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Josh Pate take on Mario

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252cane said:
What is the expectation at miami? Program has been bad for what 22-23 years?
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The problem is all of the examples that show in today's CFB world it doesn't take 3,5,7+ years to turn a football program around. Especially with NIL and unlimited transfers.

Mario told you the day he came in there was a standard. Are you saying it doesn't apply to him? I'm sure he will be one of the 1st people to say 5 and 7 wins are a failure at Miami.
 
kanin81 said:
My biggest problem with Mario is he makes really bad in-game coaching decisions and some of them are pretty basic moves like TAKE A KNEE. The defense last year was terrible and he never made any real strategic or personal adjustments. You can blame Guidry all you want but it's your team and you make the ultimate call.
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Unfortunately, there was no magic bullet for the defense last season. It wasn't good, and the injuries in the back end compounded the lack of talent already. Bain was never quite Bain after the hamstring, and that didn't help.

The 2 safeties were about as bad as you will see at tackling at the college level. There was nothing they could do with that group.

I saw the same DC the year before field a competent defense as he had 4 veteran pretty talented DB's.

The main coaching issue was not being able to address the concern, and/or overestimating what you had prior to the season. That certainly was not the case this offseason.
 
JamesQuall said:
The problem is all of the examples that show in today's CFB world it doesn't take 3,5,7+ years to turn a football program around. Especially with NIL and unlimited transfers.

Mario told you the day he came in there was a standard. Are you saying it doesn't apply to him? I'm sure he will be one of the 1st people to say 5 and 7 wins are a failure at Miami.
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Of course 5 and 7 wins ain’t it but at the same time I think it was a standard here that has to be restablished. Show me a team that has turned things around quick using the portal. Fsu tried it and look where they at now. Msu tried it and had 1 good year. Usc been trying it. You don’t build a team through the portal for substained success
 
gacaneaddict said:
Unfortunately, there was no magic bullet for the defense last season. It wasn't good, and the injuries in the back end compounded the lack of talent already. Bain was never quite Bain after the hamstring, and that didn't help.

The 2 safeties were about as bad as you will see at tackling at the college level. There was nothing they could do with that group.

I saw the same DC the year before field a competent defense as he had 4 veteran pretty talented DB's.

The main coaching issue was not being able to address the concern, and/or overestimating what you had prior to the season. That certainly was not the case this offseason.
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The issues were called out here while changes could be made: DL help and DBs and once the season came, that was our doom. Also running the same trio out there getting picked on between LB, S and CB was just insanity.
 
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252cane said:
Of course 5 and 7 wins ain’t it but at the same time I think it was a standard here that has to be restablished. Show me a team that has turned things around quick using the portal. Fsu tried it and look where they at now. Msu tried it and had 1 good year. Usc been trying it. You don’t build a team through the portal for substained success
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Miami turned it around using the portal. The key players on the 10 win season were portal guys and Manny players primarily…
 
252cane said:
I respect that and I agree but that hasn’t been easy for this program. Only 2 10 win seasons since 03 and only 5 9 win seasons since then
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I 💯 agree with you. It is why I bring it up. It went from rallying cry to excuse from one coach to the next.

Oregon also had many successful seasons in the decade prior to Mario, so the lore that he resurrected them is overrated. Improved from the bad season or two before him, yes, “built them” - nah.
 
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Angry Ibis said:
The expectation between Richt and Mario was 10, so 10. Not 5, Not 7.

And 2025 -- 10, not 9. 10.
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The mistake almost every coach since 2001 has made is believing that they can just come here and “fix it”.

The problem is that the more time that passed, the more there was to fix.

Too many examples of other coaches that people said were awesome or good football minds that went somewhere else and haven’t done sht.

Jimbo won a natty with Mr Magoo at fsu.
Is he better than Mario? Where is he coaching now?

Lane has been scoring points in his sleep. Ole miss opened up the check book. Great campus. Great college town. Booster base willing to spend.
And……….no ring


Tennessee has been spending money since Butch Jones.

Michigan was spending money for like a decade with Harbaugh and even sent the team to Europe. But dude still had to cheat to get one.

But Mario takes a knee and he’s the worst coach and will never win.
 
pacusmc said:
The mistake almost every coach since 2001 has made is believing that they can just come here and “fix it”.

The problem is that the more time that passed, the more there was to fix.

Too many examples of other coaches that people said were awesome or good football minds that went somewhere else and haven’t done sht.

Jimbo won a natty with Mr Magoo at fsu.
Is he better than Mario? Where is he coaching now?

Lane has been scoring points in his sleep. Ole miss opened up the check book. Great campus. Great college town. Booster base willing to spend.
And……….no ring


Tennessee has been spending money since Butch Jones.

Michigan was spending money for like a decade with Harbaugh and even sent the team to Europe. But dude still had to cheat to get one.

But Mario takes a knee and he’s the worst coach and will never win.
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Twice. And the concern about winning is he loses games his team should not, tends to be slow to adapt and shows very little for a feel for the game live in game... (with the closest thing we have had to our Mr. Magoo, we lost to GT, blew a 21-0 lead against Cuse and lost to Iowa State)

Agreed - it is hard to hire the right coach at a program to get them across the line -- which shows that the believe that only 1 person could do it at Miami -- is just absurd.

Winning is hard. That has never been an excuse before.
 
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Angry Ibis said:
Right. The rest of these arguments are just us all rehashing the last 3 years.

Odd that Pate is talking about it... Who is feeding it for him to defend the shield 👀
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It's not out of the blue. Pate has been doing a series on various coaches - he's done Kiffin, Riley, Venables and a few others.

This wasn't an exclusive to Cristobal report.
 
Angry Ibis said:
Twice. And the concern about winning is he loses games his team should not, tends to be slow to adapt and shows very little for a feel for the game live in game... (with the closest thing we have had to our Mr. Magoo, we lost to GT, blew a 21-0 lead against Cuse and lost to Iowa State)

Agreed - it is hard to hire the right coach at a program to get them across the line -- which shows that the believe that only 1 person could do it at Miami -- is just absurd.

Winning is hard. That has never been an excuse before.
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I understand. I also don’t agree that Mario is the only coach that could do it.

But at the very least you have to agree that coaching down here is a very different animal.

No stadium, everyone and their mama bashing you.
Local coaches and elite recruits not paying any attention to you.
A booster base that appeared to have lost just as much hope as the local 5 stars.

Everything you do meets some ridiculous double standard that is held against us.

Miami was not a turnkey operation. Mario isn’t the only coach that can win. Miami has won with 3 different coaches.
But each one needed someone before him to get the ball rolling.

Mario may just be the right coach at the right time in order to get this back on track. Will he actually win? obviously still remains to be seen.
 
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