Is this game a referendum on Art Kehoe?....

K9 I've only read your initial post in this thread, but I'd love to hear his rationale for having guys constantly rotate along the offensive line. I've never been a fan of that. And I understand your initial post to reflect Coach Kehoe's performance over the past several years rather than just last game against FAU. I think this game will be a measuring stick game, but any final verdict should probably be held until we complete the season. I agree though that our offensive line should win most of the battles in the trenches where they are not facing a box that's 8 or 9 players deep, which is exactly how I expect uf to play us until Steven shows he can beat them with his arm. I'm confident our guys up front will meet the challenge.

Bottom line, this game will be upfront, right?

A lot of people weren't happy that Kehoe was re-hired by Golden a few years ago for a myriad of reasons.

Well, the way I look at it, UM has NFL quality guys on the Oline, Florida has a lot of talent on the opposite side of the ball.

UM needs to consistently win battles in the trenches or it won't matter if they Duke Johnson or anyone else at the skill positions.

The unit coached by Arthur Francis Kehoe needs to come up big.

Watch the video of him before the fau game. It's actually The Don's philosophy to rotate as many players as possible. The Don believes it gives guys an incentive to practice hard, and it also wears down the opponent by rotating fresh bodies out there. He doesn't see why you should substitute at other positions and not at OL.

Exactly. It is the Golden shuffle. I love Golden but can't let Art take the fal for this. For better or worse, this is part of Goldenazation.
 
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There were a few bad beats last week (Bunche specifically) and Flowers got off balance a few times, but on the whole, the OL did really well. But they need to be a lot more consistent this week, backside cuts need to be more effective and the playside guard on the power plays needs to do A LOT better job preventing penetration. There were at least 3 power plays (including the 4th and short on the first drive) where the pulling guard didn't even get to the hole because he cut up early because the playside guard got blown up, and then the guy he was supposed to block made the tackle in the hole. Henderson, Feliciano, McDermott and Wheeler did really well, Linder was good but not great, and Bunche and Flowers struggled some.

Also, just random note, Duke needs to follow the freaking fullback, few plays Hagens went outside and Duke cut it up too early and Hagens ended up outside with no one to block while Duke got taken down after a few yards. Nitpicking, but left some yards on the field.
 
K9 I've only read your initial post in this thread, but I'd love to hear his rationale for having guys constantly rotate along the offensive line. I've never been a fan of that. And I understand your initial post to reflect Coach Kehoe's performance over the past several years rather than just last game against FAU. I think this game will be a measuring stick game, but any final verdict should probably be held until we complete the season. I agree though that our offensive line should win most of the battles in the trenches where they are not facing a box that's 8 or 9 players deep, which is exactly how I expect uf to play us until Steven shows he can beat them with his arm. I'm confident our guys up front will meet the challenge.

Bottom line, this game will be upfront, right?

A lot of people weren't happy that Kehoe was re-hired by Golden a few years ago for a myriad of reasons.

Well, the way I look at it, UM has NFL quality guys on the Oline, Florida has a lot of talent on the opposite side of the ball.

UM needs to consistently win battles in the trenches or it won't matter if they Duke Johnson or anyone else at the skill positions.

The unit coached by Arthur Francis Kehoe needs to come up big.

Benn, I actually coined the term 'the Kehoe Shuffle' years ago on CanesTime, but back then it referred more to the fact that because UM's recruiting starting to wane, that say for instance a left guard went down, instead of plugging in another LG, Kehoe was forced to move say another starter into that spot and then a backup to take the place of that starter at his position. So in essence, it was like replacing two players, almost

But yeah, honestly, for big games like this, you ride or die with your best 5. That's my philosophy. There are other games like Bethune-Cookman where you can experiment and mix and match. Continuity is so important here against a talented front like UF's.

I was never opposed to Kehoe returning. I think under the right coach he's very good. I believe he was a victim of the Coker malaise that crippled the whole program

Well, if you're playing your best 5 then that might mean moving a starting tackle to guard. Yeah, ideally you'd like to replace the injuried guard with his depth chart backup, but that may not be the better option.

