Latest on investigation via Herald. Shalala "determined"

SevenNSeven

Junior
Joined
Nov 21, 2011
Messages
2,273
Ooo Boy.


http://miamiherald.typepad.com/sports-buzz/2013/01/29/


UM faces obstacles in pursuing NCAA settlement; Dolphins, Heat, Marlins, Canes notes

WEDNESDAY BUZZ COLUMN

UM president Donna Shalala and NCAA President Mark Emmert have a good relationship, and if Shalala can somehow convince Emmert and the NCAA to allow a settlement that would bypass the typical enforcement process, it will rank among Shalala’s most impressive achievements at UM.

That’s because NCAA experts say it's unlikely Emmert could strike a deal with Shalala without the approval of both the NCAA’s Board of Directors (made up of 18 presidents) and the executive committee (made up of 17 presidents). Both of those bodies authorized Emmert to bypass the infractions committee last summer and levy major sanctions on Penn State for the Jerry Sandusky child molestation scandal.

And it’s highly questionable whether other college presidents would allow such a settlement when no other schools were afforded the same opportunity for a case involving recruiting violations, a UM official conceded.

“If the NCAA cuts them a break, you would immediately see action from USC and other schools that were punished,” ESPN’s Jay Bilas, who has sharply criticized the NCAA in the past week, said by phone Monday.

Several sources reiterated this week that UM will push hard for a quick settlement – though there are no provisions for one in NCAA bylaws – but won’t raise the issue until a law firm hired by the NCAA completes its investigation into the NCAA’s improper gathering of evidence and inappropriate relationship with Nevin Shapiro attorney Maria Elena Perez, who was paid by the NCAA for taking two depositions and for her reimbursable expenses.

“Attorneys on the Board of Trustees are telling [Shalala] we have leverage we didn’t have before and we have to push for a settlement,” a UM official said, describing her as “determined.”

UM has discussed several options internally, and a lawsuit against the NCAA has not been ruled out as a last resort, sources said. If the NCAA doesn’t agree to a settlement, “then we have to be very aggressive and refute as much as we can,” a UM official said.

“We have leverage now to question this whole process” – including whether violations disclosed by Sean Allen during one of Perez's depositions was used to extract information from others.

A UM official said the NCAA informed UM of the improper relationship with Shapiro’s attorney very late in the process, and in crafting its notice of allegations, the NCAA initially tried to “slip by” some of the evidence gathered from those two Perez-led depositions.

UM essentially told the NCAA “that’s not going to fly,” the official said. Information gleaned from the Allen deposition affected how the NCAA framed its allegations, and that will be a point of contention if the NCAA doesn’t back down.

But UM never leaked the information about Perez being paid. So why did the NCAA go public with it? UM said it was never given a reason, but one UM official said Emmert appeared concerned with “the integrity of the institution” and NCAA officials “couldn’t take a chance of this leaking out. They were worried about it getting out.”

If this case reaches the infractions committee in four months or so, “we have to convince them that we not only have been cooperative, but we’ve done enough,” another UM official said. “We reported to the NCAA that Shapiro was making allegations as soon as we found out about it [in August 2010].”

That UM official said as much as UM hopes to settle, “I don’t see how this does not go to infractions unless the counsel they’ve hired to investigate tells them to settle. If they settle, they would then set a precedent for reaching settlements, and it would be very dangerous.”

University of Wyoming professor Jerry Parkinson, who served as coordinator of appeals for the NCAA Committee of Infractions from 2000 to 2010, said he "doubts Mark Emmert would act unilaterally on his own [to do a settlement with UM]. Does he have the power to do it? It's untested. I would find it unlikely. it could be viewed as not in the spirit of the membership-driven governance of the association."

Parkinson said "it would surprise me" if UM gets a settlement because "this is a basic rules violation case, and it would set a precedent that might not sit well with membership. But the executive committee respects his leadership and it's not inconceivable he could find that kind of support" to settle.

While a settlement would help the NCAA put this embarrassing situation behind them, Emmert has suggested the NCAA has plenty of non-tainted evidence against UM, enough to continue prosecuting the case. But some UM officials believe the whole investigation has been tainted.

Incidentally, a settlement differs from a “summary disposition,” in which every party involved – UM, the former assistant coaches, etc. – work together to contribute to a single report that proposes penalties, which the committee on infractions can accept or reject. But because the UM case is so complicated and involves so many people, UM doesn’t believe a summary disposition is likely. Parkinson calls that scenario "highly unlikely."

But UM hasn’t given up hope of a settlement by any means, and one person in touch with the NCAA said that a settlement absolutely has not been ruled out.

Regardless, UM officials have faith Shalala will play this correctly: “She’s very tough,” one said.

