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Joe Salave’a

Mackmiller974 said:
Joe Moorehead was a pretty solid hire, I just don't think he had a QB in place to run his best offense
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True, I guess. We, of all fans, should know what a bad QB can do to an OC. What can an OC call when the QB can't do much of anything right consistently?
 
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Costy21 said:
The part about the staff that is interesting to me is that as fans we heard $8m budget and assume we will just pick the 10 most elite names and that’ll be it. Mario has to have comfort knowing his coaches will be doing their jobs and as such will fill half the staff with names he’s most comfortable with.

What we do know is that our OL and DB hires seemingly will be elite in Mirabal and TRob. If Chance is brought in as CB coach then that again is a very strong hire.

On the DL Salave’a seems to have everything we need to make sure the DL is playing with energy and technique, I think this would be another strong hire. I agree having a DE coach would be nice but because Mario doesn’t call plays we will run out of positions quickly if we double up with coaches in the secondary and the DL.

Finally, go check the coaching staff rosters of the even just the playoff teams - you’ll see that every team including Bama has 3-4 coaches that could have assumed they could have done better with bigger names. I trust Mario will build a staff that can help him to win the Coastal year in and year out which is what we need at this point to get back on track as a program.

What I am most curious about outside of the OC/DC hire is the support staff behind the scenes as we know UM hasn’t had much outside of Shoop recently and we need to become a place where strong football minds in between jobs come to refine their crafts also.
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I'd be surprised if the majority of Miamis fanbase knows Bamas staff.
 
supersaiyanshel said:
Not many to your first question,, which is kinda part of my point. We don't want the regular. We want the rare and special.

How many teams playing for championships are doing so without dominant DLs? Could you name Meeechigans DL coach or Cincinatti's off the top of your head (you probably could, bc you're an OG 😁) Or Utahs ? They don't have to be a big name and not what I'm advocating.

Do we want to be good, or great? Do we want to be great,, or elite? JS's entire body of work screams Tier 2, bend-dont-break style. Willie overpaid for him.

You talking his work w 3 stars, well look at what someone like Partridge is doing w that same level of talent. There's no comparison. (And yes, I know CP ain't coming, just using the example).

As you said, this guy is a good coach. I never once said he was a bad coach. But our last 3 DL coaches were good too and more productive, and nobody would say we couldn't do better than any of those guys.

Would love -- and hope -- I'm wrong. Nothing personal. I just want to see us win the way I know we should and can. We shall see.
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Different schemes. Joe has coached a lot of 3 man fronts in defenses that wasnt maybe that aggressive. And I’m glad you mentioned Michigan d-line coach because he also happens to be polynesian. Shaun nua was coaching navy for about 5 or 6 years and then 1 year at Arizona state in 2018. He never had a dominant d-line and was hired at Michigan in 2019. Look at him since going to Michigan tho.Coaches can always be replaced. Let’s see what he can do here with upgraded talent
 
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grover said:
Someone mentioned each of our last 3 DL were better than Salave'a. I disagree. Kul was a good coach but expected the players to be professionals so wouldn't push them. And he hated recruiting. Stroud was a high energy guy, a players coach, but wasn't great at either recruiting or coaching. Not sure how much players respected him enough to push themselves in training. Simpson ... man, I thought Simpson would be "that guy". But he was a bust in recruiting, and wasn't hard enough on the players to drive them to be there best.

None were bad coaches. But none recruited well. Culture across the line was not intense and gritty enough.

Salave'a is Mario's guy, and will be a relentless recruiter like Mario. So we know we're getting a talent increase. He also defines intensity, so we know our guys will put in the work. I haven't gone back to watch Oregon film to tell how good he is developmentally and schematically as a coach. But the fact he's getting 3 stars into the top rankings of the Pac 10 suggests he's at least good at it.

So for me -- top talent, great preparation and culture, at least adequate development is a big step up.
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I agree with most of this post… I’m curious where you got this from?

The DL was the most technically sound this year then they’ve been in a long time. Remember when CIS said Mccloud should just hang it up, but then lead the team in sacks? Lol

I don’t think Jess is a crazy great recruiter anyway, but we all know what he walked into this year.
 