In a game like Saturday, Miami better have 7 kids ready to play significant snaps. It's going to be hot and Florida's defensive front is going to rotate.

Again, I'm not concern about the OL. Coley has to call a good game and take what Florida is giving him early and Miami has to execute efficiently. You have to take Florida out of their comfort zone and what they practice all week to execute. Morris also has to be given the latitude to audible out of a bad play call if it is going into the strength of the Florida defense.
 
this is a referendum on ACC football. Welcome to the big leagues, thUg. SEC.

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Chise I got that and love it at every other position except OL and QB, but Kehoe's history pre-dates the arrival of the Don. Again, I'll withhold judgment on that unit until we've seen the entire season and I have confidence they're going to come in and play lights out against uf - the game is just to big for them not to.

K9 I've only read your initial post in this thread, but I'd love to hear his rationale for having guys constantly rotate along the offensive line. I've never been a fan of that. And I understand your initial post to reflect Coach Kehoe's performance over the past several years rather than just last game against FAU. I think this game will be a measuring stick game, but any final verdict should probably be held until we complete the season. I agree though that our offensive line should win most of the battles in the trenches where they are not facing a box that's 8 or 9 players deep, which is exactly how I expect uf to play us until Steven shows he can beat them with his arm. I'm confident our guys up front will meet the challenge.

Bottom line, this game will be upfront, right?

A lot of people weren't happy that Kehoe was re-hired by Golden a few years ago for a myriad of reasons.

Well, the way I look at it, UM has NFL quality guys on the Oline, Florida has a lot of talent on the opposite side of the ball.

UM needs to consistently win battles in the trenches or it won't matter if they Duke Johnson or anyone else at the skill positions.

The unit coached by Arthur Francis Kehoe needs to come up big.

Watch the video of him before the fau game. It's actually The Don's philosophy to rotate as many players as possible. The Don believes it gives guys an incentive to practice hard, and it also wears down the opponent by rotating fresh bodies out there. He doesn't see why you should substitute at other positions and not at OL.
 
You make some excellent points Pentagon Cane, I will add that I'd like to play from ahead and force their QB into as many obvious passing situations as possible.

K9 I've only read your initial post in this thread, but I'd love to hear his rationale for having guys constantly rotate along the offensive line. I've never been a fan of that. And I understand your initial post to reflect Coach Kehoe's performance over the past several years rather than just last game against FAU. I think this game will be a measuring stick game, but any final verdict should probably be held until we complete the season. I agree though that our offensive line should win most of the battles in the trenches where they are not facing a box that's 8 or 9 players deep, which is exactly how I expect uf to play us until Steven shows he can beat them with his arm. I'm confident our guys up front will meet the challenge.

Bottom line, this game will be upfront, right?

A lot of people weren't happy that Kehoe was re-hired by Golden a few years ago for a myriad of reasons.

Well, the way I look at it, UM has NFL quality guys on the Oline, Florida has a lot of talent on the opposite side of the ball.

UM needs to consistently win battles in the trenches or it won't matter if they Duke Johnson or anyone else at the skill positions.

The unit coached by Arthur Francis Kehoe needs to come up big.

Benn, I actually coined the term 'the Kehoe Shuffle' years ago on CanesTime, but back then it referred more to the fact that because UM's recruiting starting to wane, that say for instance a left guard went down, instead of plugging in another LG, Kehoe was forced to move say another starter into that spot and then a backup to take the place of that starter at his position. So in essence, it was like replacing two players, almost

But yeah, honestly, for big games like this, you ride or die with your best 5. That's my philosophy. There are other games like Bethune-Cookman where you can experiment and mix and match. Continuity is so important here against a talented front like UF's.

I was never opposed to Kehoe returning. I think under the right coach he's very good. I believe he was a victim of the Coker malaise that crippled the whole program

Well, if you're playing your best 5 then that might mean moving a starting tackle to guard. Yeah, ideally you'd like to replace the injuried guard with his depth chart backup, but that may not be the better option.

