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Gatorhater said:
I think the constant change is hurting production. Pick your 2 best tackles, 2 best guards, and center and go. Use your back-up to rest starters. Just becasue a kid can play tackle and guard doesn't mean he should. Where is he better at--play him there, unless soneoen esle is better than him at that position. We seem to have 4 good tackles but only one guard. That is how Art also did it--we seldom had so many good tackles. He said that Al wanted to it the way they are doing it. Art is good soldier and happy to be back. He is not going to betray Al--not like someone we know. I'd go Flowers-Linder-Shane-"best guard we have"-Henderson.

I know no sane person who was unhappy with Art being rehired. He got can with other Cane coaches by Larry to save his own rear for another year. They were starting to break silence about how much he sucked. Vernon Hargreaves and Don Soldinger were among them. You get to see the continued cost of Coker on saturday--his son is freshmen coner for the swamp scum(like we ever had a shot at him after dad got fired). Soldinger was to running backs as Art is to Oline.

Art is doing well with the players. Only Henderson was a huge high rank recruit coming in. Individually they had all progressed and improved. The unit is the problem. The constant change and movement in the oline is one area I disagree with Al, but it is his rep and future on the line. Let's not throw Art under the bus again for another HC. The only real complaint in the day about Art--he was a little lazy in recruiting. Al certainly put an end to that. Saban is paying Mario 1/2 million for his "recruiting" skills. Art has **** of class coming in for 2014 for a lot less $$. One thing is certain, Al can't fire Art while his buddy's defense continues to leak like Mississippi flood.
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Not a fan of the Kehoe Shuffle. I think we'll see the best 5( in terms of playing together as a unit) play the majority of snaps on Saturday
 
Hopefully they came out of FAU with a top 5 they want to focus on during practice this week.

If the Kehoe shuffle happens in fall camp and against the first cupcake, then ends when the opponent gets real, I don't have an issue. We can go back to shuffling during the bye week/savannah st/usf.
 
This is ridiculous nonsense. Kehoe and his OL will prove to be a strength of the team and key factor in taking down the Gators. You gotta believe, folks.
 
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I don't think the problem is pass pro i think it's run blocking. Last year they played fsu dline that had werner and tank both with 10+ sacks and jernigan had 4-4 1/2 sacks. They did a good **** job and henderson dominated werner. Notre dame had 2 guys with 10 sacks too and they blocked well. The guy i think they will strugle with is easley uf has bigger de's and our tackles does well against bigger de's.
 
252cane said:
I don't think the problem is pass pro i think it's run blocking. Last year they played fsu dline that had werner and tank both with 10+ sacks and jernigan had 4-4 1/2 sacks. They did a good **** job and henderson dominated werner. Notre dame had 2 guys with 10 sacks too and they blocked well. The guy i think they will strugle with is easley uf has bigger de's and our tackles does well against bigger de's.
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I think this is the type of game where Henderson can make a lot of money. Again, I think this is our best Oline in a loooooong time. It's imperative that they play well. I don't think they are overmatched against any Dline at this level( but maybe that just me with my orange and green glasses on)
 
K9 I've only read your initial post in this thread, but I'd love to hear his rationale for having guys constantly rotate along the offensive line. I've never been a fan of that. And I understand your initial post to reflect Coach Kehoe's performance over the past several years rather than just last game against FAU. I think this game will be a measuring stick game, but any final verdict should probably be held until we complete the season. I agree though that our offensive line should win most of the battles in the trenches where they are not facing a box that's 8 or 9 players deep, which is exactly how I expect uf to play us until Steven shows he can beat them with his arm. I'm confident our guys up front will meet the challenge.

k9cane said:
Bottom line, this game will be upfront, right?

A lot of people weren't happy that Kehoe was re-hired by Golden a few years ago for a myriad of reasons.

Well, the way I look at it, UM has NFL quality guys on the Oline, Florida has a lot of talent on the opposite side of the ball.

UM needs to consistently win battles in the trenches or it won't matter if they Duke Johnson or anyone else at the skill positions.

The unit coached by Arthur Francis Kehoe needs to come up big.
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WildcatDefense said:
Picksix said:
Stoutland was picked up by Saban and has a ring with Bama and is now in the NFL and our O-lines sucked *** under him. Kehoe produced excellent O-lines during his time at Miami and there's a reason brought him back on with the Miami program. Not worried at all with Kehoe as the O-line coach at Miami.
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Our OL didn't suck under Stoutland at all. They finished as one of the top rushing offenses in school history.

People were screaming for Stoutland's head for the same reason they're screaming for Kehoe's today.
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We seemed to get a lot more false starts and holding calls under Stoutland. I think Kehoe has been better in that regard.
 
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Bennubird said:
K9 I've only read your initial post in this thread, but I'd love to hear his rationale for having guys constantly rotate along the offensive line. I've never been a fan of that. And I understand your initial post to reflect Coach Kehoe's performance over the past several years rather than just last game against FAU. I think this game will be a measuring stick game, but any final verdict should probably be held until we complete the season. I agree though that our offensive line should win most of the battles in the trenches where they are not facing a box that's 8 or 9 players deep, which is exactly how I expect uf to play us until Steven shows he can beat them with his arm. I'm confident our guys up front will meet the challenge.

k9cane said:
Bottom line, this game will be upfront, right?

A lot of people weren't happy that Kehoe was re-hired by Golden a few years ago for a myriad of reasons.

Well, the way I look at it, UM has NFL quality guys on the Oline, Florida has a lot of talent on the opposite side of the ball.

UM needs to consistently win battles in the trenches or it won't matter if they Duke Johnson or anyone else at the skill positions.

