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crossover22[]_[] said:
Im asking. Whos fault would that be if its something in the contract?

That would be wild especially since it seems as if gattis was not marios first choice.
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It’s on the lawyers and/or the business decision maker in the Administration who’s in charge of this area, I assume the AD.

People need to stop desperately trying to link every aspect of a failed situation to Mario. Like I said, his failure was choosing the guy not the contract.
 
RVACane said:
It’s on the lawyers and/or the business decision maker in the Administration who’s in charge of this area, I assume the AD.

People need to stop desperately trying to link every aspect of a failed situation to Mario. Like I said, his failure was choosing the guy not the contract.
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Lawyers always taking the blame, which may be fair too, but at the point in the deal, Mario’s choice may have had them over a barrel…. Which appears to be partly the case…

Just end it and don’t fail next hire(s)…
 
Da Jumbo Mutombo said:
Thats interesting bc cribby doesn't speak like that. Cribby is a vet and doesn't typically speak aggressively as if he is 100% right and nothing can go wrong.

But, if you know for a fact, I digress. I dont really care. I just find it funny.
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Yes. I know for a fact from very recent dm conversations with said poster what his views on this are.
 
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RVACane said:
Who knows what clauses were regrettably included in the contract. Someone raised earlier whether he needed to be able to get a comparable job as a requirement of the contract. I’m not saying it’s in there but if it is then we can’t just fire him. He could sue us for reputation and career damage potentially. We don’t know what’s going on but it’s been stated in here that it’s more than simply paying a buyout.
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If Miami agreed to a contract that said we had to let him find a job before firing him, their stupidity knows no bounds. And suing us for firing him over bad performance? If we were this worried about litigation and had followed this process with golden , he would have been our coach years longer until the end of his contract. He was fired mid season though
 
Da Jumbo Mutombo said:
Thats interesting bc cribby doesn't speak like that. Cribby is a vet and doesn't typically speak aggressively as if he is 100% right and nothing can go wrong.

But, if you know for a fact, I digress. I dont really care. I just find it funny.
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I’ve never went at anybody for doubting me , it rarely happens these days but even back in the beginning I refrained from that. I only go rogue when I’m trolled by weirdos like my very own stalker in this thread , who leaves me book sized pm’s like a lunatic. He’s so stupid he thinks these comments in here are about me.

Am I sensitive to trolls calling me a fake insider after years of proving myself? You **** right I am . I’ve hung my nuts on the chopping block too many times and my rep matters to me. At his point if you’re trying to discredit me you must be a troll and I will always retaliate.

My only wish is people would not throw around terms like “ insiders “ , it’s too vague and tbh it lumps everyone in together. Say names if you must call somebody out , even if it’s me.
 
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Angry Ibis said:
Lawyers always taking the blame, which may be fair too, but at the point in the deal, Mario’s choice may have had them over a barrel…. Which appears to be partly the case…

Just end it and don’t fail next hire(s)…
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Nope. Mario is the coach not the drafter and determiner of contract terms. And It’s not necessarily just the lawyers, as there’s a business decision element on the part of the Administration as well.

I swear, the mopes who are so foam at the mouth ready to blame every aspect of every fail on Mario are showing their own limitations.
 
RVACane said:
It’s on the lawyers and/or the business decision maker in the Administration who’s in charge of this area, I assume the AD.

People need to stop desperately trying to link every aspect of a failed situation to Mario. Like I said, his failure was choosing the guy not the contract.
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That exactly why i was asking. I dont know how much say head coaches have with contracts.
 
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RVACane said:
Who knows what clauses were regrettably included in the contract. Someone raised earlier whether he needed to be able to get a comparable job as a requirement of the contract. I’m not saying it’s in there but if it is then we can’t just fire him. He could sue us for reputation and career damage potentially. We don’t know what’s going on but it’s been stated in here that it’s more than simply paying a buyout.
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he can?
 
wnycanesfan said:
The "Justin Herbert" nonense is not that he was the QB but that Arroyo and Mario did not develop him and held him back.
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They held him back without question. I don’t even know how that’s really debatable…He wasn’t even all conference his senior year, but then steps up to the NFL and wins ROY, breaks the rookie TD record and then was an all pro the next year.
 
