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Miami[]_[]Smoke said:
Gattis’ employment at Miami shouldn’t be contingent on what other jobs he can land or what other teams want to hire him. To give Mario a break because it “hasn’t worked out” is laughable since he has the power to make it happen, he’s just not using it.
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"Gattis’ employment at Miami shouldn’t be contingent on what other jobs he can land or what other teams want to hire him"

it isn't
 
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wspcane said:
Then that is even more concerning. But realistically, with the amount we are paying assistants, go find that next guy at a lower level. That is partly what Zo's value add is. I also wonder how resistant Gattis is to bringing on an analyst like what Michigan did for him. Which after last year, should be a non-starter for next season if he wants to stick around.
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Interesting thought because if true, Alonzo's people/connection is to the NFL which just wrapped up Sunday. That could theoretically have slowed down the hiring process (more so if they are looking at folks on playoff teams).
 
CanesNation26 said:
Yeah but it probably won’t.

Also, waiting for a guy who can probably get another HC job is dumb. Totally stupid. There were tons of other OC candidates just as good as Kliff, but now they’re off the market. No need to put all the eggs in one basket.
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I don’t disagree with anything you say but couldn't the same be said about GR at Clemson? How many years can Dabo really expect him to stick around before he gets a head job?
 
AlexCane said:
I am playing devil's advocate to my own position in this thread, but anyways, let's assume that's true. If he has in fact made the decision to walk away from Gattis and find someone else, then why does he feel compelled to keep it so secret from the media/fans? I'm not sure what he gains from that, unless there's some contractual stuff we're not privy to.
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I don't understand the point of him still being here. Right now the speculation of Grattis coming back is worse than the speculation of who could be the next OC. At least a vacancy confirms that there will be change.
 
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AlexCane said:
Interesting thought because if true, Alonzo's people/connection is to the NFL which just wrapped up Sunday. That could theoretically have slowed down the hiring process (more so if they are looking at folks on playoff teams).
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But it is to college too. He was a scout, so a lot of what he had to do was speak to coaches in every corner, division, and conference to identify players and do due diligence on them. In theory, his rolodex should be throughout both the NFL and college ranks.
 
Torocane said:
I don't understand the point of him still being here. Right now the speculation of Grattis coming back is worse than the speculation of who could be the next OC. At least a vacancy confirms that there will be change.
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Not really though. Assume he's told the team and if we believe what a poster said earlier, that recruits are being told the same thing. Then the potential of Gattis returning really only hurts us posters carrying a pitchfork around.
 
RVACane said:
Last year I thought it was taking so long because he was being selective and over-thinking things. I have long-since realized that he probably doesn’t have a lot of OC options with top guys because they don’t or didn’t want his forced staff and they want the independence to run a system they feel they can succeed with which he doesn’t want. If he wants ground and pound, why would Kendall Briles or anyone like that agree? Saban changed. If Mario won’t change similarly then he’ll go the unsuccessful way of the other failed corches we’ve had here.
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This is exactly where I'm at.

Best case (as far as why there's been such a delay) is he's been waiting for an NFL coach's season to end. But we burned through that excuse last year, only to end up with Gattis.

Worst case is he ends up circling back to Arroyo. Not because Arroyo is a bad level coach. That's another debate all together. But because that would mean he's likely missed on other targets, and taken all this time just to fall back on familiarity.

Even some of the NFL names concern me. I've seen Spencer Whipple's name tossed around a few times. I'll probably take **** for this, but I don't think he would be a good hire right now. This isn't the same "he's never called plays" as Dorsey's version. Whipple's only on field experience is as a position coach at UMass. His time in the NFL did not end well. He may end up being the man in the future. But coming off of Gattis I think we need an OC with a track record.

But then again.. beggars can't be choosers. So..
 
AlexCane said:
Not really though. Assume he's told the team and if we believe what a poster said earlier, that recruits are being told the same thing. Then the potential of Gattis returning really only hurts us posters carrying a pitchfork around.
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I'm not sure recruits are being told that. Vering accounts on that.
 
