Kicking the FG Before Half

They show just how much they hate us Everytime they open their mouths. Pushing an agenda to know end. 3 seconds before the half and no time outs. But they're both over and over about how we should go for it. ****** jagalloons. This weekend will be more of the usual with that hoe *** gayturd/bachelor & tessatore.
The guy also thought with 7 seconds they could get off 2 pass plays and kick the FG.

I was more upset there were only 3 seconds left on the clock. We did have a few big 3rd down conversions that drive so its a tough call, trying to bleed clock so FSU has no time, while also preserving enough to score.

But watch the condensed game below starting at the 11:12 mark, that is the first big pass to Horton for a first down that gets us to the FSU 30, clear first down, tackled immediately and clock stops at 51 seconds to re-set the chains. Here is where it gets screwed up:

Few plays later on the 30 when ward was sacked by Jackson he clearly clubs him in the head. The replay from the different angle shows it better. I am unsure if they call roughing the passer as strict in NCAA as NFL but I recall a few NFL plays where a player grazed the helmet of the QB and it was a penalty, just cant go high on QBs. Unsure if that is the same level in NCAA but the NEXT play ****es me off at 11:52 of the video...

Cam snaps it with 32 seconds, his release is so quick Horton already has it at the 30 second mark, he is clearly down at 28 seconds, he picked up 21 yards so a clear first down. Clock should have stopped. I could have given them an extra tick because he legit hits the field right at 28 seconds, however whoever was on the clock let it bleed down to 24 seconds, then another 10 seconds runs off before Ward ran for a first down and that stopped the clock. Those extra 3-4 seconds that ticked off on that Horton play would have given us another play for a TD.

 
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Iirc Pasch also said we should’ve thrown it out to the trips bunch on the play Restrepo almost caught it in the back of the end zone, but we had no timeouts so putting the ball anywhere short of the end zone would be idiotic. Whole game was a rough listen.
 
It was the play-by-play guy who is clueless. Same character who wanted Mario to back off & take a knee late in 4th quarter.
These "Mario should kneel" calls are also becoming nonsensical. They said Mario should kneel on first down with 1:55 left and fsu having two time outs (going off memory so may not be exactly right). If he kneels three times and fsu uses their timeouts, then you're kicking a field goal with roughly 1 min left.

Saying Mario should kneel has become a talking point, not actual analysis... the guys speak before they think
 
I realize that the people who watched this on TeeVee probably didn't see all this stuff, what with ESPN running constant replays while the clock ran. But if you were watching live and in-person, the ticking clock was INFURIATING.



Two minute time-out. Three time-outs remaining.

4th and 1 at our 46. Pick up first down and the clock momentarily stops at 1:55.

1st and 10 from the 50. Ball snapped at 1:48. Pass incomplete at 1:37.

2nd and 10 from the 50. We run the ball up the middle for no gain. We do NOT try to stop the clock, and at the next snap, the clock is down to 0.57, meaning we wasted FORTY SECONDS on one run for no-gain up the middle (meaning, we should not have needed a lot of time to regroup and get back to the line of scrimmage). WE WASTED 15-20 SECONDS HERE, and we were NOT so close to the end zone to justify the wasted time. Should have run a quick play or called timeout. In this situation, I would have preferred a no-huddle play call, you're in 4-down territory because you have already gone for one 4th down conversion a few plays earlier.

3rd and 10 from the 50. We pass for 16 yards and a first down. Clock down to 0:52 at the time he hits the ground. Clock stops at 0:51.

1st and 10 from the 34. Ball is snapped at about 0:47 (hard to tell because of TV running replays). Horton catches the ball, but there is a penalty, and the clock stops at 0:43. THE ILLEGAL SUBSTITUTION CALL IS MADE. BY RULE, THE CLOCK SHOULD GO BACK TO 0:47 OR 0:48 at the option of the offense. So either Miami was NOT GIVEN THE OPTION or Mario declined to have time put back on the clock (big mistake). In any event, 4-5 seconds were lost here.

1st and 5 from the 29, and 0:43 on the clock. Inexplicably, Miami burns a timeout on a stopped clock situation. ANOTHER MISTAKE when we had gone tempo and F$U is clearly flustered and committing penalties. Pass is incomplete with 0:37 left on the clock.

