Joe Salave’a

[JAYBLAZE]

I REMEMBER THESE TIMES…GREAT GAMES AND THE LOVE ON THE SIDELINES…..Cherished moments in time

 

[KANE]

Shocking a coach is bringing most of his staff to his next gig. But we have people griping 247 that it hasn’t been announced lol. There’s always some drama for some of you guys.

I said on the CL show expect more Oregon staff members to come. Other than Oc, Dc and maybe a few more spots the Miami staff will be the former Oregon staff.

Exactly!

 

[Juancane]

Response:
- I think your perception is fair. We have been made to believe that we have a massive budget.
- What makes an elite coaching assassin in college football? This is a whole separate conversation. We would agree, however, that recruiting ability and coaching ability are the two major factors
- What's to say that guys like Partridge, etc. aren't interested? They might make public comments, but we never really know the truth until actions are taken. Maybe Mario sees Salave'a as the number one target.
- We don't know if he's bringing the whole Oregon staff at this point. To be fair, some dudes on that staff are **** good coaches. We also need at least some continuity. We need some recruiting continuity; we need some coaching continuity. How much is necessary? I don't know.
- You make all reasonable points.
- I'm getting antsy too--I want my Canes to be great again! In reality, the most I can do is continue my passion of the team and renew my season tickets.

Merry Christmas!

I’m also not certain why the expectation seems to be hiring someone new to mario at every role as if he was going to feel his old staff was ****. Every coach takes some position coaches with him And keep a few from old staff. Then you spend $$ on the main coordinators or some elite recruiters. We aren’t Bama money wise and Mario isn’t Nick yet so we aren’t getting ex nfl coaches on the rehab tour coaching the OL. As long as all of them are good recruiters and considered at the top end of their specialization that works for me.

 

[TooColdToHold]

U have to recruit under Mario and that should be expected of all coaches. If u do half your job f off my team.....cfb the name of the game is talent. I'm happy to see Simpson go and he got a pass by this fan base alot I don't know why.

Urban Meyer said he would never hire a coach who wasn’t an outstanding recruiter, no matter how good he was at X’s and O’s.

 

[canesmang1]

Urban Meyer said he would never hire a coach who wasn’t an outstanding recruiter, no matter how good he was at X’s and O’s.

And then you realize Mullen was his Oc and remember urban is always full of ****

 

[TooColdToHold]

And then you realize Mullen was his O and remember urban is always full of ****

Good point.

 

[The U is back to work]

The part about the staff that is interesting to me is that as fans we heard $8m budget and assume we will just pick the 10 most elite names and that’ll be it. Mario has to have comfort knowing his coaches will be doing their jobs and as such will fill half the staff with names he’s most comfortable with.

What we do know is that our OL and DB hires seemingly will be elite in Mirabal and TRob. If Chance is brought in as CB coach then that again is a very strong hire.

On the DL Salave’a seems to have everything we need to make sure the DL is playing with energy and technique, I think this would be another strong hire. I agree having a DE coach would be nice but because Mario doesn’t call plays we will run out of positions quickly if we double up with coaches in the secondary and the DL.

Finally, go check the coaching staff rosters of the even just the playoff teams - you’ll see that every team including Bama has 3-4 coaches that could have assumed they could have done better with bigger names. I trust Mario will build a staff that can help him to win the Coastal year in and year out which is what we need at this point to get back on track as a program.

What I am most curious about outside of the OC/DC hire is the support staff behind the scenes as we know UM hasn’t had much outside of Shoop recently and we need to become a place where strong football minds in between jobs come to refine their crafts also.

 

[BS85]

I like the rumored staff outside the Mastro guy, as long as they're not overpaid just because there is sufficient money. I'm only anxious/excited about the coordinators.

 

[WeBallinBoyz]

My take:

We’ve been lead to believe we were:
- paying top dollar for assistants
- assembling an elite staff of coaching assassins
- Mario was fielding endless interest from the best of the best

NOT:
- he’s bringing the Oregon staff with him

Multiple things can be true at the same time, and there could be some excellent hires from the Oregon staff with the OC and DC being the ones he MUST hit on (seems like Mario is bringing a collection of both, and clearly not the OC/DC who none of us wanted anyway)

I find it funny that people are getting antsy with people getting antsy….. because it is exactly what @Brooklyndee warned everyone about saying to let it play out because listing a bunch of rumored names was only going to lead to disappointment when all the big names or ideas thrown out didn’t assemble like Mario created the Avengers….

