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Is the ACC a goner?

UM58 said:
Miami needs to be in the sec. Their fans will fill the stadium. Makes sense geographically obviously as well. Miami would also benefit greatly in recruiting imo.
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The SEC doesnt want us (they believe they already have the Florida TV market because of UFAG) and its unlikely Donna wants the SEC anyway.
 
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GoldenShowertheGators said:
WTF happened?! A few weeks ago, with this whole ND crap it looked like we'd definitely be one of the big 4 and now we are fighting to stay together?? No other conference makes sense for us academically or culturally. If everyone jumps ship where the f do we go? I guess it would have to be B1G or BIG 12 but I'm pretty sure we'd still stay with FSU no?
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Anything can obviously happen, but FSU is a better fit for the B12 than we are, and we are actually a good fit for the B1G (academically) plus they have much better payouts than the ACC or B12. Remember this is all about TV sets. In my scenario above, each of big 3 Florida schools are in a different conference.
 
I think it's a matter of time before half the ACC (at least) is in a different conference. The exit fees are never fully paid, and there's so much money to be made nobody worries too much about them. The thing that will prevent it is if the cable companies start selling channels a la carte, and the conference channels don't have a market. But since a lot of these cable companies own their own network and don't have any incentive to change their business model, that might not work.
 
The Rumors I keep hearing are..
GTECH and UVA to The BIG10, if this happens, FSU and Clemson are headed to the Big12.

The local Orlando hacks are talking about "UCF and USF should be the next targets for ACC"----uh...No Thanks!.

We better be ready with an escape plan!
 
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drew4524 said:
And one more Rumor..

UNC will not budge if Duke is not coming with..
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Really?

One thing I haven't seen anyone talk about are the states with 2 public schools; I don't know if the conference realignments have gotten too big for this, but remember when we were originally leaving the ACC? At first VT was not going to go, but the governor of VA told UVA he would cut funding if they didn't take VT instead of Syracuse. Any chance we see something like that again with either UVA/VT or UNC/NCSTATE? Maybe other schools in other conferences too? UGA if the SEC tried to take ACC schools that would ***** over GT? South Carolina with Clemson? UF/FSU?
 
Shogungts said:
drew4524 said:
And one more Rumor..

UNC will not budge if Duke is not coming with..
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Really?

One thing I haven't seen anyone talk about are the states with 2 public schools; I don't know if the conference realignments have gotten too big for this, but remember when we were originally leaving the ACC? At first VT was not going to go, but the governor of VA told UVA he would cut funding if they didn't take VT instead of Syracuse. Any chance we see something like that again with either UVA/VT or UNC/NCSTATE? Maybe other schools in other conferences too? UGA if the SEC tried to take ACC schools that would ***** over GT? South Carolina with Clemson? UF/FSU?
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Good question. My sense is, conference realignment has gotten too big for the VT/UVA situation to happen again. Also, you generally want the state schools in different conferences (UGA/GT, Clemson/USC) so that both conferences have TV in that state.

Duke and UNC are basketball schools, and dont really bring a huge market with them. I could see the SEC or the B12 taking NCST.

Clemson and FSU to the Big 12, and VT and NCST to the SEC. The big question is who the B1G takes. Big state schools that are geographically close, or the bigger TV markets, such as Miami and Atlanta. Usually, money wins out.
 
GoldenShowertheGators said:
WTF happened?! A few weeks ago, with this whole ND crap it looked like we'd definitely be one of the big 4 and now we are fighting to stay together?? No other conference makes sense for us academically or culturally. If everyone jumps ship where the f do we go? I guess it would have to be B1G or BIG 12 but I'm pretty sure we'd still stay with FSU no?
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Maryland left, that is it.
 
Maryland left but we're adding Syracue, Pitt and ND in all sports but football and the ACC is in jeopardy?

I don't think so.
 
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SpikeUM said:
VTDante said:
ESPN Radio in Columbus reported 30 minutes ago UVA will be the next member of Big Ten with UNC to follow.
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I do believe Maryland leaving is a bellweather for future trouble for the ACC. Remember, we are moving towards FOUR 16 team super leagues. FSU and Clemson to the Big 12 makes a lot of sense for both parties. The SEC can do better than VT and NCST (raiding the Big 12 again?). The Big 10 is the big prize for Miami. I hope we end up there.
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If this happens do the four super conferences tell the NCAA to kiss their collective asses and start their own regulatory body?
 
SpikeUM said:
GoldenShowertheGators said:
WTF happened?! A few weeks ago, with this whole ND crap it looked like we'd definitely be one of the big 4 and now we are fighting to stay together?? No other conference makes sense for us academically or culturally. If everyone jumps ship where the f do we go? I guess it would have to be B1G or BIG 12 but I'm pretty sure we'd still stay with FSU no?
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Anything can obviously happen, but FSU is a better fit for the B12 than we are, and we are actually a good fit for the B1G (academically) plus they have much better payouts than the ACC or B12. Remember this is all about TV sets. In my scenario above, each of big 3 Florida schools are in a different conference.
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We may fit the Big 10 better academically but, if Orlando temps were too cold for us ...
 