SBERG said:
The 60's , 70's and early 80's were the territory days.... NWA was the Major Wrestling org. recognized by most of the Southern and Southwest and Mid-Atlantic territories ... WWF controlled the Northeast and AWA controlled some of the upper midwest and Cali.... Each Territory has Champs from within but Most recognized Flair , Race, Rhoads or whoever held the NWA title as the world champ...
I grew up in the Northeast so WWF was my thing but I used to get Fla Championship Wrestling on a UHF channel so I'd watch that when I could... Later on Cable came around and I got to watch Georgia Championship Wrestling on TBS...
I think I covered most of this in the past....LOL!!!!.... I still watch wrestling now... One part of my childhood I won't let go of... :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO:
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I grew up watching Championship Wrestling from Florida at noon every Saturday. The MBCC on Wednesday nights was the place to be. I loved growing up on Miami Beach. The place literally had it all if you were into football, boxing,Wrestling,skateboarding, fishing and surfing. But my Saturdays revolved around the Canes and Championship Wrestling from Florida. Then everyone got cable and we were treated to 2 hours of Championship Wrestling from Georgia every Saturday from 6 to 8. Ahhh. Those were the days.
I stopped watching Wrestling when wwwf turned into wwf and eventually took over the game. I never got into the hulk hogan gig. His AWA days were better in my opinion. Just last night, I was scrolling through the channels after watching that glorious dumpster fire gator team get embarrassed on national TV and I stumbled upon an old taping of a TNA show and the match looked like an old ECW match. It was Raven vs what looked like Xpac but Pac was using a different name. Yo..These 2 dudes were trying some cactus jack **** in and around the ring. Raven was a bloody mess and both of those cats were sacrificing their bodies beyond belief to get over. Great match btw. Dusty made an appearance towards the end so he must have been involved as a promoter or a booker but it was an awesome match. Those guys are gonna be crippled when they get old if they already aren't. ECW took Wrestling to an insane place with that hardcore style of Wrastling. As if it wasn't brutal enough on a wrestler as it was.
 
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Can someone please explain to me what elite is?
supersaiyanshel said:
Not many to your first question,, which is kinda part of my point. We don't want the regular. We want the rare and special.

How many teams playing for championships are doing so without dominant DLs? Could you name Meeechigans DL coach or Cincinatti's off the top of your head (you probably could, bc you're an OG 😁) Or Utahs ? They don't have to be a big name and not what I'm advocating.

Do we want to be good, or great? Do we want to be great,, or elite? JS's entire body of work screams Tier 2, bend-dont-break style. Willie overpaid for him.

You talking his work w 3 stars, well look at what someone like Partridge is doing w that same level of talent. There's no comparison. (And yes, I know CP ain't coming, just using the example).

As you said, this guy is a good coach. I never once said he was a bad coach. But our last 3 DL coaches were good too and more productive, and nobody would say we couldn't do better than any of those guys.

Would love -- and hope -- I'm wrong. Nothing personal. I just want to see us win the way I know we should and can. We shall see.
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This post is confusing. So you'd be skeptical about the hiring of Joe as DL coach.

But then you go and praise Michigan's DL coach, Shaun Nua. Nothing in this guys' resume would have gotten you excited about the hire back in 2019. Obviously now it's clear to see Nua is a legit DL coach but back then there would have certainly been some question marks.
  • Navy (2012–2017)
    Defensive line coach
  • Arizona State (2018)
    Defensive line coach
  • Michigan (2019–present)
    Defensive line coach
Cincinnati DL coach, Greg Scruggs, had 0 college coaching experience prior to being promoted to DL coach in 2020. Zero.

There's a lot of selective indifference that I'm seeing with some of these posts. The guy can recruit. His Washington State DLs were very good especially with Grinch in 2016 (several all conference players there with Darryl Paulo and Destiny Vaeao).

He's about to have a potential #1 pick in Thibodeaux. Thibs, Dorlus, and Popu were all first team Pac 12. Sewell was as well and only reason he's in Oregon is because of Joe. And he also had a beast of a DL 2022 class signing prior to Mario.

I like Partridge. Originally I wanted him more than Joe. Pitt's DL produces but as far as NFL talent Partridge hasn't done much recently. And the more I think about it, the more upside I see in Big Joe. The guy singlehandedly built the Polynesian pipeline into WSU and continued that at Oregon. Interesting quotes below:

"As a coach, Salave’a developed all-conference defensive linemen such as Darryl Paulo and Destiny Vaeao, who is with the Philadelphia Eagles. He created a recruiting pipeline between WSU and American Samoa, where Salave’a was born, landing native Samoans such as Robert Barber, Shalom Luani, Vaeao and others.

