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Astcloud, then that is a staff or program problem, not a commitment problem.

Also the commitment just popped up on ESPN's ticker. That is exactly the kind of publicity your program wants. Another reason you take the commitment, even if it really means nothing.
 
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rustywalkedaway said:
Korey Foreman is the number one recruit for 2021. He just committed to Clemson after their junior day. According to several in this thread Clemson should not have taken that commit.

Right.

Also, I think that gives them something like 3 or 4 number one overall recruits in a row. Apparently it can work to take such commitments. You just have to also be good enough to keep them. That is the distinction several seem to not understand.
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Miami has had 7 decommitments from the 2021 class already, with a few more on the way. It's January.
Clemson has had like 1 decommitment in the last 5 years. They've also been in the CFP every year and. Terrible comparison.

My take on mitigating this issue:
1. Don't take kids before summer unless they are ready to shut things down.
2. Don't take kids just because they did well at a camp or a practice, only to drop them 6 months later.
3. Back up the offseason hype with play on the field.
 
PGrady24 said:
Miami has had 7 decommitments from the 2021 class already, with a few more on the way. It's January.
Clemson has had like 1 decommitment in the last 5 years. They've also been in the CFP every year and. Terrible comparison.

My take on mitigating this issue:
1. Don't take kids before summer unless they are ready to shut things down.
2. Don't take kids just because they did well at a camp or a practice, only to drop them 6 months later.
3. Back up the offseason hype with play on the field.
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Follow your own "logic". If Clemson takes early commitments, and they have "had like 1 decommitment in the last 5 years", then the problem is not taking commitments, it is keeping them. That, then, is a staff or program issue, not a "taking commitments" issue. That was the original discussion.

This is actually pretty simple and I'm done now.
 
rustywalkedaway said:
Yep, they chase dudes who offer a 6-7 record and finished third in a division of a weak conference. That makes you, what, a 4 or 5, maybe a 3? No matter what that screams alpha male, right? You are the slightly doughy balding guy in the recruiting bar, the one living in your patent's basement. I bet you slay that ****.

STRONG argument on your end.
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Clearly, your life has been spent begging others for *** (pud rubs), invitations, acceptance, and inclusion.

2021 recruits will be signing AFTER this season is said and done. We win - many will come. We crap the bed again - no amount of begging will bring them in.

Either way - you don't beg - you show genuine interest.

You fire non-performing coaches and hire coaches that know their butts from a hole in the ground.
 
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UMFarArcher said:
90/100 - are NOT commits.

They're kids that appreciate entering the grocery store - before the shopping begins.
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Thats cool fam you dont turn down kids commitments even if only 70% of the stay committed. Comon

Win games and dont look like a joke on the field and you will keep most your commitments. Not accepting commitments isnt smart.
 
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UMFarArcher said:
Clearly, your life has been spent begging others for *** (pud rubs), invitations, acceptance, and inclusion.

2021 recruits will be signing AFTER this season is said and done. We win - many will come. We crap the bed again - no amount of begging will bring them in.

Either way - you don't beg - you show genuine interest.

You fire non-performing coaches and hire coaches that know their butts from a hole in the ground.
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You posted here more than 12,000 times. OK, I get it, you are clearly an expert on begging for acceptance and inclusion. I defer.
 
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I don’t see how you turn down commits and don’t take them. My hope is that it is done with parents present at the meeting/commit, explaining what UM expects and what the kid/family expects from UM.
Example: kid and parents say they want to commit. Manny asks what’s that mean to the family. Family says no more visits etc. cool. Commit.

it also means the staff is quicker to the game to realize when a kid is looking around and in turn starts recruiting other kids at that position.
 
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dedostheibis said:
Thats cool fam you dont turn down kids commitments even if only 70% of the stay committed. Comon

Win games and dont look like a joke on the field and you will keep most your commitments. Not accepting commitments isnt smart.
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That's exactly what I'm saying - win games, and we'll get the recruits we really want and need.

You can start accepting commits nearer the signing period - and not a year in advance.
 
rustywalkedaway said:
You posted here more than 12,000 times. OK, I get it, you are an expert on begging for acceptance and inclusion. I defer.
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I never gave a happy **it for acceptance, approval, or inclusion.

Only 3% - 5% of us who started our elite journey completed it. I know something about what it takes - and popularity, or inclusion has nothing to do with success in building a team with a documented 150:1 win ratio.

You actively and consistently recruit those who meet your standards - those who excel at leadership and performing - you encourage them, but to take a kid's "committment" a year or even two in advance - does neither of you any favors.

We don't have bagmen worth crap - and a seventeen year old is not exactly understanding of what a real committment is - as clearly evidenced by a committment, and multiple top ten lists that vary from month to month.

Someone has to be the adult.
 
dedostheibis said:
Lmfao @ saying no to commitments
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You newer fans don’t get it. You think Miami is a toilet program with nothing going for us so you’re willing to get toyed with and **** on by 17 year olds.

We need to set a tone here. Clemson doesn’t have decommits because they’ve made their offer valuable. And isn’t valuable only because they win. It’s also valuable because if you accept the offer there are conditions tied to it such as not taking visits elsewhere or “keeping things open” after committing.

I’ve got no problem with accepting an early commitment, but the kid needs to understand what the word “commitment” means. Explain clearly to him that if he commits he needs to shut it down, and if he’s not ready to shut it down, then he’s not really ready to “commit” because commitment, by its definition, means you’re entering an exclusive relationship.

Explain that we will keep his offer open and continue to recruit him hard until he is either ready to make a real solid commitment or someone else is. That’s it.
 
