Jacob Lichtenstein 2017 DE would he flip to UM if offered

[kryptonite]

We don't need him. Our dline class is filled up

Isn't that nice to finally say Miami doesn't need another dlinemen but rather we may want an additional linemen. If there is room later in the class do to roster transfers, why not make a run at a south florida long athletic dlinemen that can grow into a DT who is also a high motor kid that is smart .

Go Canes

kid is just a gym rat, student of the game. He by any chance a coach's son? Has smarts you can't coach.

How's his motor?

 

[Paranos]

Link to older article breaking down Lichtenstein's strengths and weaknesses.
AllinOne :: USC Lands Another Underrated Recruit in DE Jacob Lichtenstein

. USC Lands Another Underrated Recruit in DE Jacob Lichtenstein
Joseph Kavaloski , AllinOne on August 19

Tuesday, USC received the commitment of Fort Lauderdale defensive end Jacob Lichtenstein. Although he is only listed as a high three star recruit according to 247 sports, Lichtenstein has excellent physical and mental tools that helped him garner nearly 40 offers from some of the biggest college football powerhouses in the nation. At a solid 6’5” 248 lbs., Lichtenstein has an excellent physical frame that could see him employed at multiple spots along the defensive line in Clancy Pendergast’s 5-2 defense.

Lichtenstein’s best attribute is his strength. Although he is still relatively thin for his height and will need to add size on to his frame, Lichtenstein is able to use his strength and long arms to manhandle opposing offensive lineman. In pass rushing situations, Lichtenstein often reverts to simply pushing the offensive tackle into the backfield, causing the pocket to collapse. He is not particularly fast and does not show the ability to beat tackles around the edge, but his upper body strength and very long arms allow him to easily move lineman out of the way. In run defense, his strength is even more effective where he can easily shed blocks and take down ball carriers in the backfield.

Lichtenstein is an excellent run defender thanks to his strength, underrated quickness, and play recognition skills. For a player who is not particularly fast and mainly relies on strength in order to make plays, Lichtenstein is much quicker than many would expect. His first step is very fast and it allows him to shoot the B gap between the tackle and the guard. Lichtenstein regularly faces double teams at the high school level, but his quickness to split the gap and strength to shed the blocks allows him to consistently make plays in the backfield.

In addition to his physical attributes, Lichtenstein also has great play recognition that is particularly effective when diagnosing zone read plays. As a defensive end, his decision to either set the edge or pursue the running back usually determines the outcome of the play. Lichtenstein does a fantastic job of identifying who is carrying the football, preventing him from being left “chasing ghosts” when the quarterback decides to keep the ball and exploit the space left vacated by the defensive end. Lichtenstein’s combination of physical and mental attributes give him a very solid base that should see him become a fantastic run defender for the Trojans.

Lichtenstein’s size gives the USC coaching staff a number of position options for the young lineman. Although slightly less muscular at this stage of his career, Lichtenstein’s frame and skillset is similar to that of current Trojan Porter Gustin. In the 5-2 defense, Gustin operates as the predator linebacker whose primary responsibility is to rush the quarterback. While Lichtenstein has the physical traits to become effective in this area, he is currently more effective, and has more upside, as a run defender. This would see him slot in as the defensive end where he is responsible for the B gap. Lichtenstein has already shown the proficiency to dominate the space between the tackle and the guard, and as he adds more muscle in a college weight program, his dominance should translate well to the college game.

Despite Lichtenstein’s impressive showings in high school, if he is to play the defensive end spot in the 5-2, he will likely need to add about 25-30 pounds of muscle before he can become a significant contributor. The most likely starter at that position as of now is Malik Dorton who weighs in at 280 lbs. As a redshirt sophomore, he will likely spend at least another year or two on campus, thus limiting the potential starting opportunities for Lichtenstein in the short term. However, Dorton has not logged much experience in the past and is a relative unknown heading into the 2016 season. If everything goes according to plan, Dorton would be the starter for the next two to three seasons before handing the job to Lichtenstein, but if the young lineman can quickly add weight, he has the talent to really push Dorton for the starting spot.

 

[RVACane]

Why were none of the big 3 interested?

 

[simplycanes]

If he was black but same exact player would you still compare him to JJ Watt?

"Berrios is going to be our Wes Welker."

 

[orange&green84]

Based on Macho's evaluation, is likely position will be DT given his lack of bend which is important for DE's. Personally if we somehow landed Echolls, I don't see the staff getting any more defensive linemen the rest of the cycle.

 

[Coach Macho]

Does anyone know what it is about this kid who's a hard commit to USC(w) that he's being chased from outside the state but none of the big 3 have offered?

Out-of-state teams love Florida kids. This happens all the time. Those schools are more than willing to take our "leftovers".

 

[Coach Macho]

Based on Macho's evaluation, is likely position will be DT given his lack of bend which is important for DE's. Personally if we somehow landed Echolls, I don't see the staff getting any more defensive linemen the rest of the cycle.

This kid cannot play in our DE rotation IMO. Not athletic enough. Would need to gain a ton of weight and play DT.

