Just rewatched game....

[RaiseCane]

So Fisch has a QB that can't read the defense and misses easy plays throw the ball 43 times?

Yeah, **** Fisch

If FSU was stacking the box what should he do?

you just keep running.. and keep running.. you know, because that shows our commitment to the run game.. running into 8 man boxes is how you succeed as an offense.

Actually, I think in this situation there was no reason to stop running the ball. People are making it sound like we were losing yards with the running game. Our RBs averaged a little more than 3 yds per carry on 16 carries. Certainly not impressive, but also not worth giving up on, especially in a close game, especially with Morris struggling, and especially with a defense that we know isn't stout enough to hold FSU for 4 quarters. With a good but not great back in MJ and and explosive, but injured and smaller back in Duke, I'm not suggesting we're going to be a great running team. But to give up on the run like we did put our entire team in a tough position.

 

[arizonacane]

Kevin Olsen will be our starting QB in 2013.

 

[SmokeyRone]

I don't know about Morris "struggling". He seemed to play like he always does, unless the once in his career NCSU game is the standard.

Slow thinking, slow running, bad throws and no sense of down and yardage. The Mummy.

 

[TallyCane]

Also i noticed on D that we would drop shayon green into coverage. Can anybody tell me why we drop him into coverage

 

[GhostofVenice01]

GUISE WE WERENT GETTING 15 YARDS A CARRY SO THE RUNNING GAME DOESNT WORK GUISE

 

[Notsince1985]

Kevin Olsen will be our starting QB in 2013.

As a true freshman? No, he won't. Morris will start next year, and Olsen will have a shot to win the job in 2014 as either a redshirt freshman or a true sophomore.

 

[CaneDaddy]

So Fisch has a QB that can't read the defense and misses easy plays throw the ball 43 times?

Yeah, **** Fisch

If FSU was stacking the box what should he do?

you just keep running.. and keep running.. you know, because that shows our commitment to the run game.. running into 8 man boxes is how you succeed as an offense.

Actually, I think in this situation there was no reason to stop running the ball. People are making it sound like we were losing yards with the running game. Our RBs averaged a little more than 3 yds per carry on 16 carries. Certainly not impressive, but also not worth giving up on, especially in a close game, especially with Morris struggling, and especially with a defense that we know isn't stout enough to hold FSU for 4 quarters. With a good but not great back in MJ and and explosive, but injured and smaller back in Duke, I'm not suggesting we're going to be a great running team. But to give up on the run like we did put our entire team in a tough position.

I definitely think we should have ran more on a few select occasions (3rd and 2, goaline). However, when a team is giving you man to man on the outside with no help over the top on 1st or 2nd down, then you check out. You let your receivers make the plays. Unfortunately Morris was off and we dropped a couple.

 

[DeadPoets]

I miss the days when QBs were given more freedom at the LOS (audibles, check offs, reads, etc).
College sports have become overly micromanaged by coaches and assistant coaches alike. Watch the end of a basketball game.

Watch any CFB game and see QBs/WRs/RBs look to sideline before each play.

 

[RBhurricane87]

This was definitely a case of "Whoever plays less ******, wins".

As bad as FSU looked, we looked worse.

 

[DeadPoets]

Also i noticed on D that we would drop shayon green into coverage. Can anybody tell me why we drop him into coverage

To cover?

 

[k9cane]

Its a chicken or egg debate as it relates to Fisch and the running game, but the thing is, to be a good running team not only do you have to establish the run, but you have to be willing to keep chipping away early on( even when it's tough sledding) and then eventually you break things open late in games as you continue to hit people and wear them down. Versus good squads, you're simply not going to rip off 10 yards a pop from the start

It's like being a great body puncher( think Julio Cesar Chavez Sr in his prime), yeah, he loses the early rounds but the championship stages, he's worn you out. It's the same philosophy in terms of pounding the run. Where Fisch has a dilemma- along with every other OC- is that there is a fine line in being committed to the run and being stubborn( if you don't have much success).