RVACane said:
Nope. Mario is the coach not the drafter and determiner of contract terms. And It’s not necessarily just the lawyers, as there’s a business decision element on the part of the Administration as well.

I swear, the mopes who are so foam at the mouth ready to blame every aspect of every fail on Mario are showing their own limitations.
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It was a ****** choice and apparently a **** agreement. Not worth arguing the semantics of which pile of **** is causing the stench…

I’m ok with posters picking on Mario for the same reasons the “insiders” discussion is happening… posters told other posters they were ******** for questioning Mario at the beginning and this is the ebb and flow of it…

It’s CIS zen really… Keep Calm and CIS..
 
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RVACane said:
It’s on the lawyers and/or the business decision maker in the Administration who’s in charge of this area, I assume the AD.

People need to stop desperately trying to link every aspect of a failed situation to Mario. Like I said, his failure was choosing the guy not the contract.
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Exactly. I get it that there are issues with Marios first year here, but some seem to be desperate to make EVERYTHING his fault. If lightning struck the football facilities and burned them down I have no doubt some of those on here would try to blame Mario.
 
crossover22[]_[] said:
Im asking. Whos fault would that be if its something in the contract?

That would be wild especially since it seems as if gattis was not marios first choice.
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Contract negotiations are all about leverage. So what leverage do you think Gattis had when negotiating his contract?
 
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Miami[]_[]Smoke said:
Yeah Because having a future top 10 pick and NFL ROY who breaks rookie TD records and throws for 69 TD’s his first two years is irrelevant nonsense. Qbs like that are a dime a dozen…

That said, I wouldn’t call him a disaster but we should shoot higher than that…
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You can fill a book with QBs who put up bigger stats in the NFL than they did in college.

It's the role of a head coach to win games, not to make the #6 overall pick a #1 overall pick by letting him throw deep on every play.

The reality is that Herbert had 3 different head coaches and 3 different OC/Co-OC combinations over his first three years. He could have gone pro after his third year, but he had the confidence in Cristobal and Arroyo to come back in 2019. Oregon won more games every single year that Herbert was there, including winning the Pac 12 and Rose Bowl in his final year. Herbet was so well-prepared for the NFL that he was the NFL Offensive Rookie of the Year.

And most importantly, I've never heard Herbert complain about anything that Cristobal or Arroyo asked of him, and I've never heard him say that he was misused or limited at Oregon.

So if Herbert is fine with how Oregon prepared him for the NFL, why are there stats nerds arguing about whether he could have had "more yardage" at Oregon? And who cares? OREGON WON. Coaches are supposed to win games, not maximize one particular player's draft position at the expense of everyone and everything else.
 
MadCane said:
Contract negotiations are all about leverage. So what leverage do you think Gattis had when negotiating his contract?
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Clock was ticking ... Mario struck out on his first choices and needed an OC and there was "The Broyles Award Winner". So ... his agent might have included a clause regarding "similar position required" for early dismissal? No idea.
 
Miami[]_[]Smoke said:
They held him back without question. I don’t even know how that’s really debatable…He wasn’t even all conference his senior year, but then steps up to the NFL and wins ROY, breaks the rookie TD record and then was an all pro the next year.
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JHerbo should’ve been all conference his senior year, he was robbed. They gave it to Huntley who had a bit better completion %, but Herbo threw for 13 more touchdowns and only 2 more INTs than him.

Not sure why people keep regurgitating the idea that Herbo was held back when he threw for 3,400 yards and 32 touchdowns with just 6 INTs.

In 2019, his senior year he had:
11th most TD passes
19th most yards
14th best completion %

For comparison, Trevor Lawrence only had 1 better season than those numbers and it was better by 200 yards and 2 touchdowns….
 
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