Let's hope we break out of the Nix Zone

I'm not sure Fisch is confident enough in Morris yet, which is understandable, and just wanted to limit his chance at mistakes. Morris played pretty well today, but he still showed a bad tendency to lock on and stare his receiver down. He also seems to have loads of confidence in his arm and is very willing, almost anxious at times, to try and force the ball into tight windows. Not so sure at this point that that's such a good thing.
 
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Way to many runs out of the shot gun formation. Have to line up with a full back and get in between the tackles. The o line looked good got to use them.
 
Way to many runs out of the shot gun formation. Have to line up with a full back and get in between the tackles. The o line looked good got to use them.
Late in the 2nd half and UM recovers a fumble on the 7 going in. Morris took three snaps from shotgun (one throw to the flat that almost went for 6 the other way, prob saved by Morris's arm strength) and none under center. Would have been nice to see a little I-formation run/play action. Could have really stepped on their throats there and put it away.
 
IMO offense played well, I dont get the complaining over 500yds of offense and 40+pts.....


I think the staff might not have enough confidence yet to work the middle of the field more IMO ala J12

Yup. *****y fanbase. Field full of freshmens and everyone is in panic mode.
 
I know Fisch wants to be multiple but sometimes he gets a lil grab bag like with is offense becuz of background (spurrier fun n gun, NFL, etc)...

I dont think he our offense is gonna turn Nix like tho, I think he took what BC gave us knowing they would not allow us to beat them one on one. BC sat in cover 3 and cover 4 majority of game and said we would have to sustain drives to beat them. They were not gonna let us get explosive plays over the top, so instead of throwing into teeth of D we took what they gave us. KSU might do the same but after that most eams will be more varied and play other zones plus man so we will see more. One thing Fisch does is have a good game plan going in. But he alse does have a cute drive or two EVERY game
 
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I think Fisch just called what he felt our offense could handle at this point. Fisch was our Coordinator last season and we never showed what we did today. I'm a fan of his offense and I think today is more of an anomaly than the norm. Once our players show they could handle more, I think we'll see more of what we saw last season.

Most importantly, we won. So until we do this and lose I'm ok with it.
 
Team puts up over 400 yds in limited opportunities because of their own bad defense and its a problem because people didn't like the way it looked. Terrible. Reports from various sources said to expect more shotgun and spread along with more quick hitters. This wasn't some thing that was special for BC. Expect the hitches and bubble screens to continue.
 
Team puts up over 400 yds in limited opportunities because of their own bad defense and its a problem because people didn't like the way it looked. Terrible. Reports from various sources said to expect more shotgun and spread along with more quick hitters. This wasn't some thing that was special for BC. Expect the hitches and bubble screens to continue.

It's not about the way it looks. It's what it means going forward. If you want to talk football, jump into the discussion. Do you think this type of offense is sustainable? Do you see its limitations?

If you don't have anything substantive to add, feel free to sit on your hands. This isn't a ****-stirring board.
 
Maybe we could consider getting Morris a mirror face mask, because he stared down too many receivers today.

When we went up in the fourth, we were successfully running the ball. We are in the red zone, and start throwing passes??? I got more tweets asking 'why aren't we running?' Like I know.

I'll give the BC Offensive Coordinator credit. They threw everything at us. Everything. We had more unassigned personnel than the law allows. Receivers undefended???? No one picking up the rbs, and they ate our asses alive.

Dropped passes. Even some good high schools have their receivers catching high velocity tennis balls. You catch those, you catch anything. Something to think about next year. No pass rush made our db's look bad. Possibly we could do a tiny bit more blitzing? BC quarterback had enough time to make and eat a sandwich before looking for his receivers.

I think we'll work on a few problems this week, and assignments should be handled a bit better.

Hey. It was ugly. But it goes in the W column!
 
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Team puts up over 400 yds in limited opportunities because of their own bad defense and its a problem because people didn't like the way it looked. Terrible. Reports from various sources said to expect more shotgun and spread along with more quick hitters. This wasn't some thing that was special for BC. Expect the hitches and bubble screens to continue.

