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IMO there's no question the "independent" investigators are simply being employed by the NCAA to put the fire out and rubber stamp whatever's left of the investigation in order to prepare for a lawsuit. This is nowhere near over.
 
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DCH said:
IMO there's no question the "independent" investigators are simply being employed by the NCAA to put the fire out and rubber stamp whatever's left of the investigation in order to prepare for a lawsuit. This is nowhere near over.
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I tend to agree with your statement about the investigators. It being far from over from a time standpoint is a valid point. As far as sanctions go, We Skate. Time served or a slap on the wrist.
 
So is the concensus around here that since this news broke Al's gotten the go ahead from the higher ups to open up the flood gates on recruiting with expectations that sanctions will be minute?
 
I think that if we sign a full class, it is safe to assume that Golden was told not to hold back. I would think this is a great sign as to what Miami is expecting from the NCAA.
 
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KLCane said:
I think that if we sign a full class, it is safe to assume that Golden was told not to hold back. I would think this is a great sign as to what Miami is expecting from the NCAA.
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I agree...what is a full class this year? anyone? I dont think we could take 25 even if we wanted to
 
Jeffrey Lebowski said:
So is the concensus around here that since this news broke Al's gotten the go ahead from the higher ups to open up the flood gates on recruiting with expectations that sanctions will be minute?
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My opinion is that we were going to get 85 regardless of what happened with the NCAA last week if we hit most of our remaining top targets.
 
We as fans tend to get into legal "lingo" when lawyers are full of **** and are of the lowest life forms on the planet who will lie, cheat, and steal to sell us on their BS justice system. Let's break this down into what we know and can gather from this BS witch hunt.

#1 We all know the NCAA hates Miami and has as much of an axe to grind with Miami as that little weasel convicted conman rotting away in jail does. That's why they're having a BS investigation by investigators they've hired to save face and will have the nerve to call it an outside investigation. This is nothing more than a soon to be failed attempt to claim all is well with the Monopoly/ Dictatorship we call the NCAA.

#2 We know current players were investigated and 90% of the sensationalist crap Shapiro conjured up from his lying conman brain was false. Out of 12 players that were investigated only 8 or 9 were punished at all and it was very minor recruiting violations such as dinners, drinks, and some jerseys to the tune of $3500 and most of that was to Vernon's HS.

#3 We know that Miami's backyard produces more football talent for CFB than any place in the nation and the big schools hate that Miami can offer a better education, a scholarship worth $250k a year, and don't want Miami owning their sorry asses again because they know how good Miami can be when they're "back".

So, this sensationalist rag drops and the media "lol, hired guns" takes the words of this conman piece of **** at face value word for word. The NCAA has already been informed by Miami that allegations by the conman have been made. They start looking through Miami's program with a fine tooth comb and a magnifying glass hoping to drop the hammer on Miami. Only problem is all they have to go is minor violations and they want Miami bad!

So now the NCAA decides to do whatever they have to do to bring Miami to it's knees. They get involved with this piece of **** lawyer "I know, redundant" and conspire with her and Shapiro from his jail cell allowing him to create the questions to be asked and proceed to collect their damning evidence.

The NCAA had nothing to justify major probation on Miami. If they did they wouldn't have gone through all of this illegal crap. We're about to find out Miami gets time served and the NCAA is going to run away with their tail between their legs. This is a can of worms they want to part in. Miami can prove they fully cooperated and the NCAA was going after them whether they had anything or not. No program will ever cooperate with the NCAA ever again if this doesn't get dropped. Miami has already self imposed more than they should have. Time served and no loss of scholarships.

What's the legal terms for a BS witch hunt from corrupt power tripping ********?
 
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Am I the only one slightly concerned with the prospects of a lawsuit being filed by um? Wouldn't that enable the NCAA to begin noticing depositions of people that have otherwise not been forced to testify under oath? Not sure it would impact us negatively in terms of sanctions (don't practice in that area), but it seems like a way to force testimony that I'd rather not have to have exposed to the public. Just a thought.
 
We don't need to sue or skirt the process to skate.

UM can apply significant pressure that the current process be expedited. It doesn't have​ to take nine months.
 
jgess305 said:
Am I the only one slightly concerned with the prospects of a lawsuit being filed by um? Wouldn't that enable the NCAA to begin noticing depositions of people that have otherwise not been forced to testify under oath? Not sure it would impact us negatively in terms of sanctions (don't practice in that area), but it seems like a way to force testimony that I'd rather not have to have exposed to the public. Just a thought.
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Yes, that is the potential. But keep in mind it works both ways -- that is UM would also have greater access to the NCAA's skeletons as well, which I would venture to guess are far worse than free drinks and strippers.
 
