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Go suck a **** [MENTION=15255]Meat[/MENTION]This is the kind of **** that used to happen under Golden. Not supposed to happen under this new staff. Concerning if true.
Go suck a **** [MENTION=15255]Meat[/MENTION]This is the kind of **** that used to happen under Golden. Not supposed to happen under this new staff. Concerning if true.
It's on the staff because it's their job to recruit. Couldn't be any plainer than that.
And if they're going to whiff on Jobe, then it's on them to have another All American they can replace him with.
I hope they don't try to sell us on some "under the radar" scrub like they did with Trayone Gray when we lost out on that star WR recruit a few years ago, or with Knowles when we lost another safety to Alabama.
Name a staff you would rather have? Florida just got a guy who known as an underachiever and their fourth choice, FSU just hired the black al golden who has a losing record as a head coach. We Missed on a four star corner prospect, people are quick to forget little Nicky was on a helicopter to see gurvan hall a couple months ago. Don’t think he is flipping, i thought we lost all battle with bama? No team gets every prospect no team gets all four and five star recruits. Thank god we are in Miami so the 5-10 3 stars we take a class(like almost every other power program) have a better chance to develope and succeed. Our coach just won coach of the year. If you are complaining about this coach and staff then you would prob complain that your shot is brown.
I'm pretty sure I said in another reply to you that we have the best coach/staff in America. I believe we do. But it's human nature to settle when you whiff - that's how we ended up with Knowles, Redwine, Trayone Gray, Fines, etc on our roster. My only point is that we shouldn't settle - we already have a handful of All American DB's committed - we should either swing for the fences and land the 4/5 stars like Surtain, Campbell, Samuel, or maybe someone out of state, or if we whiff then we should save the spot for next year and grab a guy like Akeem Dent.
No more taking fliers on "underrated" guys. Your ceiling is Boise State or Wisconsin if you build your roster with underrated types. You become Alabama when you build your roster with All Americans.
That’s how you end up with 70 scholarship players. Would you rather have 3 stars or walk ons as your depth? How can you say we have a great staff then turnaround and knock the guys THEY offer so you trust rivals anaylsis of players or mark Richts anaylisis of player better. Based if you think we have best staff in county i would hope you would trust the staff evaluation of players over a paid site with an agenda.
Do Smith and Wilson have commitable offers?
The only staff member I trust to find underrated gems is Coach Kool, and that's because he's earned that respect after years upon years of churning out high draft picks at Missouri. You won't see me complain if we take a 3* DT that Kool really likes. The rest of the staff are great talent developers, great coaches, and great recruiters. But I'm going to question them if they take 3 stars.
You won't fall below 70 if you actually land some of the kids
Yep and you can fairly assess that after Richt has been here for four years. We have 72 acholarship players bc of a scandal and coaching change(might want to blame al golden for the lack of talent)you take people you think can contribute in the last two classes to try and get back to 85. This year we saw a huge step up in recruiting bc Richt has had time to sell the program and build relationships. Richt is doing this all way faster then i expected and for someone as unknowledable as some of our fans to bad moth his process after we had Coker Shannon and al golden is ridiculous.
Then we should try to add Campbell, Surtain, and/or Samuel, and call it a day.
Bottom line is that Miami will be "back" when we're in the top 5 on this list: https://247sports.com/Season/2017-Football/CollegeTeamTalentComposite
Right now, we're the 20th most talented team in college football. If we can hold this incoming class together and add one or two more, we'll bump up to the 10-15 range. Sign another loaded class in 2019 and we're talking.
But no more stuffing the roster with "underrated gems." Leave that business to USF or even Louisville. Miami should have bigger plans.[/QUOTE
Comparing apples and oranges. We are in the second year of a new coaching staff. A lot of kids transferred, were asked to leave, or went pro early. You don’t think this hurts those numbers? This is richts first true recruiting class imo and he is absolutely killing it. Yes you take three stars and don’t wait till next year. Two reasons 1. depth and 2. I don’t know about you but I was 5”9 at 18 and i am 6”2 today kids still are maturing(some kids get higher rankings based off measurables). [MENTION=15255]Meat[/MENTION] bet you get mad when you don’t win the lottery every week too? Guy is
head stuck in the sand moron.