It's not about the way it looks. It's what it means going forward. If you want to talk football, jump into the discussion. Do you think this type of offense is sustainable? Do you see its limitations?

If you don't have anything substantive to add, feel free to sit on your hands. This isn't a ****-stirring board.

Lu, there's no reason to think this is the offense going forward, though. He's called 13 games as the o coordinator, and none have looked like this, including Morris' lone start at Maryland.
 
Team puts up over 400 yds in limited opportunities because of their own bad defense and its a problem because people didn't like the way it looked. Terrible. Reports from various sources said to expect more shotgun and spread along with more quick hitters. This wasn't some thing that was special for BC. Expect the hitches and bubble screens to continue.

It's not about the way it looks. It's what it means going forward. If you want to talk football, jump into the discussion. Do you think this type of offense is sustainable? Do you see its limitations?

If you don't have anything substantive to add, feel free to sit on your hands. This isn't a ****-stirring board.

I know it was the first game and they put up points. I know is easier to recruit to this offense in south Florida then the "pro-style". I know offenses like this put up points all over the country. Why anyone thinks its easier just to line up and bust people in the mouth and run play-action is beyond me. I know what alot of people believe to be the "Miami way of offense" is far more difficult to sustain. You're asking to get a great QB, a dominant TE and very good offensive line and do that over and over again. You can get any type of WR and RB in Florida all the time, any time you want.

Can't just expect to run through people all the time. 3 of the 4 TDs came on perimeter plays or shotgun. Is it sustainable? Okie State does it. They even run out of it effectively, whether it be the pistol or the shotgun with a H-back/TE type in the backfield leading the way. West Virginia does it. Clemson will do it. Then take their shots down the field with Watkins. Just because there were no deep throws in the BC game doesn't mean shots won't be taken when the opportunity presents itself. For too long the offense has been beating its head against a brick wall when the offensive talent would dictate something else.
 
Team puts up over 400 yds in limited opportunities because of their own bad defense and its a problem because people didn't like the way it looked. Terrible. Reports from various sources said to expect more shotgun and spread along with more quick hitters. This wasn't some thing that was special for BC. Expect the hitches and bubble screens to continue.

It's not about the way it looks. It's what it means going forward. If you want to talk football, jump into the discussion. Do you think this type of offense is sustainable? Do you see its limitations?

If you don't have anything substantive to add, feel free to sit on your hands. This isn't a ****-stirring board.

I'm happy with the win, but don't expect for FSU or VT to play us with their db's in loose coverage. The quick hitches, outs, and slants won't be just "given to us" when we play against a quality defense.

We shouldn't be running Mike James, laterally (especially with screens to the boundary).
 
Team puts up over 400 yds in limited opportunities because of their own bad defense and its a problem because people didn't like the way it looked. Terrible. Reports from various sources said to expect more shotgun and spread along with more quick hitters. This wasn't some thing that was special for BC. Expect the hitches and bubble screens to continue.

It's not about the way it looks. It's what it means going forward. If you want to talk football, jump into the discussion. Do you think this type of offense is sustainable? Do you see its limitations?

If you don't have anything substantive to add, feel free to sit on your hands. This isn't a ****-stirring board.

Lu, there's no reason to think this is the offense going forward, though. He's called 13 games as the o coordinator, and none have looked like this, including Morris' lone start at Maryland.

He also had a team that wasn't in the condition to play this way. The offense last year wasn't very good anyway. So Fisch shouldn't be hanging his hat on what happened last year. At Minnesota he installed this type of offense. It didn't go very well, but it was noted that it was somewhat complex which may speak as to why it wasn't used in his first year at Miami.
 
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Team puts up over 400 yds in limited opportunities because of their own bad defense and its a problem because people didn't like the way it looked. Terrible. Reports from various sources said to expect more shotgun and spread along with more quick hitters. This wasn't some thing that was special for BC. Expect the hitches and bubble screens to continue.

It's not about the way it looks. It's what it means going forward. If you want to talk football, jump into the discussion. Do you think this type of offense is sustainable? Do you see its limitations?