The unit coached by Arthur Francis Kehoe needs to come up big.
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Watch the video of him before the fau game. It's actually The Don's philosophy to rotate as many players as possible. The Don believes it gives guys an incentive to practice hard, and it also wears down the opponent by rotating fresh bodies out there. He doesn't see why you should substitute at other positions and not at OL.
 
They know how much is riding on this game, and how it's really up to them. All of these guys have had Saturday marked on their calendars since last year. They show up against a DLine like Florida's, and they know they're going to get more eyes on them from NFL scouts. They'll be ready, and they sure as **** have a lot more riding on it than any guys they'll face across the line of scrimmage this Saturday.
 
Bennubird said:
K9 I've only read your initial post in this thread, but I'd love to hear his rationale for having guys constantly rotate along the offensive line. I've never been a fan of that. And I understand your initial post to reflect Coach Kehoe's performance over the past several years rather than just last game against FAU. I think this game will be a measuring stick game, but any final verdict should probably be held until we complete the season. I agree though that our offensive line should win most of the battles in the trenches where they are not facing a box that's 8 or 9 players deep, which is exactly how I expect uf to play us until Steven shows he can beat them with his arm. I'm confident our guys up front will meet the challenge.

k9cane said:
Bottom line, this game will be upfront, right?

A lot of people weren't happy that Kehoe was re-hired by Golden a few years ago for a myriad of reasons.

Well, the way I look at it, UM has NFL quality guys on the Oline, Florida has a lot of talent on the opposite side of the ball.

UM needs to consistently win battles in the trenches or it won't matter if they Duke Johnson or anyone else at the skill positions.

The unit coached by Arthur Francis Kehoe needs to come up big.
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Benn, I actually coined the term 'the Kehoe Shuffle' years ago on CanesTime, but back then it referred more to the fact that because UM's recruiting starting to wane, that say for instance a left guard went down, instead of plugging in another LG, Kehoe was forced to move say another starter into that spot and then a backup to take the place of that starter at his position. So in essence, it was like replacing two players, almost

But yeah, honestly, for big games like this, you ride or die with your best 5. That's my philosophy. There are other games like Bethune-Cookman where you can experiment and mix and match. Continuity is so important here against a talented front like UF's.

I was never opposed to Kehoe returning. I think under the right coach he's very good. I believe he was a victim of the Coker malaise that crippled the whole program
 
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k9cane said:
Bennubird said:
K9 I've only read your initial post in this thread, but I'd love to hear his rationale for having guys constantly rotate along the offensive line. I've never been a fan of that. And I understand your initial post to reflect Coach Kehoe's performance over the past several years rather than just last game against FAU. I think this game will be a measuring stick game, but any final verdict should probably be held until we complete the season. I agree though that our offensive line should win most of the battles in the trenches where they are not facing a box that's 8 or 9 players deep, which is exactly how I expect uf to play us until Steven shows he can beat them with his arm. I'm confident our guys up front will meet the challenge.

k9cane said:
Bottom line, this game will be upfront, right?

A lot of people weren't happy that Kehoe was re-hired by Golden a few years ago for a myriad of reasons.

Well, the way I look at it, UM has NFL quality guys on the Oline, Florida has a lot of talent on the opposite side of the ball.

UM needs to consistently win battles in the trenches or it won't matter if they Duke Johnson or anyone else at the skill positions.

The unit coached by Arthur Francis Kehoe needs to come up big.
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Benn, I actually coined the term 'the Kehoe Shuffle' years ago on CanesTime, but back then it referred more to the fact that because UM's recruiting starting to wane, that say for instance a left guard went down, instead of plugging in another LG, Kehoe was forced to move say another starter into that spot and then a backup to take the place of that starter at his position. So in essence, it was like replacing two players, almost

But yeah, honestly, for big games like this, you ride or die with your best 5. That's my philosophy. There are other games like Bethune-Cookman where you can experiment and mix and match. Continuity is so important here against a talented front like UF's.

I was never opposed to Kehoe returning. I think under the right coach he's very good. I believe he was a victim of the Coker malaise that crippled the whole program
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I tend to agree with you, I want to see the top 5 get a chance to get into a rythm and play the whole game. They need to have the conditioning to do that.
 
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The Franchise said:
Hegemon said:
Apparently our OL sucked last game and yet we had 500 yards of total offense and 300 on the ground. Doesn't make sense to me.

That and we were 2 dropped TD's away from a blowout in the 1st quarter.

Personally I would be surprised if our unit didn't hold their own this game. I like our OL.

Play mean. They'll be ready for it this game. It's UF. FAU was a warmup.
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Seems like, according to the internets, that our OL sucked last week despite all those yards and despite the fact that we could have named the score if we didn't empty the bench and take the air out of the ball in the third quarter.

Kehoe will have his charges breathing fire this Saturday. There will be a lot more that determines whether we win or lose aside from Kehoe.
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I don't know if our OL "sucked" last week, but it wasn't their cleanest performance.

The good: 300 yards is awesome. An obvious commitment to the run is awesome. Duke is a monster. Gus Edwards showed some ability. Feliciano looks like he has the full trust of the coaches. Lots of guys got looks at different spots, so it was like a practice.

The questionable: 60 of those yards came from a gadget play, so I'm not sure how that can be projected going forward. Objectively, we did struggle in short yardage. Apparently, Golden himself said some of them went back to old habits and bad blocking angles. Whatever they did, they did it against a veritable scout team, so again that makes anyone wonder how it'll carry over. Lots of guys got looks at different spots, so was that for trial or something we're going to do throughout the year?

I don't think this game is a referendum on Art Kehoe. I just think it's the first chance to rate James Coley.
 
I do think FAU's smallish defensive line gave us trouble since our guys are fairly tall and used to blocking other guys that are fairly tall. Clearly you can smash a smallish defensive line, but they will occasionally slip by you and make you look like ****.
 
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