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ACKCANE said:
Not only did Shapiro write the questions, he obviously wrote questions, (ie the gambling), that would either make sensationalist headlines or make the NCAA dig even more. He knew the allegations were false but threw them in there anyway
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That's absolutely correct, IMO. A year ago when the gambling questions surfaced I wanted to laugh at the absurdity, but I realized I should probably cry, because the NCAA would be gullible enough to believe it and pursue it.

When topics like "inside information" and "key injuries" and "fixed games" surface, you literally can't divide by enough to make up for the gap between perception and reality. 100x wouldn't do it.

When I worked in Las Vegas sportsbooks as supervisor it was particularly pathetic when the Nevada Gaming Control Board would visit. That was once or twice per year on average. They'd bring a handful of employees, including trainees. Take a tour for an hour or two and ask questions. The first time it happened I assumed they'd be remarkably sharp, a cut above. Hardly. The mythical aspects of sports betting and oddsmaking attached to them, just like the public in general.

I'll never forget when one young blonde woman from the control board pulled me aside at the Horseshoe and said, "I understand you put the numbers up in the morning. I bet you really have to keep an eye out for the guys with the inside information." Restraining myself right then and there was one of the challenges of my life. I can invent wild stories with a perfectly straight face and tone. If ever it was called for, it was that moment. I also had to fight back laughter. Unfortunately I didn't want to get in trouble with the gaming board so I gave her the straight scoop: "Not really. They don't know much of anything, not any more than we do and not enough to consistently overcome the 11/10. We use reliable power ratings to hang the number. Then we sit back and take our chances."

She was flabbergasted. I told her the bettors were life and death to make it to the window on time and the sportsbook was life and death to make sure the employees show up on time. That's still the way it is, and decades from now it will be the same. But the NCAA and public have to believe something murky and mysterious is going on. After all, it's technically illegal in this country, and now being pursued more and more, thanks to charming Bill Frist and his last minute attachment to must-pass port security legislation during the lame duck senate of 2006.
 
This idea that multiple programs would go after the NCAA because they settled with us is ridiculous. PSU covered up child molestation. They are lucky they still have a football program. USC is already on the path to blowing up the NCAA investigation with the court ruling in their/McNair's favor. Who else is going to fight the NCAA? UCF, OSU, Boise and UNC? All of them got slaps on the wrist.
 
jgess305 said:
Am I the only one slightly concerned with the prospects of a lawsuit being filed by um? Wouldn't that enable the NCAA to begin noticing depositions of people that have otherwise not been forced to testify under oath? Not sure it would impact us negatively in terms of sanctions (don't practice in that area), but it seems like a way to force testimony that I'd rather not have to have exposed to the public. Just a thought.
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This is another misconception of litigation--that you can get an answer to any questions you want to ask at a deposition. UM would frame the issues with their Complaint, and I'm pretty certain that those issues would focus solely on the NCAA's nefarious investigation. Accordingly, discovery in that case, including depositions, would have to focus on the issues on the table. The Rules of Civil Procedure forbid irrelevant questions at depositions, and deponents are not compelled to answer those irrelevant questions. We've instructed clients not to answer irrelevant deposition questions in the past and will continue to do that into the future. Hopefully, UM's attorneys would be sharp enough and on the ball enough to do the same.
 
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The Franchise said:
jgess305 said:
Am I the only one slightly concerned with the prospects of a lawsuit being filed by um? Wouldn't that enable the NCAA to begin noticing depositions of people that have otherwise not been forced to testify under oath? Not sure it would impact us negatively in terms of sanctions (don't practice in that area), but it seems like a way to force testimony that I'd rather not have to have exposed to the public. Just a thought.
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This is another misconception of litigation--that you can get an answer to any questions you want to ask at a deposition. UM would frame the issues with their Complaint, and I'm pretty certain that those issues would focus solely on the NCAA's nefarious investigation. Accordingly, discovery in that case, including depositions, would have to focus on the issues on the table. The Rules of Civil Procedure forbid irrelevant questions at depositions, and deponents are not compelled to answer those irrelevant questions. We've instructed clients not to answer irrelevant deposition questions in the past and will continue to do that into the future. Hopefully, UM's attorneys would be sharp enough and on the ball enough to do the same.
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But I saw Reinhold Fielding Elmore pull that out once.
 
Furthermore if a lawsuit is filed all communications via email etc between the NCAA and Perez and Shapiro can be subpoenaed to build a case of fraud. That will be enough to force a settlement.
 
Man, would love to see this totally blow up and dismantle the NCAA. God dammit, please happen. Just imagine every university going ham with cheating if the NCAA blows up.
 
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