Even more so than most assistant coaches, Salave’a had a paternal role for the players he recruited, many of whom were living far from home and unable to see their families for years at a time.

At various points throughout his four years at WSU, Salave’a made comments that he had a duty to shepherd those players he recruited through college and ensure they graduated. Because he is widely respected in coaching circles he had opportunities to leave, and reportedly turned down overtures from USC and Washington."

"A Leone, American Samoa, native, Salave’a has been praised for his efforts in connecting with Samoan youth. He was also integral in recruiting over a dozen Samoan players to WSU."

"At WSU, he helped to improve the Cougars’ defensive line in pass rush and rush defense. WSU finished the 2016 season ranked No. 29 nationally in run defense at 134.23 yards a game. Salave’a was due to make $400,000 at Washington State in 2017."
 
insaneinthecane said:
I grew up watching Championship Wrestling from Florida at noon every Saturday. The MBCC on Wednesday nights was the place to be. I loved growing up on Miami Beach. The place literally had it all if you were into football, boxing,Wrestling,skateboarding, fishing and surfing. But my Saturdays revolved around the Canes and Championship Wrestling from Florida. Then everyone got cable and we were treated to 2 hours of Championship Wrestling from Georgia every Saturday from 6 to 8. Ahhh. Those were the days.
I stopped watching Wrestling when wwwf turned into wwf and eventually took over the game. I never got into the hulk hogan gig. His AWA days were better in my opinion. Just last night, I was scrolling through the channels after watching that glorious dumpster fire gator team get embarrassed on national TV and I stumbled upon an old taping of a TNA show and the match looked like an old ECW match. It was Raven vs what looked like Xpac but Pac was using a different name. Yo..These 2 dudes were trying some cactus jack **** in and around the ring. Raven was a bloody mess and both of those cats were sacrificing their bodies beyond belief to get over. Great match btw. Dusty made an appearance towards the end so he must have been involved as a promoter or a booker but it was an awesome match. Those guys are gonna be crippled when they get old if they already aren't. ECW took Wrestling to an insane place with that hardcore style of Wrastling. As if it wasn't brutal enough on a wrestler as it was.
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I’ll comment on Joe later, as I lol/smh on some of these post, but I’ve been to a lot of live wrestling action, and I posted on here a clip of my uncle doing a promo for WWF, so I’ve had close interactions w/ several wrestlers.

ECW turned wrestling upside down, including Shane Douglas introducing it to the masses w/o NWA execs knowing. They did things that revolutionized wrestling; bring back yard wrestling into mainstream. My boy went to a live taping & said it was the best chit ever; fans were encouraged to riot, music blaring during matches. Lol. WWE messed up everything. When they monopolized everything, they became lazy.

I personally enjoy AEW which has re-established wrasslin. They can clean it up a bit w/ some storylines, but I like how other promotion belts can be up for grab & vise versa.
 
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I do believe if you have the spots a DE/OLB coach and a DT coach would be ideal. What Coach Kuligowski did with the DEs was so impressive but it was clear he hated recruiting. It took Saban 10 months to figure it out after he stole him.

I don’t think it’s easy to quantify what an elite DL coach does because even if you take the DL coaches under Manny’s tenure they of course look great because Manny’s whole defense is just tackles for a loss (and then missed tackles on every other play lol)

Mario has stated multiple times how important the line play is under his watch and going from Garin Justice and Jess Simpson to Alex Mirabal and Joe Salave’a is a SIGNIFICANT upgrade in my opinion.
 
Rellyrell said:
I’ll comment on Joe later, as I lol/smh on some of these post, but I’ve been to a lot of live wrestling action, and I posted on here a clip of my uncle doing a promo for WWF, so I’ve had close interactions w/ several wrestlers.

ECW turned wrestling upside down, including Shane Douglas introducing it to the masses w/o NWA execs knowing. They did things that revolutionized wrestling; bring back yard wrestling into mainstream. My boy went to a live taping & said it was the best chit ever; fans were encouraged to riot, music blaring during matches. Lol. WWE messed up everything. When they monopolized everything, they became lazy.

