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Duvalco.Cane said:
Noooo? He's a head coach with a **** of a system that, if infused with South Florida talent, would be absolutely SICK. Does his defenses suck? Yes. Does our defense suck? Yes. Is our offense "SICK"? No. Therefore, one can reasonably conclude that Leach, as HC of the Miami Hurricanes, would fare better than what we currently have. K? The issue of whether or not defense is a "priority" to either HC is red herring. It's the results that matter, and right now, defensively both are yielding sh1tty results.

As far as the running game goes, again, one can reasonably conclude that a RB core of Duke Johnson/Joe Yearby yields far better results (than whomever happens to be Wash St.'s RB core) in the run game.
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He already maxes it out on the scoring end. Having South Florida talent wouldn't make the touchdowns worth more points or give him more possessions. His teams throw the ball well and score most of the time.

You can forget about getting a Johnson or a Yearby to come play in Leach's system, so that theory is worthless. He doesn't teach the running game, he doesn't want a running game. That is important because we expect to play in big games that might be close in the end, and it would be nice to hold the ball for seven minutes with a strong running game. It's not the players he's missing, it's just not a priority to him. He ran for six yards last night. Are you suggesting that a Pac-10 school can't find a running back who can run for 15 yards against Rutgers? Or is it more likely that he just wants to throw it on every down?

Washington State has played in a BCS bowl almost as recently as we have, so let's ease up on the "no talent" nonsense. He lost to Rutgers in his third year with eight months to prepare. That's the guy you're defending.
 
JimmyJohnsonsHair said:
AntwanJ306 said:
Duvalco.Cane said:
He would come here and instantly make us MNC contenders.
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Right, because our defense would be BETTER with Mike Leach. SMH. You people would be begging to get Mark D'Onofrio back.
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Wait, so the concern about Leach is that our defense might be bad? Ok, carry on.
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LMAO....exactly.

I love all of these revisionists coming back now as know it alls once Leach flounders at a PAC 12 bottom dwelling football program.

The intrigue by many fans at the time was based on the following FACTS conveniently left out by those who are desperately trying to pat themselves on the back...

1. Leach was dying to be UM's coach...not a bad thing to have and it wasn't just because he couldn't get somebody to hire him, he really wanted the gig...definitely had the old Cane attitude, though I will definitely stop short of calling it swag.

2. EVERYONE including Leach KNEW FOR A FACT that a $tellar DC would have to be hired to make it feasible...he could give a **** about that side of the ball. While I didn't consider Shannon stellar, the idea by some was to have head coaching duties shared by him and Leach...of course Shannon was not on board with that. The posturing that any fans of the idea wanted just Leach and "his defense" is laughable at best and a complete lie.

3. Leach has NEVER..simply NEVER coached talent like he would have had at Miami...FACT, irrefutable...and while it would have been fun to watch, it would have necessarily needed to incorporate more running game into the attack given our history and wealth of talent (ordinarily) at the position..
 
Fightinibis said:
I love all of these revisionists coming back now as know it alls once Leach flounders at a PAC 12 bottom dwelling football program.

The intrigue by many fans at the time was based on the following FACTS conveniently left out by those who are desperately trying to pat themselves on the back...

1. Leach was dying to be UM's coach...not a bad thing to have and it wasn't just because he couldn't get somebody to hire him, he really wanted the gig...definitely had the old Cane attitude, though I will definitely stop short of calling it swag.

2. EVERYONE including Leach KNEW FOR A FACT that a $tellar DC would have to be hired to make it feasible...he could give a **** about that side of the ball. While I didn't consider Shannon stellar, the idea by some was to have head coaching duties shared by him and Leach...of course Shannon was not on board with that. The posturing that any fans of the idea wanted just Leach and "his defense" is laughable at best and a complete lie.

3. Leach has NEVER..simply NEVER coached talent like he would have had at Miami...FACT, irrefutable...and while it would have been fun to watch, it would have necessarily needed to incorporate more running game into the attack given our history and wealth of talent (ordinarily) at the position..
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Please. I've shredded this clown for years. He played the easiest non-conference schedule in America, beat up on the Baylors of the Big 12, occasionally kept it close against Texas or Oklahoma, and got people like you to wet your pants because he could score 70 against bad teams.

In his ninth year at Texas Tech, the stars finally aligned to allow him to have his best season.....an 11-2 season in which he gave up 65 and 47 in two of his last three games after starting 10-0. That was his BEST season.

