Kj Jefferson...commits to UCF

[Tempest]

but would Nelson be willing to sit a year?

If he wants to avoid landing at a crappy program, yes.

 

[canes732]

We had 6 games that received a negative offensive value rating.

Mario has never had a season with less than 5.

And people are happy about this? Bruhhhh, where are the standards for this program???

Ur like reading a car review and it says the 1st month it was great and then I had a flat and had to use the spare tire for 2 months and judging how it drove off of that lol. When TVd was healthy the O was good.

 

[OrangeBowlMagic]

I don’t know, a lot of people like Dana as an offensive mind.

It’s also funny that we point to the fact that Tune, after starting for how many years, finally was good his senior season.

We might as well give Enos credit for Brandon Allen? That was an elite offensive year.

What if I told you he was just as good (maybe better?) his junior year?

Regardless, this isn’t a Dawson thread. We have plenty of those. This is about Ward. He didn’t tell Dawson to pound sand to go to some other program. He told every single program to pound sand to go to the nfl. Again, for the 50th time, I think he’s getting dumbass advice. But we’ll see in the next year or two how it works out for him. For now, reel in one of the other fish you’ve had hooks in now for weeks. It’s not like we’re starting from scratch here, even though this board would like to convince you otherwise.

And even better, Howard or KJ or anyone else isn’t gonna cost what Ward would have. You can now get a portal QB and allocate money to other kids too. I wanted Ward to be the QB here next year as bad as anyone. This sucks. But if he wants to go to the NFL, have at it. We’ll get an upgrade at the position to what we had this year.

 

[Page305]

Dan Enos has a better track record as OC than Dawson.

Does he? How far back are we comparing? Because all I know is that when he was with us and after us, he's been a dumpster.

 

[JimmyJohnsonsHair]

We had 6 games that received a negative offensive value rating.

Mario has never had a season with less than 5.

And people are happy about this? Bruhhhh, where are the standards for this program???

What’s your source for offensive value rating? Not doubting you. I just want to be able to reference it when debating the Mario and Dawson apologists.

 

[mossmadness]

Does he? How far back are we comparing? Because all I know is that when he was with us and after us, he's been a dumpster.

Enos F+ offensive ratings:

12 in 2015
34 in 2016
38 in 2017
42 in 2022

As mid as this is for a “best of,” Dawson doesn’t have anything close to this.

He has 2022 Houston.

 

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Enos:

12 in 2015
34 in 2016
38 in 2017
42 in 2022

As mid as this is for a “best of,” Dawson doesn’t have anything close to this.

He has 2022 Houston.

....well gee

Still, give me KJ NOW!!!

 

[mossmadness]

What’s your source for offensive value rating? Not doubting you. I just want to be able to reference it when debating the Mario and Dawson apologists.

BCFToys.com

They have a bunch of analytic ratings on the site.

And then it breaks down the F+ (FEI & SP composite) game ratings all the way back to 2007.

And then from game ratings you can do offensive and defensive splits.

It really helps to put into perspective how horrifically bad Mario and Dawson are as a combo.

 

[mossmadness]

Ur like reading a car review and it says the 1st month it was great and then I had a flat and had to use the spare tire for 2 months and judging how it drove off of that lol. When TVd was healthy the O was good.

No it wasn’t.

 

[canes732]

No it wasn’t.

Cool go mope somewhere else. #2 and # WRs in ACC. If that was lashlees u would *** like everyone else here. It wasn’t as bad as everyone thinks. The O struggled at times bc of QB play

 

[mossmadness]

What if I told you he was just as good (maybe better?) his junior year?

Regardless, this isn’t a Dawson thread. We have plenty of those. This is about Ward.

This is a KJ Jefferson thread, not a Ward thread.

The argument in favor of Jefferson is what he did in the Briles offense. An offense that arguably the best offense in college football, and certainly the most QB friendly.

That’s comforting if you think Dawson is more similar to Briles than Enos.

But if anybody does think that, they are a low-IQ 9 to 5’er.

Dawson’s offense is far closer to Enos’ than it is to Briles.