If you don't have anything substantive to add, feel free to sit on your hands. This isn't a ****-stirring board.

I know it was the first game and they put up points. I know is easier to recruit to this offense in south Florida then the "pro-style". I know offenses like this put up points all over the country. Why anyone thinks its easier just to line up and bust people in the mouth and run play-action is beyond me. I know what alot of people believe to be the "Miami way of offense" is far more difficult to sustain. You're asking to get a great QB, a dominant TE and very good offensive line and do that over and over again. You can get any type of WR and RB in Florida all the time, any time you want.

Can't just expect to run through people all the time. 3 of the 4 TDs came on perimeter plays or shotgun. Is it sustainable? Okie State does it. They even run out of it effectively, whether it be the pistol or the shotgun with a H-back/TE type in the backfield leading the way. West Virginia does it. Clemson will do it. Then take their shots down the field with Watkins. Just because there were no deep throws in the BC game doesn't mean shots won't be taken when the opportunity presents itself. For too long the offense has been beating its head against a brick wall when the offensive talent would dictate something else.

So, to be clear, you're saying this is our offense going forward. Additionally, you're saying that we're going to play in the Nix Zone, as we did today, which is about 12 yards vertically and the 53 yards across. BTW, we had over 32 pass attempts to the short right and short left of the that glorious rectangle.

All of the offenses you mentioned use the entire field. They run a spread, but they attack vertically. A fairer argument is to tell me this was a one game thing, as MrPrice just did. I'd say "ok, we'll see." If, however, you emphasize that we're going to establish ourselves by staying within the Nix Zone, then color me very ******* concerned.

Despite everything you said about not being able to run downhill, it's funny because that's what our CURRENT team is best built for. We have 4 maulers along the Oline and a downhill RB. Almost each time we ran a counter, a trap or something out of a traditional set, we had a positive play. We went away from that, as others have admitted Fisch got "cute."
 
Team puts up over 400 yds in limited opportunities because of their own bad defense and its a problem because people didn't like the way it looked. Terrible. Reports from various sources said to expect more shotgun and spread along with more quick hitters. This wasn't some thing that was special for BC. Expect the hitches and bubble screens to continue.

It's not about the way it looks. It's what it means going forward. If you want to talk football, jump into the discussion. Do you think this type of offense is sustainable? Do you see its limitations?

If you don't have anything substantive to add, feel free to sit on your hands. This isn't a ****-stirring board.

I know it was the first game and they put up points. I know is easier to recruit to this offense in south Florida then the "pro-style". I know offenses like this put up points all over the country. Why anyone thinks its easier just to line up and bust people in the mouth and run play-action is beyond me. I know what alot of people believe to be the "Miami way of offense" is far more difficult to sustain. You're asking to get a great QB, a dominant TE and very good offensive line and do that over and over again. You can get any type of WR and RB in Florida all the time, any time you want.

Can't just expect to run through people all the time. 3 of the 4 TDs came on perimeter plays or shotgun. Is it sustainable? Okie State does it. They even run out of it effectively, whether it be the pistol or the shotgun with a H-back/TE type in the backfield leading the way. West Virginia does it. Clemson will do it. Then take their shots down the field with Watkins. Just because there were no deep throws in the BC game doesn't mean shots won't be taken when the opportunity presents itself. For too long the offense has been beating its head against a brick wall when the offensive talent would dictate something else.

So, to be clear, you're saying this is our offense going forward. Additionally, you're saying that we're going to play in the Nix Zone, as we did today, which is about 12 yards vertically and the 53 yards across. BTW, we had over 32 pass attempts to the short right and short left of the that glorious rectangle.

All of the offenses you mentioned use the entire field. They run a spread, but they attack vertically. A fairer argument is to tell me this was a one game thing, as MrPrice just did. I'd say "ok, we'll see." If, however, you emphasize that we're going to establish ourselves by staying within the Nix Zone, then color me very ******* concerned.