If Alabama doesn't take 3 stars, I don't think Miami should be taking 3 stars. We should have just as many All Americans as they do.
Or else, don't when we get blown out in the ACC Championship game to teams with more talent. Recruit like the 2nd best team in the ACC, and you'll be the second best team in the ACC.
Recruit like a champion to become a champion.
Bama takes 3 stars just like every other school, some of their best secondary players have been 3 stars
But they take fewer of them.
Duh
Hey recruiting genius,If the coaches dnt feel good bout it, i wish they would be first in publically pulling his offer. I get fighting til the end on some kids but this kid has no character. Handles himself like a joke. And honestly we dnt need that type of fool within this team.
Go look at all of his pages and see if there’s any evidence of him being a Miami commit. I only have seen his twitter but these no mention of Miami on it , no Miami RTs nothing , yet there’s plenty of love for Bama, Saban, Bama players, etc. writing is on the wall it is what it is. We could use him but we’ll be more than fine without himNo info it I think he’s trolling bama. He’s committed to Miami and then does an interview saying there’s a 120% chance he flips? All while maintaining a commitment to Miami? And puts this out publicly? It’s too easy to say he’s gone. And he hasn’t decommitted from UM? When the visit with UM coaches is cancelled, I’ll buy it. Until then, he’s trolling bama.
Go watch film he is a ****ing beast. The biggest difference is we didn’t have a very good wide receiver commited when we went after thomas. We had to hit on a wide receiver or two last year player like that and we went outside the state when juedy said no. We never truly thought we had jeudy either.
Now let’s fast forward to this year. We have the best secondary class in the nation full of four stars and lockdown studs COMITTED. We can take a chance on a kid who is rated a 3 star but you look at his film and think he should be a four star from Florida(that the staff has clearly been working for over a month). Or we can drop everything and try and recruit a kid we have never thought about recruiting from another state. We don’t have the time or the resources to recruit like this no one does. I’d rather get a kid like this then one who is given a four star because the school he goes to or what coach he plays for. Watch the film then tell me you don’t want the kid with a straight face. I also trust the opinion of our coaches over a website made by a bunch of nerds looking to turn a profit.
Then we should try to add Campbell, Surtain, and/or Samuel, and call it a day.
Bottom line is that Miami will be "back" when we're in the top 5 on this list: https://247sports.com/Season/2017-Football/CollegeTeamTalentComposite
Right now, we're the 20th most talented team in college football. If we can hold this incoming class together and add one or two more, we'll bump up to the 10-15 range. Sign another loaded class in 2019 and we're talking.
But no more stuffing the roster with "underrated gems." Leave that business to USF or even Louisville. Miami should have bigger plans.[/QUOTE
Comparing apples and oranges. We are in the second year of a new coaching staff. A lot of kids transferred, were asked to leave, or went pro early. You don’t think this hurts those numbers? This is richts first true recruiting class imo and he is absolutely killing it. Yes you take three stars and don’t wait till next year. Two reasons 1. depth and 2. I don’t know about you but I was 5”9 at 18 and i am 6”2 today kids still are maturing(some kids get higher rankings based off measurables). [MENTION=15255]Meat[/MENTION] bet you get mad when you don’t win the lottery every week too? Guy is
head stuck in the sand moron.
If Alabama doesn't take 3 stars, I don't think Miami should be taking 3 stars. We should have just as many All Americans as they do.
Or else, don't when we get blown out in the ACC Championship game to teams with more talent. Recruit like the 2nd best team in the ACC, and you'll be the second best team in the ACC.
Recruit like a champion to become a champion.
Bama takes 3 stars just like every other school, some of their best secondary players have been 3 stars
Bama only signed one 3* db per class...if that...they don't usually have many 3* in the secondary....maybe a ol here a lb there not many 3* in each class....
I'm sure he's good, but he's rated 3 stars for a reason.