In a game like Saturday, Miami better have 7 kids ready to play significant snaps. It's going to be hot and Florida's defensive front is going to rotate.

Again, I'm not concern about the OL. Coley has to call a good game and take what Florida is giving him early and Miami has to execute efficiently. You have to take Florida out of their comfort zone and what they practice all week to execute. Morris also has to be given the latitude to audible out of a bad play call if it is going into the strength of the Florida defense.
 
I think the constant change is hurting production. Pick your 2 best tackles, 2 best guards, and center and go. Use your back-up to rest starters. Just becasue a kid can play tackle and guard doesn't mean he should. Where is he better at--play him there, unless soneoen esle is better than him at that position. We seem to have 4 good tackles but only one guard. That is how Art also did it--we seldom had so many good tackles. He said that Al wanted to it the way they are doing it. Art is good soldier and happy to be back. He is not going to betray Al--not like someone we know. I'd go Flowers-Linder-Shane-"best guard we have"-Henderson.

I know no sane person who was unhappy with Art being rehired. He got can with other Cane coaches by Larry to save his own rear for another year. They were starting to break silence about how much he sucked. Vernon Hargreaves and Don Soldinger were among them. You get to see the continued cost of Coker on saturday--his son is freshmen coner for the swamp scum(like we ever had a shot at him after dad got fired). Soldinger was to running backs as Art is to Oline.

Art is doing well with the players. Only Henderson was a huge high rank recruit coming in. Individually they had all progressed and improved. The unit is the problem. The constant change and movement in the oline is one area I disagree with Al, but it is his rep and future on the line. Let's not throw Art under the bus again for another HC. The only real complaint in the day about Art--he was a little lazy in recruiting. Al certainly put an end to that. Saban is paying Mario 1/2 million for his "recruiting" skills. Art has **** of class coming in for 2014 for a lot less $$. One thing is certain, Al can't fire Art while his buddy's defense continues to leak like Mississippi flood.


I understand the thought here but I can't help but think that on Saturday with a noon blazing heat game time, this strategy will be a huge benefit over the course of the game.
 
Nupe the rotation of linemen pre-dates Golden, but it's not just about rotating linemen it's also rotating them into different positions. Like I said let's see how it plays out over the course of the season. I'm confident they'll play well Saturday.

K9 I've only read your initial post in this thread, but I'd love to hear his rationale for having guys constantly rotate along the offensive line. I've never been a fan of that. And I understand your initial post to reflect Coach Kehoe's performance over the past several years rather than just last game against FAU. I think this game will be a measuring stick game, but any final verdict should probably be held until we complete the season. I agree though that our offensive line should win most of the battles in the trenches where they are not facing a box that's 8 or 9 players deep, which is exactly how I expect uf to play us until Steven shows he can beat them with his arm. I'm confident our guys up front will meet the challenge.

Bottom line, this game will be upfront, right?

A lot of people weren't happy that Kehoe was re-hired by Golden a few years ago for a myriad of reasons.

Well, the way I look at it, UM has NFL quality guys on the Oline, Florida has a lot of talent on the opposite side of the ball.

UM needs to consistently win battles in the trenches or it won't matter if they Duke Johnson or anyone else at the skill positions.

The unit coached by Arthur Francis Kehoe needs to come up big.

Watch the video of him before the fau game. It's actually The Don's philosophy to rotate as many players as possible. The Don believes it gives guys an incentive to practice hard, and it also wears down the opponent by rotating fresh bodies out there. He doesn't see why you should substitute at other positions and not at OL.

Exactly. It is the Golden shuffle. I love Golden but can't let Art take the fal for this. For better or worse, this is part of Goldenazation.
 
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You make some excellent points Pentagon Cane, I will add that I'd like to play from ahead and force their QB into as many obvious passing situations as possible.

