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Jethro Franklin

Yeah, you're right about that being a stretch at this point. But to lump him in with Jethro and D'Ohno isn't right either IMO.
 
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I don't think Williams deserves credit for McGee. McGee played how a senior athlete of his caliber is expected to play. He still barely made any significant plays. Gunter isn't the best example either considering he's made a couple cameos on the offenses spring highlight reel. Jenkins hasn't done anything yet. Stevie Wonder could coach Bush. Howard was the #1 CB in the country. Crawford is coming on nicely.

All joking aside...

If we're giving credit to Williams for those guys then why no credit for Franklin developing OP and Luther Robinson this spring?
 
RiDLer80 said:
Williams is a really good coach. WTF are you talking about?
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canesglory said:
WildcatDefense said:
Wait wait wait. Not saying i disagree...but why does Paul Williams get a pass? Our secondary looks absolutely lost sometimes. They're starting to look a little better this spring with the emergence of Howard, Crawford, Bush and Jenkins...but go figure. All those guys are studs.

Franklin is not working with those type of athletes on the DL.
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U said it all right there. Williams has brought in studs to bolster our secondary. Should he not get credited for bringing them in and/or coaching them up?
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The coaches recruit by region not by the position they coach.
 
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WildcatDefense said:
I don't think Williams deserves credit for McGee. McGee played how a senior athlete of his caliber is expected to play. He still barely made any significant plays. Gunter isn't the best example either considering he's made a couple cameos on the offenses spring highlight reel. Jenkins hasn't done anything yet. Stevie Wonder could coach Bush. Howard was the #1 CB in the country. Crawford is coming on nicely.

All joking aside...

If we're giving credit to Williams for those guys then why no credit for Franklin developing OP and Luther Robinson this spring?
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Who gives a **** about spring? Thompkins was the best WR three springs running. What did he ever do here?

Robinson hasn't done **** worth noting in games since he made that one play against BC. Pierre I guess he can get credit for, but other than OP, Franklin hasn't developed ****.

How you gonna **** on McGee getting coached up because he's a senior? Before him, what senior played like a senior at Miami? He gets no credit for Bush playing an all-conference player as a freshmen? I call bull on that too.
 
RiDLer80 said:
WildcatDefense said:
I don't think Williams deserves credit for McGee. McGee played how a senior athlete of his caliber is expected to play. He still barely made any significant plays. Gunter isn't the best example either considering he's made a couple cameos on the offenses spring highlight reel. Jenkins hasn't done anything yet. Stevie Wonder could coach Bush. Howard was the #1 CB in the country. Crawford is coming on nicely.

All joking aside...

If we're giving credit to Williams for those guys then why no credit for Franklin developing OP and Luther Robinson this spring?
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Who gives a **** about spring? Thompkins was the best WR three springs running. What did he ever do here?

Robinson hasn't done **** worth noting in games since he made that one play against BC. Pierre I guess he can get credit for, but other than OP, Franklin hasn't developed ****.

How you gonna **** on McGee getting coached up because he's a senior? Before him, what senior played like a senior at Miami? He gets no credit for Bush playing an all-conference player as a freshmen? I call bull on that too.
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Are you done? Dry your eyes. Now listen.

If people are gonna use the improvement of Howard, Jenkins or Crawford as an argument for Williams then they must be talking about spring, cause they didn't do jacksh!t last season.

With that said...

Since we're talking about improvement then we must also talk about Robinson and Pierre. If we're gonna talk about the recent improvements of our secondary then it's only fair that we talk about the recent improvements of anybody on our D-line that can actually chew gum and run at the same time.


And give me a break, McGee was pedestrian, man. (especially considering his measureables) Williams couldn't help that kid. What Senior played like a Senior? Uh, how 'bout DVD and Ryan Hill. Both played CB better than McGee during their Senior year.
 
Compare the caliber of athlete Williams is coaching to the caliber of athlete Franklin is coaching. It's not even close.

Now I'm not a Franklin apologist but I do understand how one coach could look better than the other coach because of the talent they have to work with. ****, if we're basing everything off of on-the-field performance then I guess Barrow is our best defensive coach. Look what he's done with Perryman, Figs, Johnson and Kirby. (lmao pfffft)

When we actually get some physically capable D-linemen in here then maybe we can judge Franklin. Right now I don't believe it's fair.
 
Mike Barrow didn't even coach anything besides specials the last few years. He's probably the worst actual coach on staff, and that's ok. He's here to recruit. AG is a world class LB coach and MD was one of the best ever at the other LB U.

The issue with our DTs is that they were all recruited to play in a completely different system where the mentality is totally different. It's a way of playing that isn't going to attract lots of arrogant pampered over recruited 5 star DTs.

Mo Wilkerson, a 2 star nobody, takes a massive dump on anyone Rick Petri has developed since Sapp.
 
