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I don't think I've seen Winston take any serious heat all season....I wanna see his Jersey dirtier than a mudslide. I'm not saying hurt him, but he has to suffer for leaving the pocket.
 
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don't want to see a slower (than McCord and quan) chick chasing Winston around and letting him roll out and beat the pressure and make plays downfield. want quan and McCord coming at him and taking him down.
 
I don't think UF defense is better than FSU's defense, and although the stats below favor you 5XNC, you also have to take into consideration that FSU has play 4 games with their 2nd team defense in the second half so it skews the numbers:

Rank Team G Plays YDS Yds/Play Off TDs Opp TDs YPG
4 Florida 7 412 1912 4.64 11 12 273.1
8 Florida St. 7 481 2026 4.21 11 11 289.4

Take for instance the how many more plays FSU has had on defense and their yards per play is lower. They have a slight lead in Opp Tds and the yards per game is indicative of them being up so much at half that the defense doesn't have to play. You remember how many garbage yards SSU and FAU had on us once we put the scrubs in. **** even GT tack on some meaningless yards at the end. FSU has a much better Turnover Margin than Florida, they have more sacks, more INTs, and more tackles for loss.

Both defenses are very good, so lets not discount that, but the only thing UF beats FSU in is yards per game. So I have to give FSU the edge as the better defense.

5XNC said:
I think we take shots down field b/c they feel they can play us to stop the run and dare morris to beat them.

I think uf's defense is the best defense we will face.
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you can't just look at stats and say that.
i'm not looking at stats. uf has played tougher competition. that front 4 of uf (when we played them) is better than fsu's front 4. the lbs may be a wash, and I think uf's secondary was/is better.

all around, forget stats, I think uf's defense is/was a better defense.
 
theibisrules said:
I don't think I've seen Winston take any serious heat all season....I wanna see his Jersey dirtier than a mudslide. I'm not saying hurt him, but he has to suffer for leaving the pocket.
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I think people are really underestimating the emotion and intensity we are going to see from our team. Go and rewatch the UiF game if you need to.

Not saying that's enough to win, but I would toss out the Wake Forest game when I'm analyzing this match-up.
 
oh, I don't care if we hurt him with a legal hit or sack. knock him out of the game. whatever. if you don't think defensive players are trying to hurt rbs or wrs or qbs when they have the ball, you haven't played fb.
 
5XNC said:
oh, I don't care if we hurt him with a legal hit or sack. knock him out of the game. whatever. if you don't think defensive players are trying to hurt rbs or wrs or qbs when they have the ball, you haven't played fb.
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IE. every time duke has touched the ball this season...that tackle in the wake game almost caused me to cry and break my TV
 
on defense we should win big or lose big - none of this 9 yards off the ball crap - none of this covering the slot with a linebacker - send 5 or 6 on every snap, regardless of what FSU is doing

they'll beat us a few times, but they'll also make a few mistakes

but I don't have much faith in our approach
 
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who said intentionally? nobody said that. I said with legal hits and sacks. if you don't think guys are trying to bury the ball carrier and inflict pain with each hit, you are mistaken.
northflacane, I agree with bringing 5 or so on every down. give him time, he will beat us, make him get the ball off in 4-5 secs, maybe we get a couple pics.
 
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5XNC said:
who said intentionally? nobody said that. I said with legal hits and sacks. if you don't think guys are trying to bury the ball carrier and inflict pain with each hit, you are mistaken.
northflacane, I agree with bringing 5 or so on every down. give him time, he will beat us, make him get the ball off in 4-5 secs, maybe we get a couple pics.
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Exactly.

Think back to the FSU game last year. We were out-gunned but we WON the physical battle many times. There was always something a little extra on our defensive hits.

Now put that with some of the beasts we have forged in the off season. We got something for em.
 
Major keys to this game are the red zone and turnovers. We have to win both of those areas huge. We have to score TD's in the red zone and limit them to FG's. We can't turn it over and we need a couple from them. There is NOTHING we have seen to suggest that this team will do anything but crush us between the 20s. We have to win the back ends of that to stay near them.
 
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penn, agreed. like I said, we are gonna an int or 2. we are gonna need points of turnovers. a special teams td.
 
AUcane said:
3FW said:
It's all about Morris, he plays well we have a chance. He doesn't it doesn't matter what else happens. I don't think they will load the box. They are going to go in thinking they can beat us straight up, and won't take any risks to stop either our running or passing games. That may change if we are able to run on them. We will likely hve to pass to open the run in this game. If we can't do that, it's going to be a long day.
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Disagree somewhat. We don't need Morris to have a 20-26, 285, 2-0 type of game. We just need him to be efficient and not throw INTs. I'll go so far to say that if he doesn't throw any INTs, we win. He could throw for 165 yards but as long as he doesn't throw INTs, we win.

Our key is our OL. They have to dominate both in rushing and passing. We do that and we win.
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Morris is going to have to give, way more than he did vs Wake in order to win. At some point this season he is going to have to be the guy. That carries us to a win. FSU DL/defense is far superior than anything we have seen, outside of UF. Also FSU has an offense that our defense hasn't even come close to seeing thus far. Would be nice, but it is doubtful that our defense comes up with 5 TO to save the game. If Morris has another lifeless game.