### It remains to be seen if the ongoing NCAA investigation will include allegations, reported in The Miami New Times, that UM baseball strength and conditioning coach Jimmy Goins purchased performance enhancing drugs from a now-closed Miami clinic. UM is investigating and will report to the NCAA if it discovers any wrongdoing. Goins said he has done nothing wrong.

CHATTER

### The Shapiro camp has tried to introduce a UM gambling angle into the NCAA investigation, but there’s no indication anything came of it.

With Shapiro writing a lot of the questions, Perez asked Sean Allen 39 questions directly or indirectly about gambling in his deposition.

Among the questions: whether coaches gave Shapiro any inside information about injuries to help him win bets (Allen said he never heard that happen); whether UM players were aware of Shapiro’s gambling (“Randy Phillips had to have known because he was around him watching sporting events,” Allen said) and whether Shapiro give money to student athletes to facilitate their own gambling (“I’m not aware of that,” Allen said).

Allen said under oath: “I do feel like Nevin tried to separate the gambling from those guys [UM players].” That Allen deposition will be tossed out if the NCAA confirms its belief that the information was gathered improperly.

Read more here: http://miamiherald.typepad.com/sports-buzz/2013/01/29/#storylink=cpy




So settlement unlikely. Summery judgement unlikely. Unless the NCAA's internal review comes back looking bloody for them...


Regardless, it's still great that the NCAA's bumbling has given us something to hold over their heads, since it seems they really were out to ***** us. Now, if they dare hardline us, Shalala will introduce them to her "determined" side, her inspiration courtesy of the movie 'Seven':

294.jpg


Take that Emmert.


But let's hope it doesn't come to that, for brevity and a quick conclusion, if nothing else.
 
Last edited:
Advertisement
CHATTER

### The Shapiro camp has tried to introduce a UM gambling angle into the NCAA investigation, but there’s no indication anything came of it.

With Shapiro writing a lot of the questions, Perez asked Sean Allen 39 questions directly or indirectly about gambling in his deposition.

Among the questions: whether coaches gave Shapiro any inside information about injuries to help him win bets (Allen said he never heard that happen); whether UM players were aware of Shapiro’s gambling (“Randy Phillips had to have known because he was around him watching sporting events,” Allen said) and whether Shapiro give money to student athletes to facilitate their own gambling (“I’m not aware of that,” Allen said).

Allen said under oath: “I do feel like Nevin tried to separate the gambling from those guys [UM players].” That Allen deposition will be tossed out if the NCAA confirms its belief that the information was gathered improperly.

LOL at the gambling stuff. Can't wait for Donna to go ham in the media.
 
A UM official said the NCAA informed UM of the improper relationship with Shapiro’s attorney very late in the process, and in crafting its notice of allegations, the NCAA initially tried to “slip by” some of the evidence gathered from those two Perez-led depositions.

UM essentially told the NCAA “that’s not going to fly,” the official said. Information gleaned from the Allen deposition affected how the NCAA framed its allegations, and that will be a point of contention if the NCAA doesn’t back down.
So not only did the NCAA pay Shapiro's attorney and obtain info they werent allowed, but after being caught they still went and tried to sneak some of that improperly obtained info by Miami? Wow.
 
Advertisement
Jay Billas is a terrible source as he knows NOTHING but sucking Coach K's Cack.

Jay Bilas hates the NCAA with a passion. Him ripping them over this is only a good thing for us. He's also right that the NCAA doesn't want to settle with us because they know USC & Penn St. will both have an aneurysm.
 
Jay Billas is a terrible source as he knows NOTHING but sucking Coach K's Cack.

Jay Bilas hates the NCAA with a passion. Him ripping them over this is only a good thing for us. He's also right that the NCAA doesn't want to settle with us because they know USC & Penn St. will both have an aneurysm.

Wait a second, maybe we should tell Mike Glazier that Jay Billas said "If the NCAA cuts them a break, you would immediately see action from USC and other schools that were punished.”....Okay, I just spoke to Glazier and they will stop wasting time on a settlement. He was really convinced by the quote above.

He is guessing, he doesn't know.

He could be right but he is just guessing. This case is different and we will do what is necessary to be in the best situation possible. I stick to my Jay Billas is guessing and doesn't know squat beliefs. If you want to tell me NCAA COI Members and BOD Members don't want to settle (and a name is dropped) then I will start to believe a settlement isn't possible.

I also don't care that he is an attorney, I don't think he REALLY knows much.
 
To date, we are the only school on record having the NCAA commit fraud in their investigation of us. USC might have a case if they open those documents up to the public
 
Advertisement
This will end up in a lawsuit brought by UM and will be settled in 10 years. In the meantime, Al go ahead and load up each class and move forward.
 
There is no way we should allow this to drag on for another year ( which would happen).

Get it done Donna.
 