K9 I've only read your initial post in this thread, but I'd love to hear his rationale for having guys constantly rotate along the offensive line. I've never been a fan of that. And I understand your initial post to reflect Coach Kehoe's performance over the past several years rather than just last game against FAU. I think this game will be a measuring stick game, but any final verdict should probably be held until we complete the season. I agree though that our offensive line should win most of the battles in the trenches where they are not facing a box that's 8 or 9 players deep, which is exactly how I expect uf to play us until Steven shows he can beat them with his arm. I'm confident our guys up front will meet the challenge.

Bottom line, this game will be upfront, right?

A lot of people weren't happy that Kehoe was re-hired by Golden a few years ago for a myriad of reasons.

Well, the way I look at it, UM has NFL quality guys on the Oline, Florida has a lot of talent on the opposite side of the ball.

UM needs to consistently win battles in the trenches or it won't matter if they Duke Johnson or anyone else at the skill positions.

The unit coached by Arthur Francis Kehoe needs to come up big.

Benn, I actually coined the term 'the Kehoe Shuffle' years ago on CanesTime, but back then it referred more to the fact that because UM's recruiting starting to wane, that say for instance a left guard went down, instead of plugging in another LG, Kehoe was forced to move say another starter into that spot and then a backup to take the place of that starter at his position. So in essence, it was like replacing two players, almost

But yeah, honestly, for big games like this, you ride or die with your best 5. That's my philosophy. There are other games like Bethune-Cookman where you can experiment and mix and match. Continuity is so important here against a talented front like UF's.

I was never opposed to Kehoe returning. I think under the right coach he's very good. I believe he was a victim of the Coker malaise that crippled the whole program

Well, if you're playing your best 5 then that might mean moving a starting tackle to guard. Yeah, ideally you'd like to replace the injuried guard with his depth chart backup, but that may not be the better option.

In a game like Saturday, Miami better have 7 kids ready to play significant snaps. It's going to be hot and Florida's defensive front is going to rotate.

Again, I'm not concern about the OL. Coley has to call a good game and take what Florida is giving him early and Miami has to execute efficiently. You have to take Florida out of their comfort zone and what they practice all week to execute. Morris also has to be given the latitude to audible out of a bad play call if it is going into the strength of the Florida defense.

Miami has a huge advantage at tight end. I'd like to see two-tight end sets. I'd also like to see tight ends running dig and seam routes. I run a least one wheel route to Hagens who will be the forgotten guy. I'd also want to get either Johnson involved in the passing game from the tailback position not the slot. Florida will want to take away Miami's wideouts.
 
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There were a few bad beats last week (Bunche specifically) and Flowers got off balance a few times, but on the whole, the OL did really well. But they need to be a lot more consistent this week, backside cuts need to be more effective and the playside guard on the power plays needs to do A LOT better job preventing penetration.


Good stuff

I noticed that oftentimes an ineffective cut block was the cause of some pressure or problems in the FAU game. They definitely need to prioritize cut blocking effectively. I wouldn't be shocked if they had limited practice cutblocking on actual DL during camp. Most coaches want to limit cutblocking on teammates in practice to a minimum. Hopefully it will look better this week after a week of going up against an actual opponent under belt
 
There were a few bad beats last week (Bunche specifically) and Flowers got off balance a few times, but on the whole, the OL did really well. But they need to be a lot more consistent this week, backside cuts need to be more effective and the playside guard on the power plays needs to do A LOT better job preventing penetration. There were at least 3 power plays (including the 4th and short on the first drive) where the pulling guard didn't even get to the hole because he cut up early because the playside guard got blown up, and then the guy he was supposed to block made the tackle in the hole. Henderson, Feliciano, McDermott and Wheeler did really well, Linder was good but not great, and Bunche and Flowers struggled some.

Also, just random note, Duke needs to follow the freaking fullback, few plays Hagens went outside and Duke cut it up too early and Hagens ended up outside with no one to block while Duke got taken down after a few yards. Nitpicking, but left some yards on the field.

Unless I was watching another game or just plain forgot, it was the backside defensive tackle who made the play comeing through the pulling guard's vacated hole. That's an easy down block that was missed.