FWIW, my buddy is the OC at Western and he said that the kid was a "one man wrecking crew" against them and that he collapsed the pocket on almost every play.

 

[RVACane]

Based on Macho's evaluation, is likely position will be DT given his lack of bend which is important for DE's. Personally if we somehow landed Echolls, I don't see the staff getting any more defensive linemen the rest of the cycle.

This kid cannot play in our DE rotation IMO. Not athletic enough. Would need to gain a ton of weight and play DT.

FWIW, my buddy is the OC at Western and he said that the kid was a "one man wrecking crew" against them and that he collapsed the pocket on almost every play.

Is he worth the shot as a DT or is that too much weight?

 

[Paranos]

As I said bring in the young man, redshirt him and in 2 years he will be a Matt Walters 2.0 as a 3 Technique DT. Miami will need replacements ready because we will lose 5 DT's (Willis, Norton, Jenkins, Moten, & Mcintosh) after next season. So Miami could stand to add 1 more additional DT to the 2017 class.

Go Canes

 

[Ibis Wingz]

Does anyone know what it is about this kid who's a hard commit to USC(w) that he's being chased from outside the state but none of the big 3 have offered?

Out-of-state teams love Florida kids. This happens all the time. Those schools are more than willing to take our "leftovers".

Does USC really need to take Florida leftovers? Aren't they getting top recruits from out west?

 

[The Franchise]

Does anyone know what it is about this kid who's a hard commit to USC(w) that he's being chased from outside the state but none of the big 3 have offered?

Out-of-state teams love Florida kids. This happens all the time. Those schools are more than willing to take our "leftovers".

Does USC really need to take Florida leftovers? Aren't they getting top recruits from out west?

Florida leftovers > CA 5 stars

 

[Ibis Wingz]

Does anyone know what it is about this kid who's a hard commit to USC(w) that he's being chased from outside the state but none of the big 3 have offered?

Out-of-state teams love Florida kids. This happens all the time. Those schools are more than willing to take our "leftovers".

Does USC really need to take Florida leftovers? Aren't they getting top recruits from out west?

Florida leftovers > CA 5 stars

Thanks. Who knew?

 

[blackvern]

I love crootin

 

[RVACane]

Does anyone know what it is about this kid who's a hard commit to USC(w) that he's being chased from outside the state but none of the big 3 have offered?

Out-of-state teams love Florida kids. This happens all the time. Those schools are more than willing to take our "leftovers".

Does USC really need to take Florida leftovers? Aren't they getting top recruits from out west?

Florida leftovers > CA 5 stars

Except for DJ Johnson. He talks like he has:
1) Ability
2) Crank

 

[Ibis Wingz]

It's all about crank.

 

[Coach Macho]

Does anyone know what it is about this kid who's a hard commit to USC(w) that he's being chased from outside the state but none of the big 3 have offered?

Out-of-state teams love Florida kids. This happens all the time. Those schools are more than willing to take our "leftovers".

Does USC really need to take Florida leftovers? Aren't they getting top recruits from out west?

They may like him better than the local DE's they have on their board. *shrug*

Did UCLA need to take a 3-star RB/WR/DB from Western High School who had no offers from the Big-3? No, but they did, and he's their best DB.

Kevin Oliver, the Senior DE at Western, was flown to Cali by USC to attend an "invite only" camp. His best offer is Texas A&M but he has none from the Big-3. I don't know if they actually extended an offer after the camp but the fact they were heavily recruiting him when he's essentially "leftovers" of the Big-3 kinda describes what I'm talking about. Texas A&M doesn't really need to offer him. They're in Texas, they have tons of talent at their disposal.

I've got a DE who's only offers from FLA schools are USF and UCF but Colorado, a top-10 team from the West coast, just offered him last week and wants to fly him in for a visit.

Everybody loves FLA kids!

It be's like dat homie! #crootin

 

[Coach Macho]

Based on Macho's evaluation, is likely position will be DT given his lack of bend which is important for DE's. Personally if we somehow landed Echolls, I don't see the staff getting any more defensive linemen the rest of the cycle.

This kid cannot play in our DE rotation IMO. Not athletic enough. Would need to gain a ton of weight and play DT.

FWIW, my buddy is the OC at Western and he said that the kid was a "one man wrecking crew" against them and that he collapsed the pocket on almost every play.

Is he worth the shot as a DT or is that too much weight?

I don't know bro, that's a lot of weight.

He's better than Jelani Hamilton though. LOL. Maybe that means he's a take.

 

[The Franchise]

Does anyone know what it is about this kid who's a hard commit to USC(w) that he's being chased from outside the state but none of the big 3 have offered?

Out-of-state teams love Florida kids. This happens all the time. Those schools are more than willing to take our "leftovers".

Does USC really need to take Florida leftovers? Aren't they getting top recruits from out west?

Florida leftovers > CA 5 stars

Except for DJ Johnson. He talks like he has:
1) Ability
2) Crank

He might be one of those rare guys with AA ability and AA crank.