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Liberty City El said:
You just say no.

Any kid that commits to Miami early is on decommit watch the second they make the announcement.

For this class in particular I think we should go late on everybody, because over the past 4 years all we've done is get early commits then have to hang on for dear life, then once the season rolls around & we start losing to teams we have no business we end up losing a bunch of prospects & remain the laughing stock on the recruiting trail.

We should win games first & show on the field that we're not a joke & that we can actually win. It gives us a stronger product to sell, at this point it's just all hype hopes & dreams, we should let the kids do what they do, not accept any early commits, win as many games as possible then when crootin' season comes around give them something to really think about IF we're actually having a good season.

It honestly doesn't matter when you recruit players, if you're winning & showing on the field what you are you can show up as late as you want & they'll hop on the bandwagon.

Taking early commits only puts pressure on the player to wanna decommit after they start taking visits elsewhere, so let them visit everywhere else as much as possible, don't bring them on campus all the time, just fall back & focus on winning. If we win trust me, they'll all come running to wanna join us.
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I like this idea... 15 years of taking early commits gotta switch up the strategy
 
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grover said:
Agree to the sentiment. But I’d pull that forward to April now that early signing is so big a deal. Also I stick by the truism that a local kid who doesn’t commit by September is 9 out of 10 times not coming. The perfect commit period for me is between May and August. Jan is way too early though.

How do you say no if a top talent says he wants in at this point?
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Yep, I would definitely say summer is when I'd start to take commitments so we don't necessarily alienate kids who want in yet protect ourselves.
 
rustywalkedaway said:
No, you don't just say no. That is just bull**** posturing. I understand the decommits and the basic stupidity of this, but you can't say no to the elite kids now.

So many of these recruits take about the "early love" and that may be bull**** in the end, but they will absolutely remember the school that wouldn't even take their commitment, and other schools will use that to negatively recruit.

It is a stupid game, but you have to play the game. Even when it is often a waste of time. Some schools can really be picky and put the onus on the recruit (see Clemson right now, and Alabama over the last few years). Miami is in a position where we have to prove it to recruits, not the other way around.
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You know you don't have to say no. Just let them know that as you give them offers, invites to Jr days and camps that as a school you won't take commits til September. The coaches continue recruiting the **** out of them "showing love" doesn't have to stop
 
grover said:
Agree to the sentiment. But I’d pull that forward to April now that early signing is so big a deal. Also I stick by the truism that a local kid who doesn’t commit by September is 9 out of 10 times not coming. The perfect commit period for me is between May and August. Jan is way too early though.

How do you say no if a top talent says he wants in at this point?
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Then I think you tell the young man not to make it public until August.
 
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Liberty City El said:
If an elite kid commits to Miami early, he's going to decommit 100%, so it honestly doesn't matter anyway.

But if you guys wanna keep doing the same thing & expecting different results be my guest lol.
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I respect what you bring to the board, and I said the entire early commitment thing was stupid, but you take the commitment even though your school is likely screwed either way.

You take it and they decommit. You look stupid and soft.
You take it and they stay, but you probably go through a bunch of drama to keep it.

In reality you take it, cross your fingers, and see what happens. As to your 100% guarantee? I don't see 100% outcomes many places in life.

A 6-7 program, that just finished 3rd in its freaking division, in maybe the weakest power 5 conference, is not in a position to tell any elite recruit it won't take his commitment unless there is something really problematic. As I said, Miami is in the "prove it" role now.
 
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LCE, I get what you're saying. But would you have told Hammet to wait then? Kid looks all Cane, and telling him not to announce seems like it would be counterproductive.

A kid like Francois, yeah, I see that. But you gotta accept Chaney's verbal whenever he wants to give it. Or Big Baby in this class, for example.
 
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Liberty City El said:
You just say no.

Any kid that commits to Miami early is on decommit watch the second they make the announcement.

For this class in particular I think we should go late on everybody, because over the past 4 years all we've done is get early commits then have to hang on for dear life, then once the season rolls around & we start losing to teams we have no business we end up losing a bunch of prospects & remain the laughing stock on the recruiting trail.