2nd and 5 from the 29, and 0:37 on the clock. Ward sacked at the 34 with 0:32 left on the clock, which Miami stops with a timeout. SMART.

3rd and 10 from the 34, and 0:32 on the clock. Completed pass down to the 13 for a first down. Tackle is made at 0:28. Clock continues to roll until 0:24 when it is belatedly stopped for the 1st down. 3 or 4 seconds are wasted on an obvious clock error.

1st amd 10 from the 13, the ball is snapped at 0:17. Ward runs for another first down to the 2 yard line and goes down at the 0:09 mark, though the clock does not stop until 0:07. Another waste of 2 seconds. Miami calls its last timeout.

1st and goal from the 2, 0:07 on the clock. Incomplete pass, clock stops at 0:03 mark, though it went incomplete at 0:04.

Miami kicks the FG.

Final analysis:

1. Anywhere from 5 to 8 seconds lost on the clock operator not stopping the clock properly AND the refs not reviewing the tape to reset the clock.
2. Loss of another 4 seconds due to improper application of BRAND NEW rule on illegal substitution, or else Mario blew his option to put 4 seconds back on the clock.
3. One wasted timeout on a penalty-stopped-clock situation.
4. A failure to use a timeout where we burned anywhere from 15 seconds (no TO, quick no-huddle) to 40 seconds (take a TO) after a run up the middle for no gain.

We should have had another 25 seconds (maybe more) and one more TO when we got to 1st and goal.

We should have scored a TD just before halftime, not a FG.
 
They show just how much they hate us Everytime they open their mouths. Pushing an agenda to know end. 3 seconds before the half and no time outs. But they're both over and over about how we should go for it. ****** jagalloons. This weekend will be more of the usual with that hoe *** gayturd/bachelor & tessatore.
"Pushing an agenda"....you hit the nail on the head. What sticks out to me most is although I'm sure it's always happened to some extent, announcers even 10-15 years ago were much more professional/unbiased. Now in this me me me era they all wanna make their mark and get talked about and call the games how they want others to see them.

I know it's always been us against the world, but my concern is this is becoming less and less of an even playing field. We're out there playing against the refs and having the announcers paint our games in a bad light, tilting people's opinions against the program (even if slightly). Makes it harder to win games and recruit when you're being cheated by the refs while the announcers slowly and steadily discount and discredit your team on every close or questionable situation.
 
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Mario knew this was an FSU team that could not score so the FG was the right choice.

The opponent dictates the call.

Playing Clemson or Louisville, you go for the TD
The typical rule is to go for it if you are the underdog team that'll chase points (VT, Cal, L'ville vs Miami) or if you have a chance to get the ball back (3-4 min left, 2-3 TO's + 2MTO).

No chance to get the ball back and you're playing a bad offense as the home favorite- take the points.
 
Yeah, all of the FG choices were the right thing to do. Forget the flash. Put the game away and then worry about flashing or whatever. Mario has coached well this season and he's done so quietly.
Head coaches are like long snappers. If we're specifically talking about what they did on game day it's rarely good.
 
The typical rule is to go for it if you are the underdog team that'll chase points (VT, Cal, L'ville vs Miami) or if you have a chance to get the ball back (3-4 min left, 2-3 TO's + 2MTO).

No chance to get the ball back and you're playing a bad offense as the home favorite- take the points.
My rules for going for it are a bit different & depend on field position.

But in terms of scoring territory and deciding whether FG or TD, I go by maximizing the gap in potential possessions.

If the FG does not extend the possession gap (for example, being up by three or four), I wouldn't kick.

If it does: kick the FG.
 
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In a vacuum, kicking a field goal with 3 seconds instead of going for a touchdown against an FSU team that was unlikely to score more than 17 was the smart move. I was okay with that.

What ****ed me off was the massive waste of time on the final drive that essentially forced us to have to settle for a field goal because we ran out of time. If you’re not concerned with FSU’s ability to score, you don’t need to worry about not giving them a last second possession. Score your touchdown and if FSU gets the ball back with .30 on the clock, so be it. Mario was too concerned with making sure we had the last possible possession of the half and that’s why we got stuck kicking a field goal
 
In a vacuum, kicking a field goal with 3 seconds instead of going for a touchdown against an FSU team that was unlikely to score more than 17 was the smart move. I was okay with that.

