent Harris. If we are looking to have 280lb ends, then what position are those commits going to play?

I think they are casting a wide net to see who is going to come in as a pass rusher and gain 40+ pounds and still be a dominate edge player while playing the run also. like an Aldon Smith type guy.

I think it's difficult for McCord and AQM to get on field separately because truthfully Chick is the only true 3-4 DL we have. If we can shore up the DT and the other DE spot with a big body guy like Chick. then I think you would see a lot more of McCord and AQM.

 

[Pentagon Cane]

These guys either need to grow into monsters or we need to risk having them on the field on run downs. I realize Shayon does work holding the edge, but there's a risk/reward to everything. We can't bring a personnel package in that signals exactly what we're going to do and expect a D-1 opponent to be unprepared. I asked for this before the game. I was disappointed that we didn't at least attempt a wrinkle.

Wake and FSU had plans for each of our personnel packages. I suspect VTech will as well.

Both QAM and McCord need at least another 15 pounds to play on first and second down. We're a flawed team so bringing in personnel packages is where we're at right now.

I don't know...I think Al/D want their DEs in the 280 range. I don't see McCord or AQM getting that heavy.

I agree. AQM and McCord have no "true" position right now. It would be a different story if we ran the traditional 4-3, they would be our week side ends.

To this day I still don't know what type of 3-4 D'nofrio is trying to run. Add to fact we are recruiting guys like Mike smith, DJ, and Trent Harris. If we are looking to have 280lb ends, then what position are those commits going to play?

Thomas and Jackson should easily get into the 260 to 270 pound range by their second year. Both are in the 6'5" range. When Ed Stinson came out of Miami, we was 6'5", 230 pounds. He's 290 at Alabama. Stanford plays 3-4 with 275 pound defensive ends.

 

[OBLIVION]

AQM, should be playing every down.

Porter isn't playing worth a ****, and Chick should move to the inside permanent.

You will never see a pass rush from this defense with just the front 4, until AQM is playing every down.

Our current DL can't stop the run, so AQM getting reps on 1st, and 2nd would not hurt any.

 

[LuCane]

There were zero 3rd and longs in the 3rd quarter. They had one 3rd and 1 and two 3rd and 2.

I am aware. Re-read the other post I made. I know there were multiple 2nd and longs. Point is, that was a wrinkle I felt we could get creative with.

A wrinkle with what? They were running the ball effectively and it made play action easy. They had 3 second and longs and they did a quick out to Shaw then we had two blown coverages to O'Leary and to Shaw. Highsmith was out of position on the one to Shaw.

By wrinkle I mean simply trusting Mccord in some of the spots Shayon is playing. He dropped, for example. If the offense sees Mccord in the personnel and he suddenly drops, that's at least less expected. I understand Mccord still needs to gain some weight, but he played some of these spots last year at 217. He's 240. It's more of a risk than Shayon, but it has some upside, too.

Exactly. surely we're not the only team in CFB to play a 240 pound DE. I'm sure they would have run to his side some and holding the edge would have been challenging but I'd like to think that he could disrupt on occassion.

AQM, IIRC, started fall camp at around 235. His playing weight is probably 230. Not sure how realistic it is to get him to 250 in time for next fall, but that's a solid weight for him at this stage. Would love to see McCord at 250 as well by next August.

I'd be pretty surprised if AQM isn't 250+ by the beginning of next fall. That dude likes the gym, but came into college with naturally thin legs. Deadlift, squats, eat. He was 235 in fall camp, supposedly. He'll probably be 245 by spring. Feed him whatever Perryman chugged and who knows what he'll get up to.

 

[M3N]

These guys either need to grow into monsters or we need to risk having them on the field on run downs. I realize Shayon does work holding the edge, but there's a risk/reward to everything. We can't bring a personnel package in that signals exactly what we're going to do and expect a D-1 opponent to be unprepared. I asked for this before the game. I was disappointed that we didn't at least attempt a wrinkle.

Wake and FSU had plans for each of our personnel packages. I suspect VTech will as well.

Both QAM and McCord need at least another 15 pounds to play on first and second down. We're a flawed team so bringing in personnel packages is where we're at right now.

I don't know...I think Al/D want their DEs in the 280 range. I don't see McCord or AQM getting that heavy.

I agree. AQM and McCord have no "true" position right now. It would be a different story if we ran the traditional 4-3, they would be our week side ends.

To this day I still don't know what type of 3-4 D'nofrio is trying to run. Add to fact we are recruiting guys like Mike smith, DJ, and Trent Harris. If we are looking to have 280lb ends, then what position are those commits going to play?

Thomas and Jackson should easily get into the 260 to 270 pound range by their second year. Both are in the 6'5" range. When Ed Stinson came out of Miami, we was 6'5", 230 pounds. He's 290 at Alabama. Stanford plays 3-4 with 275 pound defensive ends.