But if you look at most good days on the ground, there is a certain commitment to it. It's not like teams that run for 200-plus yards do it on less than 25 carries. Much of the time, it comes from a residual effect that isn't always seen early on in ballgames

 

[Dandycane]

I miss the days when QBs were given more freedom at the LOS (audibles, check offs, reads, etc).
College sports have become overly micromanaged by coaches and assistant coaches alike. Watch the end of a basketball game.

Watch any CFB game and see QBs/WRs/RBs look to sideline before each play.

Agree totally. Way too much micromanaging.

 

[GhostofVenice01]

Its a chicken or egg debate as it relates to Fisch and the running game, but the thing is, to be a good running team not only do you have to establish the run, but you have to be willing to keep chipping away early on( even when it's tough sledding) and then eventually you break things open late in games as you continue to hit people and wear them down. Versus good squads, you're simply not going to rip off 10 yards a pop from the start

It's like being a great body puncher( think Julio Cesar Chavez Sr in his prime), yeah, he loses the early rounds but the championship stages, he's worn you out. It's the same philosophy in terms of pounding the run. Where Fisch has a dilemma- along with every other OC- is that there is a fine line in being committed to the run and being stubborn( if you don't have much success).

But if you look at most good days on the ground, there is a certain commitment to it. It's not like teams that run for 200-plus yards do it on less than 25 carries. Much of the time, it comes from a residual effect that isn't always seen early on in ballgames

This

You dont see the effects of a running game until the 2nd half


Fisch gets 1 or 2 TFLs and completely abandons it

 

[McGahee2TheHouse]

Its a chicken or egg debate as it relates to Fisch and the running game, but the thing is, to be a good running team not only do you have to establish the run, but you have to be willing to keep chipping away early on( even when it's tough sledding) and then eventually you break things open late in games as you continue to hit people and wear them down. Versus good squads, you're simply not going to rip off 10 yards a pop from the start

It's like being a great body puncher( think Julio Cesar Chavez Sr in his prime), yeah, he loses the early rounds but the championship stages, he's worn you out. It's the same philosophy in terms of pounding the run. Where Fisch has a dilemma- along with every other OC- is that there is a fine line in being committed to the run and being stubborn( if you don't have much success).

But if you look at most good days on the ground, there is a certain commitment to it. It's not like teams that run for 200-plus yards do it on less than 25 carries. Much of the time, it comes from a residual effect that isn't always seen early on in ballgames

This

You dont see the effects of a running game until the 2nd half


Fisch gets 1 or 2 TFLs and completely abandons it

It's no use to try to talk to most of these people on here about basic football concepts.

 

[Bigtip]

Also i noticed on D that we would drop shayon green into coverage. Can anybody tell me why we drop him into coverage

To cover?

I think they had him out there to play a zone but come up in run support. teams have been picking up huge chunks running at us when we drop 8. he was dropping into coverage but provided good run support (compared to a smaller LB for example)

 

[gbryant]

Its a chicken or egg debate as it relates to Fisch and the running game, but the thing is, to be a good running team not only do you have to establish the run, but you have to be willing to keep chipping away early on( even when it's tough sledding) and then eventually you break things open late in games as you continue to hit people and wear them down. Versus good squads, you're simply not going to rip off 10 yards a pop from the start

It's like being a great body puncher( think Julio Cesar Chavez Sr in his prime), yeah, he loses the early rounds but the championship stages, he's worn you out. It's the same philosophy in terms of pounding the run. Where Fisch has a dilemma- along with every other OC- is that there is a fine line in being committed to the run and being stubborn( if you don't have much success).

But if you look at most good days on the ground, there is a certain commitment to it. It's not like teams that run for 200-plus yards do it on less than 25 carries. Much of the time, it comes from a residual effect that isn't always seen early on in ballgames

This works when u have great defenses. I honestly believe if we would have stayed committed to the run morris is not good on 3rd downs. Bottom line Morris has to find the open man. He is terrible at reading defenses. It's almost like he has already picked the reciever he is going to throw to before the ball is snapped.
Fisch probably could call some more run plays, but Stephen morris has to learn how to go through his progressions and stop leaving the pocket when all he has to do is step up. This kid has been horrible. If he cant go deep then he is not effective cause he cant read defenses.