We got Robert Knowles and Redwine as consolation prizes because we whiffed on some big safety recruits. We got Trayone Gray because we whiffed on Dalvin Cook.
And you know what guys said at that time? "Knowles is big and fast, an underrated South Florida kid who goes and balls out somewhere else blah blah". Dudes are still holding out hope for Gray, that dude was hyped up so much by this board.
Finding underrated 3 star gems is something USF or FIU should do. It shouldn't be Miami's thing. We need to be loading up our roster with All Americans, like Alabama and Ohio State.
This year's class is a good start. I'm not complaining at all about the job this staff is doing overall. They're the best staff in America.
Doesn't mean they can sleep. In Jobe's case specifically, they need to pull a Jeudy / Jeff Thomas act and find a stud replacement, not some "underrated" 3-star Knowles type.
Go watch film he is a ****ing beast. The biggest difference is we didn’t have a very good wide receiver commited when we went after thomas. We had to hit on a wide receiver or two last year player like that and we went outside the state when juedy said no. We never truly thought we had jeudy either.
Now let’s fast forward to this year. We have the best secondary class in the nation full of four stars and lockdown studs COMITTED. We can take a chance on a kid who is rated a 3 star but you look at his film and think he should be a four star from Florida(that the staff has clearly been working for over a month). Or we can drop everything and try and recruit a kid we have never thought about recruiting from another state. We don’t have the time or the resources to recruit like this no one does. I’d rather get a kid like this then one who is given a four star because the school he goes to or what coach he plays for. Watch the film then tell me you don’t want the kid with a straight face. I also trust the opinion of our coaches over a website made by a bunch of nerds looking to turn a profit.
Then we should try to add Campbell, Surtain, and/or Samuel, and call it a day.
Bottom line is that Miami will be "back" when we're in the top 5 on this list: https://247sports.com/Season/2017-Football/CollegeTeamTalentComposite
Right now, we're the 20th most talented team in college football. If we can hold this incoming class together and add one or two more, we'll bump up to the 10-15 range. Sign another loaded class in 2019 and we're talking.
But no more stuffing the roster with "underrated gems." Leave that business to USF or even Louisville. Miami should have bigger plans.[/QUOTE
Comparing apples and oranges. We are in the second year of a new coaching staff. A lot of kids transferred, were asked to leave, or went pro early. You don’t think this hurts those numbers? This is richts first true recruiting class imo and he is absolutely killing it. Yes you take three stars and don’t wait till next year. Two reasons 1. depth and 2. I don’t know about you but I was 5”9 at 18 and i am 6”2 today kids still are maturing(some kids get higher rankings based off measurables). [MENTION=15255]Meat[/MENTION] bet you get mad when you don’t win the lottery every week too? Guy is
head stuck in the sand moron.
If Alabama doesn't take 3 stars, I don't think Miami should be taking 3 stars. We should have just as many All Americans as they do.
Or else, don't cry when we get blown out in the ACC Championship game to teams with more talent and start blaming it on X's and O's. Recruit like the 2nd best team in the ACC, and you'll STAY the second best team in the ACC.
Recruit like a champion to become a champion.
The 2nd best team in the ACC has a higher rated recruiting class than the 1st best team in the ACC
It's on the staff because it's their job to recruit. Couldn't be any plainer than that.
And if they're going to whiff on Jobe, then it's on them to have another All American they can replace him with.
I hope they don't try to sell us on some "under the radar" scrub like they did with Trayone Gray when we lost out on that star WR recruit a few years ago, or with Knowles when we lost another safety to Alabama.
Name a staff you would rather have? Florida just got a guy who known as an underachiever and their fourth choice, FSU just hired the black al golden who has a losing record as a head coach. We Missed on a four star corner prospect, people are quick to forget little Nicky was on a helicopter to see gurvan hall a couple months ago. Don’t think he is flipping, i thought we lost all battle with bama? No team gets every prospect no team gets all four and five star recruits. Thank god we are in Miami so the 5-10 3 stars we take a class(like almost every other power program) have a better chance to develope and succeed. Our coach just won coach of the year. If you are complaining about this coach and staff then you would prob complain that your shot is brown.