Despite everything you said about not being able to run downhill, it's funny because that's what our CURRENT team is best built for. We have 4 maulers along the Oline and a downhill RB. Almost each time we ran a counter, a trap or something out of a traditional set, we had a positive play. We went away from that, as others have admitted Fisch got "cute."
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Yes, expect this offense more than you'd like. By the way staying within the Nix Zone was more productive than any thing Fisch did last year excluding playing Bethune and Duke. We had maulers last year who had issues getting yds when it mattered. I don't know if you were happy with what he did last year scheme wise, but it wasn't productive.

Most if not all the explosive plays which is something you've talked about came out of the gun and the spread. The Lewis TD. Duke's first TD was a counter out of the shotgun. The big first down on 4th down on the first TD drive was an option play. All non-traditional Miami things. Mike James has his longest run out of the shotgun on a counter. The biggest play out of a traditional set was Duke's second TD and even that was a toss play that featured Linder's athleticism and not brute strength to get the kick out block.
 
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Yes, expect this offense more than you'd like. By the way staying within the Nix Zone was more productive than any thing Fisch did last year excluding playing Bethune and Duke. We had maulers last year who had issues getting yds when it mattered. I don't know if you were happy with what he did last year scheme wise, but it wasn't productive.

Most if not all the explosive plays which is something you've talked about came out of the gun and the spread. The Lewis TD. Duke's first TD was a counter out of the shotgun. The big first down on 4th down on the first TD drive was an option play. All non-traditional Miami things. Mike James has his longest run out of the shotgun on a counter. The biggest play out of a traditional set was Duke's second TD and even that was a toss play that featured Linder's athleticism and not brute strength to get the kick out block.

I'm not opposed to running spread formations and being multiple. NFL teams are doing it with ease. Do you see what they do inside the red zone?

You still haven't answered: do you think we can sustain success without stretching vertically?
 
Way to many runs out of the shot gun formation. Have to line up with a full back and get in between the tackles. The o line looked good got to use them.
Late in the 2nd half and UM recovers a fumble on the 7 going in. Morris took three snaps from shotgun (one throw to the flat that almost went for 6 the other way, prob saved by Morris's arm strength) and none under center. Would have been nice to see a little I-formation run/play action. Could have really stepped on their throats there and put it away.


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watching from my seats it looked like Fisch tried keeping it simple and looking for us to pretty much out athlete them. See the first play of the USC game, that play is broken for a TD because of the play Lee makes. I think Fisch wanted to attack that way early and never really stopped trying when it wasnt working

oh and it also doesnt help that morris locks on to one receiver every single throw
 
He also had a team that wasn't in the condition to play this way. The offense last year wasn't very good anyway. So Fisch shouldn't be hanging his hat on what happened last year. At Minnesota he installed this type of offense. It didn't go very well, but it was noted that it was somewhat complex which may speak as to why it wasn't used in his first year at Miami.

The team may not have been conditioned to play the no huddle, but this type of offense is something we did not do at all last year with a much more experienced offense including seniors and nfl draft picks up and down the skill spots. Why install the more complicated system now with a group of backs and receivers that has a combined <20 starts as a group, and none together?
 
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I think our offense is going to be dictated by the defense, BC wasn't going to give us the opportunity to go deep.. so we didn't take a bunch of deep shots. Avoiding the intermediate middle also makes sense if you assume he's trying to bring morris along at a reasonable pace...

I don't much care what our offense looks like. I don't like all the cutesy stuff and I'm not a big believer in throwing the ball behind the LOS as often as we did. I did feel pretty good about morris' decision making and it's nice to see a QB at the U with a gun.. there was several throws made today that jacory just wouldn't have been able to make. That being said, he may trust his arm too much and rely on that which could turn into a bad thing.

Our receivers need to do a better job of catching the ball.. and when you recover a fumble on the 9 yard line.. don't go shotgun, shotgun, shotgun.... Should be Duke, Duke, Duke.. i would also accept duke, duke, james .. or even duke, morris run/pass option, duke or james..

If teams are challenging us to beat them deep (like they did when nix was here) and we still play in the nix zone.. then i'll worry, but i don't think that's Fisch's style.
 
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