 

[RaiseCane]

Its a chicken or egg debate as it relates to Fisch and the running game, but the thing is, to be a good running team not only do you have to establish the run, but you have to be willing to keep chipping away early on( even when it's tough sledding) and then eventually you break things open late in games as you continue to hit people and wear them down. Versus good squads, you're simply not going to rip off 10 yards a pop from the start

It's like being a great body puncher( think Julio Cesar Chavez Sr in his prime), yeah, he loses the early rounds but the championship stages, he's worn you out. It's the same philosophy in terms of pounding the run. Where Fisch has a dilemma- along with every other OC- is that there is a fine line in being committed to the run and being stubborn( if you don't have much success).

But if you look at most good days on the ground, there is a certain commitment to it. It's not like teams that run for 200-plus yards do it on less than 25 carries. Much of the time, it comes from a residual effect that isn't always seen early on in ballgames

Exactly, I completely agree. It can be frustrating when you see a team try to run the ball when they're losing yards play after play. But, that's not what happened in this game. We were getting a few yards on most of our carries, but we made no commitment to sticking with it. I was not blown away by FSU's defense, and I think that had we stuck with the run, we would have had a much better chance. I'm not suggesting that we should have run the ball 30 times in the first half, but if you told me that our RBs would have 16 carries in the entire game, I would have told you that we were going to lose. This was a close game, and there was no reason to give up on the run. Mike James may not be an explosive back, but he's been solid for us all season. He had 7 carries. Our passing game is not efficient enough to rely on to keep our offense on the field, and Morris was particularly inefficient in this game. Fisch has a tendency to get away from the running game, even when it seems like it's making a difference.

 

[k9cane]

And that's another variable, you're right, you need a stout defense that can keep you in the game as you pound the run. Let's face it, Florida doesn't keep doing what they accomplished vs LSU without a great D that kept them in the game, as they kept the ball on the ground for all of the second half.

Miami, doesn't have that caliber of D

Its a chicken or egg debate as it relates to Fisch and the running game, but the thing is, to be a good running team not only do you have to establish the run, but you have to be willing to keep chipping away early on( even when it's tough sledding) and then eventually you break things open late in games as you continue to hit people and wear them down. Versus good squads, you're simply not going to rip off 10 yards a pop from the start

It's like being a great body puncher( think Julio Cesar Chavez Sr in his prime), yeah, he loses the early rounds but the championship stages, he's worn you out. It's the same philosophy in terms of pounding the run. Where Fisch has a dilemma- along with every other OC- is that there is a fine line in being committed to the run and being stubborn( if you don't have much success).

But if you look at most good days on the ground, there is a certain commitment to it. It's not like teams that run for 200-plus yards do it on less than 25 carries. Much of the time, it comes from a residual effect that isn't always seen early on in ballgames

This works when u have great defenses. I honestly believe if we would have stayed committed to the run morris is not good on 3rd downs. Bottom line Morris has to find the open man. He is terrible at reading defenses. It's almost like he has already picked the reciever he is going to throw to before the ball is snapped.
Fisch probably could call some more run plays, but Stephen morris has to learn how to go through his progressions and stop leaving the pocket when all he has to do is step up. This kid has been horrible. If he cant go deep then he is not effective cause he cant read defenses.

 

[weownfsu]

So Fisch has a QB that can't read the defense and misses easy plays throw the ball 43 times?

Yeah, **** Fisch

If FSU was stacking the box what should he do?

Plenty of teams run the ball regardless of the situation.

How about this "U TOUGH" team mans up and punishes FSU, or is that just more meaningless rhetoric from the staff?

 

[Consigliere]

Kevin Olsen will be our starting QB in 2013.

I highly doubt it, Morris will be starting unless injured and that is a good thing.

Watch this kid, let him finish the season before we throw him out with the baby's bathwater.