BTW, on the Edward's 4th down play that was on the true freshman. Whether they reviewed it or not, it is irrelevant. If Edward's gets below pad level, then he carries that guy into the end zone. Even if it's FAU you can't run high like that at the Division 1 level. This ain't high school son.

Agree with your other points.
 
The 4th and 1 was blown up because McDermott whiffed on the nose tackle

even then, they screwed Duke on the spot
 
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That Randy team with Stoutland coaching OL was a penalty machine. False starts all day....especially towards the end of Radios tenure.
 
Not a fan of Kehoe. With the size and experience of this o-line they should not struggle in short yardage running situations as often as they did last year and as they did against FAU last weekend. We'll be better off when he's gone, IMO.
 
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There were a few bad beats last week (Bunche specifically) and Flowers got off balance a few times, but on the whole, the OL did really well. But they need to be a lot more consistent this week, backside cuts need to be more effective and the playside guard on the power plays needs to do A LOT better job preventing penetration. There were at least 3 power plays (including the 4th and short on the first drive) where the pulling guard didn't even get to the hole because he cut up early because the playside guard got blown up, and then the guy he was supposed to block made the tackle in the hole. Henderson, Feliciano, McDermott and Wheeler did really well, Linder was good but not great, and Bunche and Flowers struggled some.

Also, just random note, Duke needs to follow the freaking fullback, few plays Hagens went outside and Duke cut it up too early and Hagens ended up outside with no one to block while Duke got taken down after a few yards. Nitpicking, but left some yards on the field.

Unless I was watching another game or just plain forgot, it was the backside defensive tackle who made the play comeing through the pulling guard's vacated hole. That's an easy down block that was missed.

BTW, on the Edward's 4th down play that was on the true freshman. Whether they reviewed it or not, it is irrelevant. If Edward's gets below pad level, then he carries that guy into the end zone. Even if it's FAU you can't run high like that at the Division 1 level. This ain't high school son.

Agree with your other points.

i keep seeing it said but on tht 4th and one play......who really nixed that play is the got **** center.....Mcdermott is suppose to block back but was to slow or took a bad angle...ummm he better not do that this week as Easley is the fastest out of a stance that we will see all year. I seen him blow up a 4th and one on toledo so **** bad over the center they thought it was an encroachment..but dude just timed it so well he just knocked the center into the qb and mucked it all up.

He's the guy i take off of UF'S defense over ANYONE..even their supposed all world secondary.
 
I don't think the problem is pass pro i think it's run blocking. Last year they played fsu dline that had werner and tank both with 10+ sacks and jernigan had 4-4 1/2 sacks. They did a good **** job and henderson dominated werner. Notre dame had 2 guys with 10 sacks too and they blocked well. The guy i think they will strugle with is easley uf has bigger de's and our tackles does well against bigger de's.

The oline does pretty well in pass protection. They are weak at run blocking. We should have been able to pound it easy inside the 10 for that last score. We also should have got that 4th and 1 easy. Our record may have been quite a bit different last year if we could have ran out the clock with the ball by running for multiple first downs. Virginia game comes to mind.
 
ummm he better not do that this week as Easley is the fastest out of a stance that we will see all year. I seen him blow up a 4th and one on toledo so **** bad over the center they thought it was an encroachment..but dude just timed it so well he just knocked the center into the qb and mucked it all up.

He's the guy i take off of UF'S defense over ANYONE..even their supposed all world secondary.

Yeah Easley was nasty on that play. I actually rewatched it, pausing frame by frame and he clearly jumped the count and was already in the neutral zone when the ball was snapped, but it was so **** close that they couldn't (or just didn't) call it. He definitely is explosive out of that stance and that is going to be a challenge I'm worried about for our OL - particularly McDermott when he is lined up at nose. But, that is also opportunity to bait them into free yardage through penalties. I'm a little worried that our shotgun protocol where the guard taps the center to snap it will give Easley a great basis for timing the snap
 
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