Mario Cristobal: "If you can't identify and recruit, your value to a program is very little."

[TaylorWalls]

Miami has been cheeks since basically the Peach Bowl against LSU. Notice I say Miami and not Mario here. Now since you bring up the 2022 season, yeah Cam is much better than TVD and Dawson is much better than Gatt-*** who is utter ****. Like I said it both.

Now in terms of my unproven claim, take a look at the recruiting rankings from 2006 to 2023 and then take a look at the players that were drafted and then lastly compare it to the teams we usually play on our schedule.

Here is an example, look at the players No D had on defense during his time at Miami, some of them still play in the league. Yet our defense sucked. We recently had a real drop off in the draft but for years we would get players drafted, not elite players, but NFL players nonetheless and couldn’t beat **** teams.

Now once again this isn’t a knock against Mario just a statement that you need both players and coaching and using the last 20 years at Miami as an example. That doesn’t dismiss that Mario has elevated the talent on the team just that it’s a mix of both.

Having a couple of guys drafted off your 2-deep doesn't mean you have a talented defense. In fact, in D'Onofrio's five drafts (2012-2016), the draft looked like this on defense:

2012 - (2) a 3rd round DE and a 3rd round LB
2013 - (1) a 5th round CB
2014 - (0) no defensive players drafted
2015 - (2) a 2nd round LB and a 6th round DE
2016 - (2) a 1st round CB and a 4th round S

So in five years worth of defenses, he had seven players drafted, only two of which were in the top two rounds.

But you people keep going with this claim that we had so much "talent".

 

[Dghustla]

Indiana might have something to say about this BUT I agree with your overall point. Having big time players is the key to success in college.

And what happened to Indiana when they faced a team that has been stacking top 5 recruiting classes for the last decade?

It wasn’t even close.

No one is saying you can’t field a good team, no one is saying you can’t be competitive.

But if you want year in and year out dominance and contending titles. You need top tier personnel.

 

[Dghustla]

The point was they were cast-off and now some of them have been coached up

The actual point is that any one of our RBs could go there right now and take their spot.

Please tell me which RB you are taking carriers and snap from to give to the guys they have there now who use to play for us?

 

[VustyVoles]

20+ years of nothing and people still don't get this. It was always about upgrading the roster, not about "outscheming" people.

I’ll take both if I can because that makes you elite but at the end of the day you need the dudes

 

[Dwinstitles]

I'm assuming you're referring to this section:

"Recruiting is a marathon. It is relentless, every single day, every second that you're not game-planning and working with your players. Earlier today, I said on the radio that if you can't identify and recruit, your value to a college football program is very little. I'm talking about everybody in the building, from your people in development, your people in recruiting, your people in academics, it's always going to be about the people. The identification process is even more important than the recruiting process. Because if you recruit your butt off and bring in all the wrong ones, you're going to be in worse shape than ever. So in other words, it never stops."

If so, that would be a poster that goes by Dwinstitles. Very humble guy. Also some pretty good podcasts.

thanks sir, but Saban was great at finding guys before the websites were even on them. I think of a Josh Jacobs, dude just found dudes and then they sky rocketed up the charts and rightfully so.

 

[112_cane]

What if you coach like an old man’s broken ****

Harris voter...right here. Probably unsure of what bathroom to use

 

[grover]

Miami has been cheeks since basically the Peach Bowl against LSU. Notice I say Miami and not Mario here. Now since you bring up the 2022 season, yeah Cam is much better than TVD and Dawson is much better than Gatt-*** who is utter ****. Like I said it both.

Now in terms of my unproven claim, take a look at the recruiting rankings from 2006 to 2023 and then take a look at the players that were drafted and then lastly compare it to the teams we usually play on our schedule.

Here is an example, look at the players No D had on defense during his time at Miami, some of them still play in the league. Yet our defense sucked. We recently had a real drop off in the draft but for years we would get players drafted, not elite players, but NFL players nonetheless and couldn’t beat **** teams.

Now once again this isn’t a knock against Mario just a statement that you need both players and coaching and using the last 20 years at Miami as an example. That doesn’t dismiss that Mario has elevated the talent on the team just that it’s a mix of both.

I'm right there with you. As much as I strongly agree with @Dwinstitles the Jimmys and Joes are most important, character, development, playcalling, culture, game experience all matter. That's why you get Texas A&M under Jimbo. Or wasted talent like Willie Williams.

 

[grover]

thanks sir, but Saban was great at finding guys before the websites were even on them. I think of a Josh Jacobs, dude just found dudes and then they sky rocketed up the charts and rightfully so.

It helps when you have an army of scouts, and guys like Mario as your heads of recruiting. And bags to lock kids down before they even get national attention.

 

[JamesQuall]

Harris voter...right here. Probably unsure of what bathroom to use

Can't help yourself huh? Keep that **** in the town hall (coming from someone that voted red).

We don't need politics on the main board

 

[112_cane]

And what happened to Indiana when they faced a team that has been stacking top 5 recruiting classes for the last decade?

It wasn’t even close.

No one is saying you can’t field a good team, no one is saying you can’t be competitive.

But if you want year in and year out dominance and contending titles. You need top tier personnel.

What happened when they played there's first tol 40 team? Oh 25 point loss.

Can't help yourself huh? Keep that **** in the town hall (coming from someone that voted red).

We don't need politics on the main board

Sorry...you were the one taking about "broken ****s". Enjoy your evening in San Francisco

 

[JamesQuall]

What happened when they played there's first tol 40 team? Oh 25 point loss.