The two schools that are tied together are UNC and UVA. It does it make it politically easier for them if NCST and VT go to the SEC. Fortunately for us our brand is still strong, and as importantly every school in America wants visibility into South Florida. We will not get left behind, most likely we'll end up in the Big 12. Here is what I'd project:

UNC and UVA to the Big Ten
NCST and VT to the SEC
FSU, Miami, Clemson, GT, BC, and Syracuse or Pitt to the Big 12
Wake, Duke, Pitt or Cuse to some compilation of the Big East and ACC.

The only way the ACC survives is to add UCONN and poach two solid programs from other schools. That seems like a real longshot to me.
 
3FW said:
The two schools that are tied together are UNC and UVA. It does it make it politically easier for them if NCST and VT go to the SEC. Fortunately for us our brand is still strong, and as importantly every school in America wants visibility into South Florida. We will not get left behind, most likely we'll end up in the Big 12. Here is what I'd project:

UNC and UVA to the Big Ten
NCST and VT to the SEC
FSU, Miami, Clemson, GT, BC, and Syracuse or Pitt to the Big 12
Wake, Duke, Pitt or Cuse to some compilation of the Big East and ACC.

The only way the ACC survives is to add UCONN and poach two solid programs from other schools. That seems like a real longshot to me.
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I agree. I see FSU and Clemson being the big prizes obviously right now in the ACC and the Big 12 is looking for big programs to pull in. That said I hope Miami goes big 12. Big 10 weather is to cold and I dont see miami fitting in with them in their football philosophies. While I could see VaTech in the SEC as a real possibility I don’t know if they want to get thrown in to a conference where they may not be able to dominate the way they have the ACC so I could see them heading to the Bog 12 as well. I don’t BC getting raided since they really don’t have much to offer and could only tag along if one school makes it a we go together or we don’t go at all type thing. Also Notre Dame could at that point be forced to a conference and could be a wild card pick up by any major conference but I see them more in the Big 10.

I can see the Big 12 set up as:
One division:
Kansas State
Kansas
Oklahoma
Oklahoma State
Baylor
Iowa State
FSU
Clemson

Second Division:
Texas
Texas Tech
West Virginia
TCU
Miami
Virginia Tech/Syracuse/Pitt
Georgia Tech

With inter division games such as FSU Miami, Texas Oklahoma and so forth continuing and possibly leading to rematches in the conference championship game.

Obviously this is all speculation but I think that this move would for sure be a smart football move and while it may not fit academically Miami has to realize that sports programs bring in a ton of money and publicity and will not hurt the academic side as much.
 
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UM58 said:
Miami needs to be in the sec. Their fans will fill the stadium. Makes sense geographically obviously as well. Miami would also benefit greatly in recruiting imo.
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UF will never approve not to mention any of the other schools that love to poach talent from here. were also not a traditional SEC school. UF barely is one, as well. the rest of the sec hates them bc theyre not as traditional as normal SEC schools. we wouldnt do it for academic reasons, as well.
 
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Hurrisaints said:
3FW said:
The two schools that are tied together are UNC and UVA. It does it make it politically easier for them if NCST and VT go to the SEC. Fortunately for us our brand is still strong, and as importantly every school in America wants visibility into South Florida. We will not get left behind, most likely we'll end up in the Big 12. Here is what I'd project:

UNC and UVA to the Big Ten
NCST and VT to the SEC
FSU, Miami, Clemson, GT, BC, and Syracuse or Pitt to the Big 12
Wake, Duke, Pitt or Cuse to some compilation of the Big East and ACC.

The only way the ACC survives is to add UCONN and poach two solid programs from other schools. That seems like a real longshot to me.
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I agree. I see FSU and Clemson being the big prizes obviously right now in the ACC and the Big 12 is looking for big programs to pull in. That said I hope Miami goes big 12. Big 10 weather is to cold and I dont see miami fitting in with them in their football philosophies. While I could see VaTech in the SEC as a real possibility I don’t know if they want to get thrown in to a conference where they may not be able to dominate the way they have the ACC so I could see them heading to the Bog 12 as well. I don’t BC getting raided since they really don’t have much to offer and could only tag along if one school makes it a we go together or we don’t go at all type thing. Also Notre Dame could at that point be forced to a conference and could be a wild card pick up by any major conference but I see them more in the Big 10.

I can see the Big 12 set up as:
One division:
Kansas State
Kansas
Oklahoma
Oklahoma State
Baylor
Iowa State
FSU
Clemson

Second Division:
Texas
Texas Tech
West Virginia
TCU
Miami
Virginia Tech/Syracuse/Pitt
Georgia Tech

With inter division games such as FSU Miami, Texas Oklahoma and so forth continuing and possibly leading to rematches in the conference championship game.

Obviously this is all speculation but I think that this move would for sure be a smart football move and while it may not fit academically Miami has to realize that sports programs bring in a ton of money and publicity and will not hurt the academic side as much.
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not bad the only thing i would say is before we jump ship, i just hope we win the ACC. at least we would be able to say that we did conquer the ACC before leaving.
 
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All this being said the ACC buyout is a cool $50mil which is hard for the private schools and even the smaller state schools. If any moves happen it has to come as a complete destruction of the ACC or a partial buyout by one conference which would be precedent setting or it would occur on the heals of a major television contract which would help offset the cost of the buyout.
 
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