The guy took over a middle of the pack Big 12 team and when he left ten years later they were a middle of the pack Big 12 team. Baylor and Kansas State are the two miracles of the conference. They soared past Texas Tech after being abominations in D-1 football. Texas Tech remained a top 30, mediocre bowl team under Leach, with one outlier season.

We agree that Leach can score against bad teams. Now let's hear your reasons why he is a good HEAD COACH of a college football program.
 
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AntwanJ306 said:
Fightinibis said:
I love all of these revisionists coming back now as know it alls once Leach flounders at a PAC 12 bottom dwelling football program.

The intrigue by many fans at the time was based on the following FACTS conveniently left out by those who are desperately trying to pat themselves on the back...

1. Leach was dying to be UM's coach...not a bad thing to have and it wasn't just because he couldn't get somebody to hire him, he really wanted the gig...definitely had the old Cane attitude, though I will definitely stop short of calling it swag.

2. EVERYONE including Leach KNEW FOR A FACT that a $tellar DC would have to be hired to make it feasible...he could give a **** about that side of the ball. While I didn't consider Shannon stellar, the idea by some was to have head coaching duties shared by him and Leach...of course Shannon was not on board with that. The posturing that any fans of the idea wanted just Leach and "his defense" is laughable at best and a complete lie.

3. Leach has NEVER..simply NEVER coached talent like he would have had at Miami...FACT, irrefutable...and while it would have been fun to watch, it would have necessarily needed to incorporate more running game into the attack given our history and wealth of talent (ordinarily) at the position..
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Please. I've shredded this clown for years. He played the easiest non-conference schedule in America, beat up on the Baylors of the Big 12, occasionally kept it close against Texas or Oklahoma, and got people like you to wet your pants because he could score 70 against bad teams.

In his ninth year at Texas Tech, the stars finally aligned to allow him to have his best season.....an 11-2 season in which he gave up 65 and 47 in two of his last three games after starting 10-0. That was his BEST season.

The guy took over a middle of the pack Big 12 team and when he left ten years later they were a middle of the pack Big 12 team. Baylor and Kansas State are the two miracles of the conference. They soared past Texas Tech after being abominations in D-1 football. Texas Tech remained a top 30, mediocre bowl team under Leach, with one outlier season.

We agree that Leach can score against bad teams. Now let's hear your reasons why he is a good HEAD COACH of a college football program.
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Again, much like your baseball threads, keep ignoring the FACTS and keep patting yourself on the back...all good, whatever floats your boat.

Canes fans that wanted Leach at UM was STRICTLY for glorified offensive coordinator purposes...the fact that he would have carried an assistant or associate head coach title would not have changed the FACT that he would have been an offensive coordinator with little to no say over the defense and probably even special teams.

He was not hired as a HEAD COACH for the very reasons WE ALL KNOW that you like to pretend you have exclusive access to....he is not a good head coach....though he did do more for a sorry Big 12 program (not middle of the road) than many others have been capable of....

So, to sum it up...NOBODY is debating whether he is a great head coach, except you of course.

UM
 
None of it really mattered anyway, the concussion situation with the whining hypocrite's son at TT ensured that Shalala would have never considered him in the first place, though I believe they might have been closer before Shannon became head coach.

UM
 
We already have a HC/DC combo who need superior talent to post average results.

Just saying.
 
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Fightinibis said:
Again, much like your baseball threads, keep ignoring the FACTS and keep patting yourself on the back...all good, whatever floats your boat.

Canes fans that wanted Leach at UM was STRICTLY for glorified offensive coordinator purposes...the fact that he would have carried an assistant or associate head coach title would not have changed the FACT that he would have been an offensive coordinator with little to no say over the defense and probably even special teams.

He was not hired as a HEAD COACH for the very reasons WE ALL KNOW that you like to pretend you have exclusive access to....he is not a good head coach....though he did do more for a sorry Big 12 program (not middle of the road) than many others have been capable of....

So, to sum it up...NOBODY is debating whether he is a great head coach, except you of course.

UM
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You mean facts such as "we have won one Super Regional game in six years, but we extended our head coach." Facts like that?

How did you bring UM into all of this? If you want to start a thread about Leach at Miami, no one is stopping you. This thread was started to laugh at the guy. Did you get threads mixed up or something? ADHD?
 
I live 2 hours from Pullman, you guys dont understand how bad WSU is and what they are trying to turn around. They went 9-40 in 4 seasons under the last coach and are best known for Ryan Leaf lol.