Advertisement
I don't see why people are saying a settlement is not likely. MIAMI could prove conspiracy to commit fraud: What was the nature of that contractual arrangement [between ncaa investigators and Perez]? What was all the activity that she was involved with? How did this individual engage in these activities on the ncaa's behalf?

If the NCAA doesn’t agree to a settlement, “then we have to be very aggressive and refute as much as we can,” a UM official said.
“We have leverage now to question this whole process” – including whether violations disclosed by Sean Allen during one of Perez's depositions was used to extract information from others."


A UM official said the NCAA informed UM of the improper relationship with Shapiro’s attorney very late in the process, and in crafting its notice of allegations, the NCAA initially tried to “slip by” some of the evidence gathered from those two Perez-led depositions.


UM essentially told the NCAA “that’s not going to fly,” the official said. Information gleaned from the Allen deposition affected how the NCAA framed its allegations, and that will be a point of contention if the NCAA doesn’t back down.


The allegations should be significantly reduced---I don't care what emmert says---the entire investigation is tainted.
 
Last edited:
I don't see why people are saying a settlement is not likely. MIAMI could prove conspiracy to commit fraud: What was the nature of that contractual arrangement [between ncaa investigators and Perez]? What was all the activity that she was involved with? How did this individual engage in these activities on the ncaa's behalf?

If the NCAA doesn’t agree to a settlement, “then we have to be very aggressive and refute as much as we can,” a UM official said.
“We have leverage now to question this whole process” – including whether violations disclosed by Sean Allen during one of Perez's depositions was used to extract information from others."


A UM official said the NCAA informed UM of the improper relationship with Shapiro’s attorney very late in the process, and in crafting its notice of allegations, the NCAA initially tried to “slip by” some of the evidence gathered from those two Perez-led depositions.


UM essentially told the NCAA “that’s not going to fly,” the official said. Information gleaned from the Allen deposition affected how the NCAA framed its allegations, and that will be a point of contention if the NCAA doesn’t back down.


The allegations should be significantly reduced---I don't care what emmert says---the entire investigation is tainted.

I think this, conspiracy to commit fraud, is a valid angle and should be explored. I also highly doubt the fraud is limited to what happened at the depositions and thereafter. The NCAA's relationship with Perez began in 2010 when the reports first surfaced. At a minimum, NCAA investigators were meeting with and discussing the allegations with Perez back then. And, I would argue, laying the foundation for the fraud.

It would be helpful to create a chronology of ALL Perez's published comments from day 1. I would then compare that will all the actions taken in the bankruptcy case. And lastly, then compare that with the NCAA's actual investigation. Would be shocked if we do not see a patter of concerted efforts and, by extension, misuse of the bankruptcy proceedings.

Simply because Perez only got paid for the depos does not mean she was not in bed with the NCAA before, especially if the UM investigation (and the insight acquired thanks to the NCAA's assistance) gave her the spotlight to promote herself. After all, no one would have been interviewing her if this was simply a bankruptcy proceeding - no matter how much money was involved. Even Rothstein's lawyer has not received as much publicity as Perez.
 
Advertisement
I don't see why people are saying a settlement is not likely. MIAMI could prove conspiracy to commit fraud: What was the nature of that contractual arrangement [between ncaa investigators and Perez]? What was all the activity that she was involved with? How did this individual engage in these activities on the ncaa's behalf?

If the NCAA doesn’t agree to a settlement, “then we have to be very aggressive and refute as much as we can,” a UM official said.
“We have leverage now to question this whole process” – including whether violations disclosed by Sean Allen during one of Perez's depositions was used to extract information from others."


A UM official said the NCAA informed UM of the improper relationship with Shapiro’s attorney very late in the process, and in crafting its notice of allegations, the NCAA initially tried to “slip by” some of the evidence gathered from those two Perez-led depositions.


UM essentially told the NCAA “that’s not going to fly,” the official said. Information gleaned from the Allen deposition affected how the NCAA framed its allegations, and that will be a point of contention if the NCAA doesn’t back down.


The allegations should be significantly reduced---I don't care what emmert says---the entire investigation is tainted.

Absolutely it's all tainted. Info they got from depos clearly guided their whole investigation. AND Shpiro was writing questions for them? Does that not sit right with anyone else?
 
I am not a lawyer, so correct me if I am wrong. The number one reason why the NCAA will settle is the threat of a lawsuit by UM. If a lawsuit is brought then all the NCAAs records can be subpoenaed. If there is one thing the NCAA doesn't want it is the public viewing of their records and files. The Pandora's Box would be historic. Could you imagine them squirming as deposition after deposition is read and published. The NCAA is just posturing to save face and let the investigation conclude. They will scapegoat a couple of former employees and rule the evidence remaining only justifies time served.
 
Advertisement
Back
Top