I'm pretty sure I said in another reply to you that we have the best coach/staff in America. I believe we do. But it's human nature to settle when you whiff - that's how we ended up with Knowles, Redwine, Trayone Gray, Fines, etc on our roster. My only point is that we shouldn't settle - we already have a handful of All American DB's committed - we should either swing for the fences and land the 4/5 stars like Surtain, Campbell, Samuel, or maybe someone out of state, or if we whiff then we should save the spot for next year and grab a guy like Akeem Dent.
No more taking fliers on "underrated" guys. Your ceiling is Boise State or Wisconsin if you build your roster with underrated types. You become Alabama when you build your roster with All Americans.
That’s how you end up with 70 scholarship players. Would you rather have 3 stars or walk ons as your depth? How can you say we have a great staff then turnaround and knock the guys THEY offer so you trust rivals anaylsis of players or mark Richts anaylisis of player better. Based if you think we have best staff in county i would hope you would trust the staff evaluation of players over a paid site with an agenda.
Do Smith and Wilson have commitable offers?
The only staff member I trust to find underrated gems is Coach Kool, and that's because he's earned that respect after years upon years of churning out high draft picks at Missouri. You won't see me complain if we take a 3* DT that Kool really likes. The rest of the staff are great talent developers, great coaches, and great recruiters. But I'm going to question them if they take 3 stars.
You won't fall below 70 if you actually land some of the kids you target.
Go watch film he is a ****ing beast. The biggest difference is we didn’t have a very good wide receiver commited when we went after thomas. We had to hit on a wide receiver or two last year player like that and we went outside the state when juedy said no. We never truly thought we had jeudy either.
Now let’s fast forward to this year. We have the best secondary class in the nation full of four stars and lockdown studs COMITTED. We can take a chance on a kid who is rated a 3 star but you look at his film and think he should be a four star from Florida(that the staff has clearly been working for over a month). Or we can drop everything and try and recruit a kid we have never thought about recruiting from another state. We don’t have the time or the resources to recruit like this no one does. I’d rather get a kid like this then one who is given a four star because the school he goes to or what coach he plays for. Watch the film then tell me you don’t want the kid with a straight face. I also trust the opinion of our coaches over a website made by a bunch of nerds looking to turn a profit.
Then we should try to add Campbell, Surtain, and/or Samuel, and call it a day.
Bottom line is that Miami will be "back" when we're in the top 5 on this list: https://247sports.com/Season/2017-Football/CollegeTeamTalentComposite
Right now, we're the 20th most talented team in college football. If we can hold this incoming class together and add one or two more, we'll bump up to the 10-15 range. Sign another loaded class in 2019 and we're talking.
But no more stuffing the roster with "underrated gems." Leave that business to USF or even Louisville. Miami should have bigger plans.[/QUOTE
Comparing apples and oranges. We are in the second year of a new coaching staff. A lot of kids transferred, were asked to leave, or went pro early. You don’t think this hurts those numbers? This is richts first true recruiting class imo and he is absolutely killing it. Yes you take three stars and don’t wait till next year. Two reasons 1. depth and 2. I don’t know about you but I was 5”9 at 18 and i am 6”2 today kids still are maturing(some kids get higher rankings based off measurables). [MENTION=15255]Meat[/MENTION] bet you get mad when you don’t win the lottery every week too? Guy is
head stuck in the sand moron.
If Alabama doesn't take 3 stars, I don't think Miami should be taking 3 stars. We should have just as many All Americans as they do.
Or else, don't cry when we get blown out in the ACC Championship game to teams with more talent and start blaming it on X's and O's. Recruit like the 2nd best team in the ACC, and you'll STAY the second best team in the ACC.
Recruit like a champion to become a champion.
The 2nd best team in the ACC has a higher rated recruiting class than the 1st best team in the ACC
Good. That's what we want.