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WildcatDefense said:
Compare the caliber of athlete Williams is coaching to the caliber of athlete Franklin is coaching. It's not even close.

Now I'm not a Franklin apologist but I do understand how one coach could look better than the other coach because of the talent they have to work with. ****, if we're basing everything off of on-the-field performance then I guess Barrow is our best defensive coach. Look what he's done with Perryman, Figs, Johnson and Kirby. (lmao pfffft)

When we actually get some physically capable D-linemen in here then maybe we can judge Franklin. Right now I don't believe it's fair.
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Highly touted Forston didn't do diddly... Highly touted Vernon didn't do jack... Highly touted MRob played ok....Vernon nothing...Ojomo played decent. The list goes on and in! Chickill was a 5 star stud and his career till this day is pathetic. green is green. Rico can't get of the bench and he was supposed to be that pass rushing freak. Darius Plug suckeddd. King got steam rolled last year.

He certainly has had players above average To work with! There should be no excuses! Put up or shut up time for Jethro.
 
Not that we have superstar coaches, but I think a lot of "fans" are blinded to the fact that our defense was just really lacking talent and experience last season. Doesn't matter who's coaching if the players can't play
 
Paranos said:
There is a reason Jethro only spends 1 to 2 years at all of his previous jobs in college & the NFL, then when he lastly came back to the College ranks the only that would hire was Temple. WHy would he go to lowly Temple with his west cost & NFL pedigree is the better question to ask, there where quite a few other Dline jobs open in 2010 at high profile schools Arizona, Colorado, Kansas, & Washington (who's head coach Steve Sarkisian worked with Jethro twice at USC but yet didn't offer him a job). An Mike Sherman hired franklin in Green Bay as the HC and then got the job with the Texans When Sherman become the OC & Assoc HC , did not take Jethro with him when he took the Texas A&M head Coaching position. And TAM has dline tradition as long & legendary as Miami's, heck the where nick named the wrecking defense because they where soo bad ***, but yet Sherman who was rebuilding a program from scratch did not take with him such a valuable member of the defensive staff, hmm something is a little fishy. So Franklin heads back to USC for a few months then poof like magic goes the penthouse of Troy to the loading docks of south Philly (aka Temple), with no stop in between yeah something is not right. Then also consider this Pete Carrol was supposedly very high on Franklin's coaching abilities and he had NFL experience with 3 teams so then why not take him to seattle with him when Carrol excepted the HC job. I am mean I sure it wasn't that AG & Temple made him a better offer, no I think it was his only offer.

http://www.ocregister.com/articles/usc-471406-strong-football.html

Franklin has been living off his USC & NFL coaching stops far to long and people are starting to notice, just like with Lane Kiffin that he may not be as good as advertised. They both blessed to walk into situations at USC & in the NFL where the teams where loaded with talent so all they had to do was manage what was already gifted to them, where as when it comes to developing talent well the proof folks has been in the pudding. I have said it before and will say it again Coach Petri would eat Franklin's lunch any day of the week and twice on Sat's in the fall. An Petri has turned the **** Duke Dline into fire breathing world beater, which is just down right shameful to admit that statistically has performed head & shoulders above UM's Unit over the last 2 years.

AG know's all this now, and that's why Franklin is trying to pull one last pimp job living off of the USC, NFL, and now the Miami name to land a job elsewhere which is why Jethro interviewed for the OU Dline job privately just after signing day 2013. AG was surprised by the question during an interview because he didn't even Franklin was looking but he knows the writing is on the wall and in the sky, as well as the Tea Leaves.

So lets see how this plays out but I don't see Franklin lasting past the fall, maybe even sooner if he can land a job somewhere else thus opening the door for the return of Kevin Patrick. I would say AG needs encourage Jethro to do this sooner in order to give KP the time to hit the ground running with some of the UM dline recruiting targets.

Go Canes!
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4 NFL coaches (Mike Sherman, Pete Carroll, Jon Gruden, Gary Kubiak) and Al Golden hired Jethro Franklin. Granted, Sherman didn't "re-hire" him (and you tell me Jethro WANTED to go to A/M), but Sherman kept him for 4 years (his entire tenure at Green Bay). Pete Carroll seemed to have liked Jethro enough to rehire him. Al Golden brought him from Temple. Do you have any information on what Jethro was getting paid at Green Bay and what he'd have gotten at A/M? You tell me there is ONE reason he was at so many places, but can you tell me whether he was getting paid more at the next place? Did HC changes affect where he's coached? Before I put too much stock into those 5 clowns who kept hiring Jethro, what is your resume regarding the evaluation of college football coaching staffs?
 
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Listen, I have relatives that I wouldn't spit on if they were on fire, so I was never comfortable with the whole "Uncle Jethro" bit.
 
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