 

[mossmadness]

Cool go mope somewhere else. #2 and # WRs in ACC. If that was lashlees u would *** like everyone else here. It wasn’t as bad as everyone thinks. The O struggled at times bc of QB play

What do I care about some WR stats?

That’s not the purpose of offense. I couldn’t care less if we ever threw the football if that’s what scored points.

Saying, “well, we didn’t score a TD against NC State, but hey, the WRs caught some passes,” is saying nothing.

 

[OrangeBowlMagic]

This is a KJ Jefferson thread, not a Ward thread.

The argument in favor of Jefferson is what he did in the Briles offense. An offense that arguably the best offense in college football, and certainly the most QB friendly.

That’s comforting if you think Dawson is more similar to Briles than Enos.

But if anybody does think that, they are a low-IQ 9 to 5’er.

Dawson’s offense is far closer to Enos’ than it is to Briles.

Having a 9 to 5 means you have a low IQ? ****. Tough scene for your boy.

 

[JimmyJohnsonsHair]

BCFToys.com

They have a bunch of analytic ratings on the site.

And then it breaks down the F+ (FEI & SP composite) game ratings all the way back to 2007.

And then from game ratings you can do offensive and defensive splits.

It really helps to put into perspective how horrifically bad Mario and Dawson are as a combo.

Thank you

 

[BALLHAWKU]

Get him for cheap and get a big time wr, cb and lb

 

[BoxingRobes]

KJ Jefferson is not a pro QB. His success in the Briles offense is very nice, and gives you

But, there are concerns that last year with Enos is likely closer to the real KJ Jefferson, but I can't help but think we can find a happy medium with his production from the Briles and Enos offense here. Our offense will look a lot different with Jefferson, but Jefferson has had more R1 playing with him than Cam Ward has, so it shouldn't hurt us with receiving prospects.

 

[mossmadness]

Thank you

The thing to keep in mind if you decide to go through Mario’s seasons is not just how many negative value games there are, but how low the positive value games are.

20 is regarded as a great offensive performance day. 30 is elite.

If I sent you 10 dollars for every time Mario had a 20+ offensive value generated game across offensive coordinators in his career, you still wouldn’t have enough money to take your spouse out to even the Olive Garden.

 

[CaneMutiny06]

This is a KJ Jefferson thread, not a Ward thread.

The argument in favor of Jefferson is what he did in the Briles offense. An offense that arguably the best offense in college football, and certainly the most QB friendly.

That’s comforting if you think Dawson is more similar to Briles than Enos.

But if anybody does think that, they are a low-IQ 9 to 5’er.

Dawson’s offense is far closer to Enos’ than it is to Briles.

Unfortunately I have to agree. I think we’re going to see something a lot closer to ‘23 KJ than the iterations we saw under the Briles Veer.

 

[mossmadness]

Unfortunately I have to agree. I think we’re going to see something a lot closer to ‘23 KJ than the iterations we saw under the Briles Veer.

Right.

With a guy like Jefferson you play fast so he doesn’t have to think.

You spread the field so he can easily recognize where to attack pre-snap and easily identify where the pressure is coming from if it’s coming.

And just let him go.

Basically, you do a complete 180 from what Mario does.

Jefferson huddling up after every play and is bunching the line of scrimmage and running into traffic to set up 3rd and Long and telling Jefferson to read through the bunched up traffic is how you turn Jefferson into what Enos did. It’s how you turn TVD into what Mario did.

 

[RightSaidFred]

Right.

With a guy like Jefferson you play fast so he doesn’t have to think.

You spread the field so he can easily recognize where to attack pre-snap and easily identify where the pressure is coming from if it’s coming.

And just let him go.

Basically, you do a complete 180 from what Mario does.

Jefferson huddling up after every play and is bunching the line of scrimmage and running into traffic to set up 3rd and Long and telling Jefferson to read through the bunched up traffic is how you turn Jefferson into what Enos did. It’s how you turn TVD into what Mario did.

Said it before, will say again….I don’t want Jefferson. Surely there must be a better option