Sorry...you were the one taking about "broken ****s". Enjoy your evening in San Francisco

You have quite the fascination of ****s huh? You prefer them broken? Happy Thanksgiving bud

 

[Dwinstitles]

It helps when you have an army of scouts, and guys like Mario as your heads of recruiting. And bags to lock kids down before they even get national attention.

And it’s always warming to be first on a kid when no one believed in them

 

[bobbydigius]

Having a couple of guys drafted off your 2-deep doesn't mean you have a talented defense. In fact, in D'Onofrio's five drafts (2012-2016), the draft looked like this on defense:

2012 - (2) a 3rd round DE and a 3rd round LB
2013 - (1) a 5th round CB
2014 - (0) no defensive players drafted
2015 - (2) a 2nd round LB and a 6th round DE
2016 - (2) a 1st round CB and a 4th round S

So in five years worth of defenses, he had seven players drafted, only two of which were in the top two rounds.

But you people keep going with this claim that we had so much "talent".

Why are we cutting out the 2017 draft class? They would have only been 1 year removed from Golden getting fired? Also let’s compare this to the rest of the Coastal Division which I have maintained from the jump who we have to compare to when I use the term relative.
Miami - 11 players drafted
UNC - 7 players drafted
VT - 7 players drafted
GT - 5 players drafted
UVA - 5 players drafted
Pitt - 2 players drafted
Duke - 1 player drafted

Miami had talent on defense relative to its comp in the division. Talent helps and is the standard but coaching definitely matters and Miami was under achieving there. The Coastal sucked, plain and simple, and while our recruiting and talent never matched say the best teams, we were good enough to win more than we had.

 

[Hegemon]

What if you coach like an old man’s broken ****

I bet you watch games with a Rabbits foot in hand.

 

[CANESCANES]

Miami has been cheeks since basically the Peach Bowl against LSU. Notice I say Miami and not Mario here. Now since you bring up the 2022 season, yeah Cam is much better than TVD and Dawson is much better than Gatt-*** who is utter ****. Like I said it both.

Now in terms of my unproven claim, take a look at the recruiting rankings from 2006 to 2023 and then take a look at the players that were drafted and then lastly compare it to the teams we usually play on our schedule.

Here is an example, look at the players No D had on defense during his time at Miami, some of them still play in the league. Yet our defense sucked. We recently had a real drop off in the draft but for years we would get players drafted, not elite players, but NFL players nonetheless and couldn’t beat **** teams.

Now once again this isn’t a knock against Mario just a statement that you need both players and coaching and using the last 20 years at Miami as an example. That doesn’t dismiss that Mario has elevated the talent on the team just that it’s a mix of both.

That L$U peach bowl game was an absolute nightmare being in the stands for that game…got our asses kicked on the field and off the field in the tunnel, then 6 or 7 assistants was fired the next day.

 

[razrcane]

That L$U peach bowl game was an absolute nightmare being in the stands for that game…got our asses kicked on the field and off the field in the tunnel, then 6 or 7 assistants was fired the next day.

Yep I was there too. Coker tried to save his butt the next day. You knew it was the end.

 

[sdaly12]

Those are shots fired at people within the program

insanity if that is the case, 20+ years of absolute mediocrity & now we win 10 + a shot at playoffs..... last time we won 10 under Richt it was a mirage that Clemson destroyed. Mario can drive me crazy but do not ever underestimate what he has accomplished in a short time

 

[TaylorWalls]

Why are we cutting out the 2017 draft class? They would have only been 1 year removed from Golden getting fired? Also let’s compare this to the rest of the Coastal Division which I have maintained from the jump who we have to compare to when I use the term relative.
Miami - 11 players drafted
UNC - 7 players drafted
VT - 7 players drafted
GT - 5 players drafted
UVA - 5 players drafted
Pitt - 2 players drafted
Duke - 1 player drafted

Miami had talent on defense relative to its comp in the division. Talent helps and is the standard but coaching definitely matters and Miami was under achieving there. The Coastal sucked, plain and simple, and while our recruiting and talent never matched say the best teams, we were good enough to win more than we had.

A defense has 20+ players that it relies in any given season. Saying that we had “more talent” because we had one more 5th rounder than someone else shows a lack of understanding about what talent is.

 

[insaneinthecane]

I guess we’ll have to suffer more kicks to the corner being returned for huge gains, instead of letting AB kick it out of the end zone, at least based on the tone of his response. How wonderful. Makes total sense.

Did you ever think that maybe AB can’t consistently kick it out of the end zone? I’m sure that if he could, he would.

 

[bobbydigius]

A defense has 20+ players that it relies in any given season. Saying that we had “more talent” because we had one more 5th rounder than someone else shows a lack of understanding about what talent is.

We had 50% more NFL players on defense than the next closest team during that stretch not one player. I’m not dug in on my position, if you want to dig deeper to disprove my statement, I’m here for it. I started saying we had more talent than the teams relative to our schedule, I then used No D as an example of having such talent and underperforming. I then said recruiting ranking wise we were better than our division rivals, and then showed that on the way out the NFL draft confirmed that.

Now there is a second part to this and that is development. That’s coaching, this notion that players were always going to be what they ended up to be is absurd. So Golden recruited at a top 10ish level in 12-14. His development was not top 10 yet the talent he amassed, once again relative to our schedule was still better than our peers and yet we still underperformed.