Our coaches got a lil creative last year when referring to the guys that flipped to UF . I think if they really wanted they could drop a zip code hint , I mean how many dudes are we recruiting that are currently in Connecticut ? With that being said , I think our coaches are happy with who is already coming and probably have some backup plansHey recruiting genius,If the coaches dnt feel good bout it, i wish they would be first in publically pulling his offer. I get fighting til the end on some kids but this kid has no character. Handles himself like a joke. And honestly we dnt need that type of fool within this team.
please let all of us know how the coaches are supposed to publicly pull his offer when naming any recruit is a violation
Name a staff you would rather have? Florida just got a guy who known as an underachiever and their fourth choice, FSU just hired the black al golden who has a losing record as a head coach. We Missed on a four star corner prospect, people are quick to forget little Nicky was on a helicopter to see gurvan hall a couple months ago. Don’t think he is flipping, i thought we lost all battle with bama? No team gets every prospect no team gets all four and five star recruits. Thank god we are in Miami so the 5-10 3 stars we take a class(like almost every other power program) have a better chance to develope and succeed. Our coach just won coach of the year. If you are complaining about this coach and staff then you would prob complain that your shot is brown.
I'm pretty sure I said in another reply to you that we have the best coach/staff in America. I believe we do. But it's human nature to settle when you whiff - that's how we ended up with Knowles, Redwine, Trayone Gray, Fines, etc on our roster. My only point is that we shouldn't settle - we already have a handful of All American DB's committed - we should either swing for the fences and land the 4/5 stars like Surtain, Campbell, Samuel, or maybe someone out of state, or if we whiff then we should save the spot for next year and grab a guy like Akeem Dent.
No more taking fliers on "underrated" guys. Your ceiling is Boise State or Wisconsin if you build your roster with underrated types. You become Alabama when you build your roster with All Americans.
That’s how you end up with 70 scholarship players. Would you rather have 3 stars or walk ons as your depth? How can you say we have a great staff then turnaround and knock the guys THEY offer so you trust rivals anaylsis of players or mark Richts anaylisis of player better. Based if you think we have best staff in county i would hope you would trust the staff evaluation of players over a paid site with an agenda.
Do Smith and Wilson have commitable offers?
The only staff member I trust to find underrated gems is Coach Kool, and that's because he's earned that respect after years upon years of churning out high draft picks at Missouri. You won't see me complain if we take a 3* DT that Kool really likes. The rest of the staff are great talent developers, great coaches, and great recruiters. But I'm going to question them if they take 3 stars.
You won't fall below 70 if you actually land some of the kids you target.
Stop being a star-*****. Take a few minutes out of your day to watch Keidron Smith's film and tell us what you see that makes you believe they aren't going to succeed in college instead of lazily reviewing 24/7 composite rankings and arguing 5* > 4* > 3*. Those sites don't know everything.
Is Jobe a better DB recruit than Smith or Wilson, probably yes. But that's not the question. The question is whether Smith or Wilson are Miami-caliber, top-level, p5 recruits in their own right. To my eyes, the answer is clearly yes (regardless of stars).
Then we should try to add Campbell, Surtain, and/or Samuel, and call it a day.
Bottom line is that Miami will be "back" when we're in the top 5 on this list: https://247sports.com/Season/2017-Football/CollegeTeamTalentComposite
Right now, we're the 20th most talented team in college football. If we can hold this incoming class together and add one or two more, we'll bump up to the 10-15 range. Sign another loaded class in 2019 and we're talking.
But no more stuffing the roster with "underrated gems." Leave that business to USF or even Louisville. Miami should have bigger plans.[/QUOTE
Comparing apples and oranges. We are in the second year of a new coaching staff. A lot of kids transferred, were asked to leave, or went pro early. You don’t think this hurts those numbers? This is richts first true recruiting class imo and he is absolutely killing it. Yes you take three stars and don’t wait till next year. Two reasons 1. depth and 2. I don’t know about you but I was 5”9 at 18 and i am 6”2 today kids still are maturing(some kids get higher rankings based off measurables). [MENTION=15255]Meat[/MENTION] bet you get mad when you don’t win the lottery every week too? Guy is
head stuck in the sand moron.