This is the game Morris either lives up to the hype that some have bestowed upon him, or he ***** the bed per the norm. FSU staff has seen what everyone else has seen from Morris this year, and they are going to force him to beat them with one on one coverage. It will be there all day for the taking. He is just going to have to deal with the pressure they send his way.
 
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I hear ya NateDogg and I posted to 5XNC why I thought FSU was a better defense, so I'll just copy and paste my response to him here:

I don't think UF defense is better than FSU's defense, and although the stats below favor you 5XNC, you also have to take into consideration that FSU has play 4 games with their 2nd team defense in the second half so it skews the numbers:

Rank Team G Plays YDS Yds/Play Off TDs Opp TDs YPG
4 Florida 7 412 1912 4.64 11 12 273.1
8 Florida St. 7 481 2026 4.21 11 11 289.4

Take for instance the how many more plays FSU has had on defense and their yards per play is lower. They have a slight lead in Opp Tds and the yards per game is indicative of them being up so much at half that the defense doesn't have to play. You remember how many garbage yards SSU and FAU had on us once we put the scrubs in. **** even GT tack on some meaningless yards at the end. FSU has a much better Turnover Margin than Florida, they have more sacks, more INTs, and more tackles for loss.

Both defenses are very good, so lets not discount that, but the only thing UF beats FSU in is yards per game. So I have to give FSU the edge as the better defense.

Granted, 5XNC is not going by stats but just how the talent matches up for both teams. I think they are more comparable to each other though.

We might not see things the same way but I think we can agree that its going to be a tough defense regardless of whether its better or worse than UF. It will be of the top 2 maybe 3 if u include VT we will play this year. I can adjust my rationale to fit those scenarios no doubt.

NateDogg said:
stat1124 said:
Their defense has had to load the box all season. I don't think they will start off loading up against us either. If that happens I think it will be product of an adjustment if our running game gets off to a good start. I hear everyone talking bout we have to take shots down the field. I on the other hand disagree. I think this game is all about Check Downs, Runs after Catch, Power Running and clock management. There is no need for us to be risky and greedy in the beginning. Their D is the best that we will face. We have to slow them down and wear them out. Take quick shots down the field will only do two things for us which both hurt us. Leaves us susceptible for an INT, or we score fast putting their offense on the field without giving our defense time to recup and adjust. Recipe for disaster against a team this good. We HAVE to control that clock and keep the ball away from Famous Aaaaanusss!

Oh and for Defense....hit Famous **** every opportunity we have. Before he releases the ball, after he releases the ball. He needs to hear footsteps every play. I don't care how we choose to get it done. Just make sure there is someone in his face at all times. He has shown that he can still throw an accurate pass in the face of a blitz but seldom does he ever get hit or rocked after throwing said pass. That has to change in this game. I'll take a few yellow flags to welcome him to the rivalry!
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i respectfully disagree...the florida defense we faced was better than FSU def
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OBLIVION said:
AUcane said:
3FW said:
It's all about Morris, he plays well we have a chance. He doesn't it doesn't matter what else happens. I don't think they will load the box. They are going to go in thinking they can beat us straight up, and won't take any risks to stop either our running or passing games. That may change if we are able to run on them. We will likely hve to pass to open the run in this game. If we can't do that, it's going to be a long day.
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Disagree somewhat. We don't need Morris to have a 20-26, 285, 2-0 type of game. We just need him to be efficient and not throw INTs. I'll go so far to say that if he doesn't throw any INTs, we win. He could throw for 165 yards but as long as he doesn't throw INTs, we win.

Our key is our OL. They have to dominate both in rushing and passing. We do that and we win.
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Morris is going to have to give, way more than he did vs Wake in order to win. At some point this season he is going to have to be the guy. That carries us to a win. FSU DL/defense is far superior than anything we have seen, outside of UF. Also FSU has an offense that our defense hasn't even come close to seeing thus far. Would be nice, but it is doubtful that our defense comes up with 5 TO to save the game. If Morris has another lifeless game.

This is the game Morris either lives up to the hype that some have bestowed upon him, or he ****s the bed per the norm. FSU staff has seen what everyone else has seen from Morris this year, and they are going to force him to beat them with one on one coverage. It will be there all day for the taking. He is just going to have to deal with the pressure they send his way.
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I agree with all of the above.

I will say that I believe this is the third hardest overall defense we will play this year. UF (without the injuries) and VT are better IMO but not by much.

That UF DL wow! That was intense.
 
If we constanly blitz Winston, the game will be over by halftime. But if Coach D occasionally wants to blitz, hopefully its something exotic and not just sending Perryman up the middle. Their *****made QB is top-five in the nation in comp%, ypa, td's against 5 or more rushers this season. Like OP said, if we can't get pressure with our front four, just don't send them.
 
I think uf's players on d that we faced are better/stronger/faster than the players we will face at fsu. I think uf's front 4 is much better. fsu's d hasn't sat for the 2nd half of every game. uf's is playing the whole game against the sec.
 
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