We should win games first & show on the field that we're not a joke & that we can actually win. It gives us a stronger product to sell, at this point it's just all hype hopes & dreams, we should let the kids do what they do, not accept any early commits, win as many games as possible then when crootin' season comes around give them something to really think about IF we're actually having a good season.

It honestly doesn't matter when you recruit players, if you're winning & showing on the field what you are you can show up as late as you want & they'll hop on the bandwagon.

Taking early commits only puts pressure on the player to wanna decommit after they start taking visits elsewhere, so let them visit everywhere else as much as possible, don't bring them on campus all the time, just fall back & focus on winning. If we win trust me, they'll all come running to wanna join us.
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Stay in liberty city and let other people handle recruiting. The idea of say no to commits is borderline stupid
 
grover said:
LCE, I get what you're saying. But would you have told Hammet to wait then? Kid looks all Cane, and telling him not to announce seems like it would be counterproductive.

A kid like Francois, yeah, I see that. But you gotta accept Chaney's verbal whenever he wants to give it. Or Big Baby in this class, for example.
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One other point. It goes the other way, too. We accepted "commitments" from Mathis, Riggins and Branch. But when we cooled on them, no one was strongly against dropping them for other options. ... I don't know, it just seems more complicated than drawing a line in the sand. This is where great recruiters separate themselves, and we don't really have an elite recruiter on staff.
 
Liberty City El said:
If an elite kid commits to Miami early, he's going to decommit 100%, so it honestly doesn't matter anyway.

But if you guys wanna keep doing the same thing & expecting different results be my guest lol.
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I think they could get away with your approach if they put a spin on it. Tell all the kids that they give offers to we dont accept commits until April XXXX what ever day they pick. You would then take the pressure off the staff and also let the kids know we're not shunning them we're just setting this as the date when all kids may commit.
 
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Liberty City El said:
You just say no.

Any kid that commits to Miami early is on decommit watch the second they make the announcement.

For this class in particular I think we should go late on everybody, because over the past 4 years all we've done is get early commits then have to hang on for dear life, then once the season rolls around & we start losing to teams we have no business we end up losing a bunch of prospects & remain the laughing stock on the recruiting trail.

We should win games first & show on the field that we're not a joke & that we can actually win. It gives us a stronger product to sell, at this point it's just all hype hopes & dreams, we should let the kids do what they do, not accept any early commits, win as many games as possible then when crootin' season comes around give them something to really think about IF we're actually having a good season.

It honestly doesn't matter when you recruit players, if you're winning & showing on the field what you are you can show up as late as you want & they'll hop on the bandwagon.

Taking early commits only puts pressure on the player to wanna decommit after they start taking visits elsewhere, so let them visit everywhere else as much as possible, don't bring them on campus all the time, just fall back & focus on winning. If we win trust me, they'll all come running to wanna join us.
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I totally agree
 
Stefan Adams said:
2021 Miami OL commit Laurence Seymore just showed up to Battle 7v7 wearing a Miami shirt after his Junior Day visit
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5 years ago, I'd be stoked about seeing this. The harsh realities of recruiting have subsided any excitement for recruits whom are more than 6+ months away from signing.
 
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grover said:
How do you say no if a top talent says he wants in at this point?
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Easy by saying no lol. The coaches should let everyone know from the beginning no commitment is needed and you should do your research and we will follow up with you later.
 
grover said:
LCE, I get what you're saying. But would you have told Hammet to wait then? Kid looks all Cane, and telling him not to announce seems like it would be counterproductive.

A kid like Francois, yeah, I see that. But you gotta accept Chaney's verbal whenever he wants to give it. Or Big Baby in this class, for example.
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I’ll make the exception if they say aren’t taking anymore visits. How can a recruit insist they are committed but will take other visits? It would be obvious then UM will be a placeholder.
 
If they agree to shut down the recruitment process and be an ambassador type you take the commit

If they commit dropping the "miami is my dream school 100% committed but still going to take my 5 visits" ****, then no you dont take it.
 
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