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Here's the question, if you're an employer or a business owner. Would you rather help someone who you're firing find a new job or fire abruptly with no plan on the next step for them? I think it's fair to criticize Mario and I know he's slow moving and somewhat disorganized... But if his rationale is to help the guy land on his feet and make it seem like a mutual parting of ways, I think that shows a level of integrity we should respect.
 
Torocane said:
I can understand how some of those are viewed as negative. Having said that I can't see how this one "He's demanding, especially in recruiting" could ever be seen as a negative.
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You don't understand why some coaches wouldn't want to work for a recruiting maniac who has extremely high standards when it comes to recruiting? Some coaches want to move their way up to the NFL and don't care about trying to recruit their a$$es off to high school kids and their families. They'd rather spend time with family or friends or have some work life balance instead of messaging kids all day long and over the holidays

Coaches are people too lmao. Think about how much you'd like working 100 hours a week and having MariBro breathing down your neck for not wishing the recruits step-brother a happy birthday (exaggerating there but you get the point they're real people like you and me. Working with especially demanding bosses particularly in someone's least favorite aspect of the job is not desireable to qualified candidates)
 
JD4 said:
You don't understand why some coaches wouldn't want to work for a recruiting maniac who has extremely high standards when it comes to recruiting? Some coaches want to move their way up to the NFL and don't care about trying to recruit their a$$es off to high school kids and their families. They'd rather spend time with family or friends or have some work life balance instead of messaging kids all day long and over the holidays

Coaches are people too lmao. Think about how much you'd like working 100 hours a week and having MariBro breathing down your neck for not wishing the recruits step-brother a happy birthday (exaggerating there but you get the point they're real people like you and me. Working with especially demanding bosses particularly in someone's least favorite aspect of the job is not desireable to qualified candidates)
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I guess you don't want top 5 classes
 
gocanes2022 said:
Here's the question, if you're an employer or a business owner. Would you rather help someone who you're firing find a new job or fire abruptly with no plan on the next step for them? I think it's fair to criticize Mario and I know he's slow moving and somewhat disorganized... But if his rationale is to help the guy land on his feet and make it seem like a mutual parting of ways, I think that shows a level of integrity we should respect.
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For us normal folks, yes. But dude has made a few million as a coach; not to mention the buyout he'd receive. Unless he's reckless with his money, I think he'll be fine.
 
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gocanes2022 said:
Here's the question, if you're an employer or a business owner. Would you rather help someone who you're firing find a new job or fire abruptly with no plan on the next step for them? I think it's fair to criticize Mario and I know he's slow moving and somewhat disorganized... But if his rationale is to help the guy land on his feet and make it seem like a mutual parting of ways, I think that shows a level of integrity we should respect.
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But this is a different world. Coaches get fired and hired all the time. Movement is natural and understood. Mario doesn't owe a fired employee anything. If he wants to be a good guy, he can put in a good word but the idea that Mario is coddling Gattis so he can find a new gig, to the detriment of all sorts of other things, isn't likely.
 
Torocane said:
I guess you don't want top 5 classes
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I do thats the best thing about Mario. I might have misunderstood what your original point was, I thought you meant from the perspective of a potential coaching candidate, why would they view working for an extremely demanding recruiter be viewed as a negative.

I think though that Mario handles recruiting extremely well and with our NIL advantage if we had competent/bada$$ X's & O's guys like a Riley/Mullen, we'd be recruiting really well and Mario as a beast recruiter would be able to pick up slack from a coordinator that isn't as good in that area.

Not a lot of guys are good enough to sell a 5-7 program AND be the elite playcallers/schemers.
 
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Zombie-Cane said:
How Dare You Greta GIF
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She aint cute no mo.


 
When Bama fires BOB and hires a new OC and we lose our **** again, are people going to start hoping that we hire BOB who failed at Bama?
 
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