I personally enjoy AEW which has re-established wrasslin. They can clean it up a bit w/ some storylines, but I like how other promotion belts can be up for grab & vise versa.
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ECW was so **** entertaining. Felt like you were seeing something you shouldn't have been seeing. Those RVD vs Jerry Lynn matches were some of my favorite in that promotion.
 
TooColdToHold said:
Urban Meyer said he would never hire a coach who wasn’t an outstanding recruiter, no matter how good he was at X’s and O’s.
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If it were up to most of the board over the years we would have an x and O staff and fail. Then when they get fired they will say they weren't good at x and os not realizing they didn't have players. Then proceed to argue and say we have talent.
 
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Coach Macho said:
First of all...
How do you know this for sure?

Have you ever watched these guys coach personally? Ever sat in one of their clinics?

At the end of the day, it's a fvckin' Defensive Line coach for God's sake. DL coach is not going to make or break this program. It's Mario's guy. HC's like to bring on their guys. We don't know what additional value this guy brings. Only Mario knows that.
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Well as I said in the beginning of this I was gonna stay off of here & let y'all enjoy the process. I've stayed off but naturally convincing this crowd to sit back and simply enjoy something is absurd & other people simply disappoint me how much they need attention on here and can't simply sit back themselves. I'll say this, the people Mario has brought over from Oregon minus feld and to an extent salavea are ELITE... There's no discussion necessary behind it. Oline,rb & wr are simply ELITE hires. Salavea from my understanding became official because partridge was trying to start a bidding war between us and Pitt and Clint wanted a DC title(and honestly regardless of Clint being my brother and him being a former cane, he ain't it...) Salavea is a **** good coach but FAR MORE IMPORTANTLY his relevance to us is he keeps alive those west coast connections and even more importantly the ability to get some Tongans etc in here... There's strategy behind things that start with recruiting being what y'all usually die for. He's a **** good recruiter and he's a top 10 coach as well. I get some of y'all would like top 3 but is what it is. He'll do very well here and y'all will see he's elite compared to anything we've had quickly. Feld on the other hand I'm not crazy about. The other two coaches y'all have seen tagged in Williams and the secondary dude are support staff. So everyone calm down with the whole he's bringing everyone from Oregon (he's not) or any sub par thing cause only position coaches he's brought in from there have been elite. What really matters is the coordinator hires which I have a feeling y'all should like. I do so simply chill out.
 
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Brooklyndee said:
Well as I said in the beginning of this I was gonna stay off of here & let y'all enjoy the process. I've stayed off but naturally convincing this crowd to sit back and simply enjoy something is absurd & other people simply disappoint me how much they need attention on here and can't simply sit back themselves. I'll say this, the people Mario has brought over from Oregon minus feld and to an extent salavea are ELITE... There's no discussion necessary behind it. Oline,rb & wr are simply ELITE hires. Salavea from my understanding became official because partridge was trying to start a bidding war between us and Pitt and Clint wanted a DC title(and honestly regardless of Clint being my brother and him being a former cane, he ain't it...) Salavea is a **** good coach but FAR MORE IMPORTANTLY his relevance to us is he keeps alive those west coast connections and even more importantly the ability to get some Tongans etc in here... There's strategy behind things that start with recruiting being what y'all usually die for. He's a **** good recruiter and he's a top 10 coach as well. I get some of y'all would like top 3 but is what it is. He'll do very well here and y'all will see he's elite compared to anything we've had quickly. Feld on the other hand I'm not crazy about. The other two coaches y'all have seen tagged in Williams and the secondary dude are support staff. So everyone calm down with the whole he's bringing everyone from Oregon (he's not) or any sub par thing cause only position coaches he's brought in from there have been elite. What really matters is the coordinator hires which I have a feeling y'all should like. I do so simply chill out.
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If you've given the approval on Mastro, I'll change my tune. Just thought having a better recruiter at that position would help, but ready to roll regardless.
 
Jess is a good technical coach imo.

None of the other 3 DL coaches have coached in the NFL.

This year he had the worst DL talent in the last 6 years of the Diaz era.

The year he had Jackson and Willis, he fielded the best DL of the Diaz era. Best against the run, and TFL.

He just isn't a developed recruiter. Not much experience doing it, and he has moved around so much.
 
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