WSU is the type of school who wants the occasional rose bowl bid and to sniff some 10 win seasons, Leach can and probably will do that. he really is the perfect fit for that boring *** school
 
Leach only ever gets to coach at the backwater outposts because there is no chance in **** he would be able to recruit a place like Miami with any credibility, and he probably doesn't want to do all the political, booster related crap.
 
With the U's talent, Leach would hang a hunny on all but a few teams in D1, but we would probably allow 50+. The U is just as much about great defense as it is great offense... I want both... No, I demand both... Mike Leach can keep his faptastic offense in the also rans of D1.
 
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What everyone who adores Leach never seems to grasp is that any time his system goes up against a good defense it can't score for ****. The mans entire career was built on running up the score on average to bad teams. He was and still is a **** recruiter and developer. How many times does the guy have to prove he sucks before you stop creaming your pants???
 
GoldenShowers said:
What everyone who adores Leach never seems to grasp is that any time his system goes up against a good defense it can't score for ****. The mans entire career was built on running up the score on average to bad teams. He was and still is a **** recruiter and developer. How many times does the guy have to prove he sucks before you stop creaming your pants???
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Just for shirts and giggles, please provide some stats showing his defense failing against good defenses as you say. When creating said list, please consider the opponent, who they are, and their availability to get better talent on NLOI day. All things being equal, your list won't show that, he wouldn't have a problem attracting recruits here like he has at most of his destinations.

When he was at Texas Tech, they were in the bottom quarter of destination schools in conferences alone. Now in the PAC 12, same thing. They aren't going to win many recruiting battles against anyone. Here, he wouldn't be at that disadvantage and surely you're smart enough to understand that, yet even with those disadvantages he's given a decent account of himself through the years. He's a wild card, very quirky, and that's why most programs have stayed away.
 
Mike Leach has already provided a season highlight and some nice profit. Somehow he was an 8 point favorite last night. Once again he fails to win as favorite, just like the bowl game and just like so often during his career. He's lost far more games as favorite than he's won as underdog, even though the happy adjusting crowd prefers it the other way.

Very familiar numbers -- out rushed 43 attempts to 14 and 215 yards to 6. That's what you get with an ignorant coach like Mike Leach. He rushes fewer than 20 times per game on average every year while the successful spread teams like Oregon and Auburn hurry up and run the ball to the tune of 45 to 54 rushes per game on average. Somehow the dunce fans never differentiate.
 
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INCaneFan said:
GoldenShowers said:
What everyone who adores Leach never seems to grasp is that any time his system goes up against a good defense it can't score for ****. The mans entire career was built on running up the score on average to bad teams. He was and still is a **** recruiter and developer. How many times does the guy have to prove he sucks before you stop creaming your pants???
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Just for shirts and giggles, please provide some stats showing his defense failing against good defenses as you say. When creating said list, please consider the opponent, who they are, and their availability to get better talent on NLOI day. All things being equal, your list won't show that, he wouldn't have a problem attracting recruits here like he has at most of his destinations.

When he was at Texas Tech, they were in the bottom quarter of destination schools in conferences alone. Now in the PAC 12, same thing. They aren't going to win many recruiting battles against anyone. Here, he wouldn't be at that disadvantage and surely you're smart enough to understand that, yet even with those disadvantages he's given a decent account of himself through the years. He's a wild card, very quirky, and that's why most programs have stayed away.
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The whole argument that he couldn't get decent talent while at a BCS-conference school in Texas is one of the most laughable things people write, and that's hard to do around here. Chris Petersen managed to get kids to go to Boise F'ing Idaho to be able to compete with the best schools in the country. But Leach fans argue that a Big 12 school in Texas can't get anyone to go there.

Here's what a good coach does: he shows up in Blacksburg, Boise, or Coral Gables - where no one has ever won anything - and he turns it into a championship program without making excuses. Mike Leach took a bowl program from Spike Dykes and basically maintained the status quo. His normal season was 8-4, with zero quality non-conference wins. He started with four free wins, scored enough to go 4-4 in the Big 12, and people like you act as though he accomplished something. You want to see something from nothing? Bill Snyder. Art Briles. Frank Beamer. Those guys are coaches.

It's hard to believe that seemingly intelligent people are still fooled by Leach's record at Texas Tech.
 
People that want Mike Leach for Coach would be *****ing and moaning after 5 games crying for John Gruden or whatever name is hot that week. What makes you guys think he could recruit So FL with success? He's goofy and corny. Our Defense would be even worse because our talent would be even worse. Can't see Leach going into houses in Miami and beating Jimbo, Saban, TRob etc for top tier talent. He can organize a big time passing offense and that's where his skills end. Stop it, please.
 
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