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The Franchise said:
You newer fans don’t get it. You think Miami is a toilet program with nothing going for us so you’re willing to get toyed with and **** on by 17 year olds.

We need to set a tone here. Clemson doesn’t have decommits because they’ve made their offer valuable. And isn’t valuable only because they win. It’s also valuable because if you accept the offer there are conditions tied to it such as not taking visits elsewhere or “keeping things open” after committing.

I’ve got no problem with accepting an early commitment, but the kid needs to understand what the word “commitment” means. Explain clearly to him that if he commits he needs to shut it down, and if he’s not ready to shut it down, then he’s not really ready to “commit” because commitment, by its definition, means you’re entering an exclusive relationship.

Explain that we will keep his offer open and continue to recruit him hard until he is either ready to make a real solid commitment or someone else is. That’s it.
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Im not new but yeah im good with that but i believe correct me if im wrong that is the rule now that you cant take visits

Anyway may i add maybe telling a kid like the one who just commited to us woth only 3 offers from us and Tennessee that we are going keep it silent so these kids arent building clout off our name.

When you break it down like you did i have no issue then
 
rustywalkedaway said:
Korey Foreman is the number one recruit for 2021. He just committed to Clemson after their junior day. According to several in this thread Clemson should not have taken that commit.

Right.

Also, I think that gives them something like 3 or 4 number one overall recruits in a row. Apparently it can work to take such commitments. You just have to also be good enough to keep them. That is the distinction several seem to not understand.
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The difference is the kids who committed to Clemson this weekend have already visited 2-3-4 times. They've been on campus last spring, for summer camp and for a game last fall already. And had their full families present this past weekend. It's the only way Dabo lets them commit.
 
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The Franchise said:
I’ve got no problem with accepting an early commitment, but the kid needs to understand what the word “commitment” means. Explain clearly to him that if he commits he needs to shut it down, and if he’s not ready to shut it down, then he’s not really ready to “commit” because commitment, by its definition, means you’re entering an exclusive relationship.

Explain that we will keep his offer open and continue to recruit him hard until he is either ready to make a real solid commitment or someone else is. That’s it.
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Agreed. Many people are looking at this as a binary proposition where UM can only: 1) accept the early commitment, or 2) decline the early commitment. The approach should be more nuanced.

UM absolutely needs to set an expectation for its commits. Publicly committed recruits should be expected not to take visits to other schools (unofficial or official). They should be expected not to be posting about other schools being a "dream offer," nor should they beg for offers from other programs (and especially rivals). Absent a legitimate scheduling issue, emergency, or financial constraints, they should be expected to attend 7v7 camps at UM, Paradise, the December OV date for the UM commits, and other "invite-only" UM events for commits. If they don't do that, we won't hold their spot and will internally consider them "uncommitted" and actively recruit another player. Same treatment if they don't sign in the early signing period. A savvy, straight-forward coach who is a capable recruiter should be able to explain the expectation to these young men without getting them so upset they look elsewhere or having them completely ignore him and cvck UM.

I do agree with what some have said about not taking the very early commits. As a general cut-off, I would like for us to stop accepting commitments from kids who haven't finished their junior football season (at the earliest). It just feels way too early.
 
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The Franchise said:
Gotta switch it up. Only idiots keep repeating the same **** and getting the same terrible results. No more January commits at camps.

Keep showing them love and recruiting them, but don’t be so desperate for these early commits that always flip and make us look like a joke.
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You and @Liberty City El are right, of course. But at the same time, Clemson is accepting commitments right now. And we all know, once those kids commit, they are done.

I'm more on the "damned if you do, damned if you don't" side on this. No matter what we do, we're screwed.

I also agree 1,000% that, if we win, the recruits will want to come and the problem solves itself. Unfortunately, that whole winning thing has proven to be the hard part. Bottom line, if Manny had gone out and won 9-10 games this year, like he should have, we wouldn't be having this conversation.

In recruiting these days, you have to be VERY picky. Unfortunately, being 6-7 and 13-13 over the past two years means we are in no position to be picky. There really isn't a right answer as to how to pick up a supermodel when you look like Chris Farley, unless you have either a ton of money or are as funny as Chris Farley. We don't have bags (at least not to match clem$on and the $EC), and our act just ain't funny anymore.
 
No_Fly_Zone said:
Agreed. Many people are looking at this as a binary proposition where UM can only: 1) accept the early commitment, or 2) decline the early commitment. The approach should be more nuanced.

UM absolutely needs to set an expectation for its commits. Publicly committed recruits should be expected not to take visits to other schools (unofficial or official). They should be expected not to be posting about other schools being a "dream offer," nor should they beg for offers from other programs (and especially rivals). Absent a legitimate scheduling issue, emergency, or financial constraints, they should be expected to attend 7v7 camps at UM, Paradise, the December OV date for the UM commits, and other "invite-only" UM events for commits. If they don't do that, we won't hold their spot and will internally consider them "uncommitted" and actively recruit another player. Same treatment if they don't sign in the early signing period. A savvy, straight-forward coach who is a capable recruiter should be able to explain the expectation these young men without getting them so upset they look elsewhere or having them completely ignore him and cvck UM.

I do agree with what some have said about not taking the very early commits. As a general cut-off, I would like for us to stop accepting commitments from kids who haven't finished their junior football season (at the earliest). It just feels way too early.
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Exactly. We need a boss at HC who can lay out what he expects from commits and what he won’t accept. If guys aren’t willing to honor reasonable terms, then they’re not ready to be committed. It’s pretty simple.

Most of the guys on here think UM needs to be the cuck in the relationship, and we don’t. We just need to communicate everything openly and directly. Put some respeck back on this name.
 
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