Reality: let it play out and enjoy the holidays…

Perfectly stated. There are coaches from Oregon's staff that are absolutely monumental upgrades here; conversely, there are coaches rumored to be coming that do not align with the university's aforementioned, monumental staff budget. The most money in the ACC for a coaching staff, and we're just going to settle and bring a majority of coaches over from another regime? Sounds all too familiar.

Hopefully my words aren't misconstrued; I think Salvae'a, Mirabal, and one of Chance or Williams are fantastic hires. BMac is very good but not a home run, and (allegedly) with Maestro, we can do much better. In regards to non-Oregon holdovers, that ST coach from Louisiana Tech + the rumored UF linebackers coach shouldn't both be on-field coaches here (again, circling back to our budget) but that's my opinion.

Now on the complete flip side - if we hire Briles as OC and Schumann as DC, I don't give a flying f^ck who the rest of the coaches are, because we are going scorched earth on the ACC.

 

[Hegemon]

Man just stop it. Everything is Social Media fault now a days. ***** been going on before Social Media was even thought of. . .

No it has not.

Go chew on some bark and send yourself.

 

[EmCane]

No one wants to take responsibility for anything. It's such a boomer cliché.

Or a manifestation of millennial entitlement.

 

[grover]

Someone mentioned each of our last 3 DL were better than Salave'a. I disagree. Kul was a good coach but expected the players to be professionals so wouldn't push them. And he hated recruiting. Stroud was a high energy guy, a players coach, but wasn't great at either recruiting or coaching. Not sure how much players respected him enough to push themselves in training. Simpson ... man, I thought Simpson would be "that guy". But he was a bust in recruiting, and wasn't hard enough on the players to drive them to be there best.

None were bad coaches. But none recruited well. Culture across the line was not intense and gritty enough.

Salave'a is Mario's guy, and will be a relentless recruiter like Mario. So we know we're getting a talent increase. He also defines intensity, so we know our guys will put in the work. I haven't gone back to watch Oregon film to tell how good he is developmentally and schematically as a coach. But the fact he's getting 3 stars into the top rankings of the Pac 10 suggests he's at least good at it.

So for me -- top talent, great preparation and culture, at least adequate development is a big step up.

 

[Paranos]

@Paranos @Coach Macho @gogeta4 @DMoney - do you guys agree with this relative to who QP named as better? 2nd tier?

I mean Larry Johnson - whatever - he’s the platinum standard I assume - but the rest?

I like Salave'a alot going back to his Wash St days, he had those boys playing out of their minds they were one of the best units in the nation for sacks and TFL's. He brings a blue collar approach to coaching and recruiting.

Hands down he is definitely a Top 5 or 10 dline coaching college football over the last decade.

Go Canes

 

[supersaiyanshel]

How many d-line coaches out there has had dominate d-lines? There isn’t many. This guy is a good coach. He had a 1st team all American at Washington st. And other all conference guys. Had 2 d-linemen make 1st team all pac-12 and his NT was honorable mention with oregon this season. He did a good job with jordon Scott who was a 3 from largo. And all these guys are 3 star players except Thibodeaux. No coaching staff is going to be filled with just big name guys no matter how much money you got

Not many to your first question,, which is kinda part of my point. We don't want the regular. We want the rare and special.

How many teams playing for championships are doing so without dominant DLs? Could you name Meeechigans DL coach or Cincinatti's off the top of your head (you probably could, bc you're an OG ) Or Utahs ? They don't have to be a big name and not what I'm advocating.

Do we want to be good, or great? Do we want to be great,, or elite? JS's entire body of work screams Tier 2, bend-dont-break style. Willie overpaid for him.

You talking his work w 3 stars, well look at what someone like Partridge is doing w that same level of talent. There's no comparison. (And yes, I know CP ain't coming, just using the example).

As you said, this guy is a good coach. I never once said he was a bad coach. But our last 3 DL coaches were good too and more productive, and nobody would say we couldn't do better than any of those guys.

Would love -- and hope -- I'm wrong. Nothing personal. I just want to see us win the way I know we should and can. We shall see.

 

[Rickd]

Someone mentioned each of our last 3 DL were better than Salave'a. I disagree. Kul was a good coach but expected the players to be professionals so wouldn't push them. And he hated recruiting. Stroud was a high energy guy, a players coach, but wasn't great at either recruiting or coaching. Not sure how much players respected him enough to push themselves in training. Simpson ... man, I thought Simpson would be "that guy". But he was a bust in recruiting, and wasn't hard enough on the players to drive them to be there best.

None were bad coaches. But none recruited well. Culture across the line was not intense and gritty enough.

Salave'a is Mario's guy, and will be a relentless recruiter like Mario. So we know we're getting a talent increase. He also defines intensity, so we know our guys will put in the work. I haven't gone back to watch Oregon film to tell how good he is developmentally and schematically as a coach. But the fact he's getting 3 stars into the top rankings of the Pac 10 suggests he's at least good at it.