If Alabama doesn't take 3 stars, I don't think Miami should be taking 3 stars. We should have just as many All Americans as they do.
Or else, don't when we get blown out in the ACC Championship game to teams with more talent. Recruit like the 2nd best team in the ACC, and you'll be the second best team in the ACC.
Recruit like a champion to become a champion.
Bama takes 3 stars just like every other school, some of their best secondary players have been 3 stars
But they take fewer of them.
Couple more of these and it will be one post per page...
Go look at all of his pages and see if there’s any evidence of him being a Miami commit. I only have seen his twitter but these no mention of Miami on it , no Miami RTs nothing , yet there’s plenty of love for Bama, Saban, Bama players, etc. writing is on the wall it is what it is. We could use him but we’ll be more than fine without himNo info it I think he’s trolling bama. He’s committed to Miami and then does an interview saying there’s a 120% chance he flips? All while maintaining a commitment to Miami? And puts this out publicly? It’s too easy to say he’s gone. And he hasn’t decommitted from UM? When the visit with UM coaches is cancelled, I’ll buy it. Until then, he’s trolling bama.
I'm pretty sure I said in another reply to you that we have the best coach/staff in America. I believe we do. But it's human nature to settle when you whiff - that's how we ended up with Knowles, Redwine, Trayone Gray, Fines, etc on our roster. My only point is that we shouldn't settle - we already have a handful of All American DB's committed - we should either swing for the fences and land the 4/5 stars like Surtain, Campbell, Samuel, or maybe someone out of state, or if we whiff then we should save the spot for next year and grab a guy like Akeem Dent.
No more taking fliers on "underrated" guys. Your ceiling is Boise State or Wisconsin if you build your roster with underrated types. You become Alabama when you build your roster with All Americans.
That’s how you end up with 70 scholarship players. Would you rather have 3 stars or walk ons as your depth? How can you say we have a great staff then turnaround and knock the guys THEY offer so you trust rivals anaylsis of players or mark Richts anaylisis of player better. Based if you think we have best staff in county i would hope you would trust the staff evaluation of players over a paid site with an agenda.
Do Smith and Wilson have commitable offers?
The only staff member I trust to find underrated gems is Coach Kool, and that's because he's earned that respect after years upon years of churning out high draft picks at Missouri. You won't see me complain if we take a 3* DT that Kool really likes. The rest of the staff are great talent developers, great coaches, and great recruiters. But I'm going to question them if they take 3 stars.
You won't fall below 70 if you actually land some of the kids you target.
Stop being a star-*****. Take a few minutes out of your day to watch Keidron Smith's film and tell us what you see that makes you believe they aren't going to succeed in college instead of lazily reviewing 24/7 composite rankings and arguing 5* > 4* > 3*. Those sites don't know everything.
Is Jobe a better DB recruit than Smith or Wilson, probably yes. But that's not the question. The question is whether Smith or Wilson are Miami-caliber, top-level, p5 recruits in their own right. To my eyes, the answer is clearly yes (regardless of stars).
That was the Al Golden / Randy Shannon mentality. "Golden specials," I think we called them.
Not interested. Saban wouldn't touch Smith or Wilson, then neither should we.
Go look at all of his pages and see if there’s any evidence of him being a Miami commit. I only have seen his twitter but these no mention of Miami on it , no Miami RTs nothing , yet there’s plenty of love for Bama, Saban, Bama players, etc. writing is on the wall it is what it is. We could use him but we’ll be more than fine without himNo info it I think he’s trolling bama. He’s committed to Miami and then does an interview saying there’s a 120% chance he flips? All while maintaining a commitment to Miami? And puts this out publicly? It’s too easy to say he’s gone. And he hasn’t decommitted from UM? When the visit with UM coaches is cancelled, I’ll buy it. Until then, he’s trolling bama.
you do know hes admitted himself that likes to troll right? until he flips, take it for what it is -- a self proclaimed troll.