What ****ed me off was the massive waste of time on the final drive that essentially forced us to have to settle for a field goal because we ran out of time. If you’re not concerned with FSU’s ability to score, you don’t need to worry about not giving them a last second possession. Score your touchdown and if FSU gets the ball back with .30 on the clock, so be it. Mario was too concerned with making sure we had the last possible possession of the half and that’s why we got stuck kicking a field goal


Your second paragraph is key.

I already posted about all the time we wasted in the last 2 minutes, as well as the stupid timeout we took during a penalty clock-stoppage.

But you describe another bad decision, which is "why are we so obsessed about running the clock to 0.00 when they have not proven they can move the ball, let alone move it with less than a minute on the clock?" We completely shut them down in the first half except for a fluke botched fourth down play where they were trying to draw us offsides, and never intended to snap the ball.

Both offensively and defensively, we made the wrong calls in the last two minutes of the first half. Period.

All the debate about "3 points vs. 7 points" is pointless. Focus on the clock mismanagement.
 
In a vacuum, kicking a field goal with 3 seconds instead of going for a touchdown against an FSU team that was unlikely to score more than 17 was the smart move. I was okay with that.

What ****ed me off was the massive waste of time on the final drive that essentially forced us to have to settle for a field goal because we ran out of time. If you’re not concerned with FSU’s ability to score, you don’t need to worry about not giving them a last second possession. Score your touchdown and if FSU gets the ball back with .30 on the clock, so be it. Mario was too concerned with making sure we had the last possible possession of the half and that’s why we got stuck kicking a field goal

The clock management at the end of the half stunk. We got the last possession with 6:36 on the clock and 3 timeouts, and had to kick a field goal on 2nd down because we ran out of time. Awful.

So yes, I agree with you 100%. The final decision was the right one. But we shouldn't have had to make that decision. We should have been scoring a TD well before there was 2 seconds left in the half.
 
My rules for going for it are a bit different & depend on field position.

But in terms of scoring territory and deciding whether FG or TD, I go by maximizing the gap in potential possessions.

If the FG does not extend the possession gap (for example, being up by three or four), I wouldn't kick.

If it does: kick the FG.
If I have the clear time / situation to get 10 I'll take the FG and work to the TD.
 
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The clock management at the end of the half stunk. We got the last possession with 6:36 on the clock and 3 timeouts, and had to kick a field goal on 2nd down because we ran out of time. Awful.

So yes, I agree with you 100%. The final decision was the right one. But we shouldn't have had to make that decision. We should have been scoring a TD well before there was 2 seconds left in the half.


Your first paragraph also nails it. We had 6:36 and FOUR timeouts (including the 2-minute timeout) and we were left holding our ****s with 3 seconds to go in the half.

Awful. Unacceptable. Shameful.

With our two comebacks, we got ****y that we really know how to control the clock. It's not that easy.



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"Pushing an agenda"....you hit the nail on the head. What sticks out to me most is although I'm sure it's always happened to some extent, announcers even 10-15 years ago were much more professional/unbiased. Now in this me me me era they all wanna make their mark and get talked about and call the games how they want others to see them.

I know it's always been us against the world, but my concern is this is becoming less and less of an even playing field. We're out there playing against the refs and having the announcers paint our games in a bad light, tilting people's opinions against the program (even if slightly). Makes it harder to win games and recruit when you're being cheated by the refs while the announcers slowly and steadily discount and discredit your team on every close or questionable situation.
It's tiresome how often and obvious media is at this point. The problem isn't so much that members of the media do it. It's the media in itself has a vested interest against not just us but anyone that doesn't have affiliation to their agendas. For instance the sec. With it being owned essentially by ABC by Disney , by ESPN etc those are two of the the main media markets for sports. How does anyone believe they're not going to flood the nation with a particular agenda that best represents their product? The ACC doesn't have the support of anyone. Taking it a step further the University of Miami and the ACC have an even more distant chasm. That's a lot of accumulated members of the media who don't have much reason to speak positively about our product...
 
had no issues w marios decision making this game or even this season really. hes been really good so far.

the announcers want to hate miami so bad bc they dont feel like were worthy. doesnt matter, just win.
 
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