So for me -- top talent, great preparation and culture, at least adequate development is a big step up.

The key is that Mario KNOWS how he wants his staff to work together as a team to do the best job possible at recruiting, player development, game planning and game day execution. There is a reason he has targeted the OC and DC that are "rumored" to be coming. The blend of new OC new DC, Feld, TRob and the position coaches outlined as coming from Oregon will give UM the best staff in the ACC.

 

[TheBMOC]

And then you realize Mullen was his Oc and remember urban is always full of ****

Being a good recruiter as a coordinator/position coach is entirely different from being a good recruiter as a HC. It's a different animal. Mullen, by all accounts, was an exceptional OC that was elite X's and O's and and very good at recruiting. There is a media/ narrative that Mullen is a terrible recruiter but that's just not reality. He struggled towards the end at UF for whatever reason, but his career results suggest otherwise.

In 2009 #18 ranked recruiting class at Miss State, the program's best recruiting class in years, and finished with a bunch of top 25 recruiting classes at Miss State. In 2019 and 2020 he had back-to-back top 10 classes at Florida. An elite recruiter? No, but a very good one.

 

[RVACane]

Not many to your first question,, which is kinda part of my point. We don't want the regular. We want the rare and special.

How many teams playing for championships are doing so without dominant DLs? Could you name Meeechigans DL coach or Cincinatti's off the top of your head (you probably could, bc you're an OG ) Or Utahs ? They don't have to be a big name and not what I'm advocating.

Do we want to be good, or great? Do we want to be great,, or elite? JS's entire body of work screams Tier 2, bend-dont-break style. Willie overpaid for him.

You talking his work w 3 stars, well look at what someone like Partridge is doing w that same level of talent. There's no comparison. (And yes, I know CP ain't coming, just using the example).

As you said, this guy is a good coach. I never once said he was a bad coach. But our last 3 DL coaches were good too and more productive, and nobody would say we couldn't do better than any of those guys.

Would love -- and hope -- I'm wrong. Nothing personal. I just want to see us win the way I know we should and can. We shall see.

It’s not reality. We’re not getting that level all over the place like Bama who has an OL Coach that was an NFL Head Coach and analysts who could make a top level coaching staff themselves. No one has their advantages. Not even UGA. We’ll be close to the upper echelon after that. There have been efforts made with a variety of potential coaches. This guy’s a really good addition.

 

[ageezy]

Not many to your first question,, which is kinda part of my point. We don't want the regular. We want the rare and special.

How many teams playing for championships are doing so without dominant DLs? Could you name Meeechigans DL coach or Cincinatti's off the top of your head (you probably could, bc you're an OG ) Or Utahs ? They don't have to be a big name and not what I'm advocating.

Do we want to be good, or great? Do we want to be great,, or elite? JS's entire body of work screams Tier 2, bend-dont-break style. Willie overpaid for him.

You talking his work w 3 stars, well look at what someone like Partridge is doing w that same level of talent. There's no comparison. (And yes, I know CP ain't coming, just using the example).

As you said, this guy is a good coach. I never once said he was a bad coach. But our last 3 DL coaches were good too and more productive, and nobody would say we couldn't do better than any of those guys.

Would love -- and hope -- I'm wrong. Nothing personal. I just want to see us win the way I know we should and can. We shall see.

i would love partridge, but he has to want to come ... might i add we've beat pitt 3 yrs straight, 2 at their place, recently with a heisman candidate at qb ... all that to say it's a wholistic approach, i'm confident in mario, trob, mclendon and mirabel to recruit out of their minds in the southeast and help sal close the deal recruiting wise

 

[Mackmiller974]

It all hinges on OC and DC. My only concern is this. Why, with all that money behind him at Oregon, did he not have a better OC and DC? I was not impressed with either. The positional coaches seem good, but the coordinators, where it counts most, were not.

That being said, I think he knows what he has to do at Miami. He needs to nail these hires. We saw what the O could do with TVD and Lashlee, so I just can't imagine him saying, "Yeah, I don't want to do that here."

Joe Moorehead was a pretty solid hire, I just don't think he had a QB in place to run his best offense

 

[Mackmiller974]

Shocking a coach is bringing most of his staff to his next gig. But we have people griping 247 that it hasn’t been announced lol. There’s always some drama for some of you guys.

I said on the CL show expect more Oregon staff members to come. Other than Oc, Dc and maybe a few more spots the Miami staff will be the former Oregon staff.

He just needs to hit on the OC and DC and we will be fine