I can see Thomas as an every down DE. He already has the frame. Jackson looks very lean and I don't think he will get past 260. Guys like Trent Harris, McCray, and Mike Smith are on the shorter side and very light (210-225).

Just over looked some of Stanfords previous classes.. Their DE commits came in pretty big (250-270) range.

Maybe it's just me, but some of the projections don't add up to what we are trying to run. If want to run a 3-4 we need to recruit kids at END like; Demarcus walker, Mario Edwards, Courtney Upshaw. Big agile motha ****as

We have a few "big ends" (255-285) but not that athletic enough to cause pressure: Chickillo, Jelani Hamilton, Kamalu, Perry, Naser(I think walk on). All will be either RS seniors, Seniors, RS Juniors.

We have a few "small ends" (230-250)that are agile but apparently can't hold up against the run consistently enough. Quan, McCord, and Hoilet.

Obviously the "cloud" has hurt our recruiting and redshirting efforts, but our recruiting does not resemble what we are trying to employ on the field. Our base is either 4-3 or 3-4 or 3-5. Maybe the picture will get a little clearer as time has past from the cloud, but so far I have a difficult time envisioning what Donofrio wants to run.

Now if we plan on running the tradition 4-3 Miami, then I fully understand. But again, we employ gap control assignments and don't allow are Ends to use their god given talent and get up field.

 

[AUcane]

I am aware. Re-read the other post I made. I know there were multiple 2nd and longs. Point is, that was a wrinkle I felt we could get creative with.

A wrinkle with what? They were running the ball effectively and it made play action easy. They had 3 second and longs and they did a quick out to Shaw then we had two blown coverages to O'Leary and to Shaw. Highsmith was out of position on the one to Shaw.

By wrinkle I mean simply trusting Mccord in some of the spots Shayon is playing. He dropped, for example. If the offense sees Mccord in the personnel and he suddenly drops, that's at least less expected. I understand Mccord still needs to gain some weight, but he played some of these spots last year at 217. He's 240. It's more of a risk than Shayon, but it has some upside, too.

Exactly. surely we're not the only team in CFB to play a 240 pound DE. I'm sure they would have run to his side some and holding the edge would have been challenging but I'd like to think that he could disrupt on occassion.

AQM, IIRC, started fall camp at around 235. His playing weight is probably 230. Not sure how realistic it is to get him to 250 in time for next fall, but that's a solid weight for him at this stage. Would love to see McCord at 250 as well by next August.

I'd be pretty surprised if AQM isn't 250+ by the beginning of next fall. That dude likes the gym, but came into college with naturally thin legs. Deadlift, squats, eat. He was 235 in fall camp, supposedly. He'll probably be 245 by spring. Feed him whatever Perryman chugged and who knows what he'll get up to.

Good point about skinny legs. Corny green had super skinny legs and that is limiting to how much weight one can gain. AQM's build and game reminds me so much of Andre Carter. A guy who capped out at around 250-255. Maybe a guy with AQM's build caps out at around 250 in college. I think McCord has a higher cap. Chad Thomas - an even higher cap.

 

[RiDLer80]

I've been screaming for I don't know how long now to bring these cats in on 2nd and long.

I'm glad to see other's finally saying something about it.

Golden's "packages" are predictable in their tendencies. I forget which poster said it in another thread, but whenever AQM lines up inside, you can bet the house he's stunting.

 

[tdjones34]

FSU neutralized McCord by chipping him with O'Leary and Freeman. AQM looked like a chicken with its head sawed off.

Anything is better than Shayon Green and Pierre rushing from the outside. Actually, anything is better than our current defensive philosophy of zone coverage with no pass rush. Thanks, Al.

Yes FSU game planned to contain McCord, AQM was one on one and just missed Winston 2 times, he needs to finish

 

[weownfsu]

If McCord is getting double teamed then we should have some way to get extra pressure in there and hit Jameith Squinston.

 

[CaneStuck@USF]

So you're telling me that AQM and McCord can't do what Chickillo does out there? Its not like Chickillo is out there racking up a plethora of tackles and obliterating the opposing team's run games. So what if McCord/AQM give up some runs or a couple screens. At least they will mix in an occasional sack or pressure the QB at some point.

 

[Spookcane]

AQM, should be playing every down.

Porter isn't playing worth a ****, and Chick should move to the inside permanent.

You will never see a pass rush from this defense with just the front 4, until AQM is playing every down.

Our current DL can't stop the run, so AQM not getting reps on 1st, and 2nd would not hurt any.

i will kiss you on the forehead for this post bra,, No homo,, you nailed it big perro!! Bout time,, some ******* common sense!
Green is not averaging 3-4 TFL on the run, so why the **** is he in there., oh myyyy.......